Fatigue on subs and ships

[Bella]

Playing as Allied against AI, I’m noticing that some of my subs have become far less effective/productive, I.e. sinking way less ships and missing ships often when attacking. It’s July ‘42. They have plenty of torpedoes. I wondered if there was a fatigue factor built in I haven’t noticed before, as some of them have been at sea for a few months. But checking the info screen for each sub, I don’t see a number for fatigue.

Is this a thing?

[Chris21wen]

Playing as Allied against AI, I’m noticing that some of my subs have become far less effective/productive, I.e. sinking way less ships and missing ships often when attacking. It’s July ‘42. They have plenty of torpedoes. I wondered if there was a fatigue factor built in I haven’t noticed before, as some of them have been at sea for a few months. But checking the info screen for each sub, I don’t see a number for fatigue.

Is this a thing?

No. There are number of possible reasons which include, no targets, luck, leader, weather etc etc. You may not be aware but if a sub is known to be in the area the AI will route around it if that is possible.

[Platoonist]

Is this a thing?

I've often wished it was a thing. It would enhance realism for a ship's crew to lose effectiveness over time without a break.

[btd64]

Don't forget the torpedoes high dud rate early in the game....GP

[RangerJoe]

Don't forget the high dud rate early in the game....GP

And that is just the commanders and not even the torpedoes!

[Bella]

Playing as Allied against AI, I’m noticing that some of my subs have become far less effective/productive, I.e. sinking way less ships and missing ships often when attacking. It’s July ‘42. They have plenty of torpedoes. I wondered if there was a fatigue factor built in I haven’t noticed before, as some of them have been at sea for a few months. But checking the info screen for each sub, I don’t see a number for fatigue.

Is this a thing?

No. There are number of possible reasons which include, no targets, luck, leader, weather etc etc. You may not be aware but if a sub is known to be in the area the AI will route around it if that is possible.

Yup, I know about the sub being spotted thing, keep shifting them around if they are detected/spotted. Might just be a cold spell, probability speaking. Only been three turns, but maddening when attack after attack yields nothing.

[RangerJoe]

Playing as Allied against AI, I’m noticing that some of my subs have become far less effective/productive, I.e. sinking way less ships and missing ships often when attacking. It’s July ‘42. They have plenty of torpedoes. I wondered if there was a fatigue factor built in I haven’t noticed before, as some of them have been at sea for a few months. But checking the info screen for each sub, I don’t see a number for fatigue.

Is this a thing?

No. There are number of possible reasons which include, no targets, luck, leader, weather etc etc. You may not be aware but if a sub is known to be in the area the AI will route around it if that is possible.

Yup, I know about the sub being spotted thing, keep shifting them around if they are detected/spotted. Might just be a cold spell, probability speaking. Only been three turns, but maddening when attack after attack yields nothing.

What is the dud rate for the Mark 14 torpedoes at this time? How good are your submarine captains?

[Bella]

No. There are number of possible reasons which include, no targets, luck, leader, weather etc etc. You may not be aware but if a sub is known to be in the area the AI will route around it if that is possible.

Yup, I know about the sub being spotted thing, keep shifting them around if they are detected/spotted. Might just be a cold spell, probability speaking. Only been three turns, but maddening when attack after attack yields nothing.

What is the dud rate for the Mark 14 torpedoes at this time? How good are your submarine captains?

The issue is that I was sinking 2-4 ships a day. Now I’m lucky to get one hit a turn.

[Sardaukar]

IJN ASW gets better year by year.

USN "happy days" in game are 1943, when Mk 14 dud rate goes down to 60% and in September to 10%.

Also, more your subs are in contact with IJN ships, both gain experience. Same with their ASW planes.

[Sardaukar]

To add (and to pad my post count on out way to 1 million posts on forum), I always try to change sub skippers yo best available.

- best naval skill with one caveat

- don't put high aggression skippers into low experience subs (I think in my current game O'Kane (aggr. 90) has lost at least one sub, maybe 2, but he still survived to command next...).

- as above, aggressiveness 50-60 is ok, often even as low as 35, since they tend to live longer...which is good for skill advancement of sub crew (day/night). 60+ crew skills is good, 70+ very good, 80 absolute elite).

[Bella]

To add (and to pad my post count on out way to 1 million posts on forum), I always try to change sub skippers yo best available.

- best naval skill with one caveat

- don't put high aggression skippers into low experience subs (I think in my current game O'Kane (aggr. 90) has lost at least one sub, maybe 2, but he still survived to command next...).

- as above, aggressiveness 50-60 is ok, often even as low as 35, since they tend to live longer...which is good for skill advancement of sub crew (day/night). 60+ crew skills is good, 70+ very good, 80 absolute elite).

Interesting. I’ll look into that.

[Sardaukar]

To add (and to pad my post count on out way to 1 million posts on forum), I always try to change sub skippers yo best available.

- best naval skill with one caveat

- don't put high aggression skippers into low experience subs (I think in my current game O'Kane (aggr. 90) has lost at least one sub, maybe 2, but he still survived to command next...).

- as above, aggressiveness 50-60 is ok, often even as low as 35, since they tend to live longer...which is good for skill advancement of sub crew (day/night). 60+ crew skills is good, 70+ very good, 80 absolute elite).

Interesting. I’ll look into that.

If they are super-aggressive (80+) as some are, they tend to make unwise decisions like attack more on surface etc. and often pay the price when crew is just 55/55.

[btd64]

To add (and to pad my post count on out way to 1 million posts on forum), I always try to change sub skippers yo best available.

- best naval skill with one caveat

- don't put high aggression skippers into low experience subs (I think in my current game O'Kane (aggr. 90) has lost at least one sub, maybe 2, but he still survived to command next...).

- as above, aggressiveness 50-60 is ok, often even as low as 35, since they tend to live longer...which is good for skill advancement of sub crew (day/night). 60+ crew skills is good, 70+ very good, 80 absolute elite).

Interesting. I’ll look into that.

If they are super-aggressive (80+) as some are, they tend to make unwise decisions like attack more on surface etc. and often pay the price when crew is just 55/55.

Prime example of forgetting more than you know about this game. I now remember this info from years back. Thanks Sardaukar ....GP

[GivingUpTheGhost]

To add (and to pad my post count on out way to 1 million posts on forum), I always try to change sub skippers yo best available.

- best naval skill with one caveat

- don't put high aggression skippers into low experience subs (I think in my current game O'Kane (aggr. 90) has lost at least one sub, maybe 2, but he still survived to command next...).

- as above, aggressiveness 50-60 is ok, often even as low as 35, since they tend to live longer...which is good for skill advancement of sub crew (day/night). 60+ crew skills is good, 70+ very good, 80 absolute elite).

Interesting. I’ll look into that.

If they are super-aggressive (80+) as some are, they tend to make unwise decisions like attack more on surface etc. and often pay the price when crew is just 55/55.

I've never really thought about this before. I've always selected for aggression. Good to know

[Sardaukar]

Interesting. I’ll look into that.

If they are super-aggressive (80+) as some are, they tend to make unwise decisions like attack more on surface etc. and often pay the price when crew is just 55/55.

I've never really thought about this before. I've always selected for aggression. Good to know

Should always primarily select for naval skill, bit less aggressiveness keeps subs alive.