[1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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boogabooga
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[1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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The rate of fire is not being respected. I've seen this so far with SAMs and AAMs, but it probably affects all weapon types.

In the attached scenarios, each F-15 is set to fire 2 rounds per salvo. Notice that each fires both AIM-120s at the exact same time. Each icon really represents two missiles, which you can see if you click on it:
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I think we had this same bug a year or so ago?
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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"each F-15 is set to fire 2 rounds per salvo. Notice that each fires both AIM-120s at the exact same time."

Based on what you write the behavior is consistent with the imperative, no?
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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Knightpawn wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 12:42 pm "each F-15 is set to fire 2 rounds per salvo. Notice that each fires both AIM-120s at the exact same time."

Based on what you write the behavior is consistent with the imperative, no?
Not quite. The problem is the rate of fire.

Usually, the missiles are supposed to be separated by about a 5 second delay between the shots.
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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boogabooga wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 6:10 pm
Not quite. The problem is the rate of fire.

Usually, the missiles are supposed to be separated by about a 5 second delay between the shots.
I am unaware of standard procedure, but if a pilot believes that a specific type of threat deserves two Fox-3 (and to my understanding this is what the missiles per salvo doctrine represents), why necessarily wait for five seconds if they can be fired at shorter intervals (can't they?)
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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Knightpawn wrote: Sun May 11, 2025 6:55 pm I am unaware of standard procedure, but if a pilot believes that a specific type of threat deserves two Fox-3 (and to my understanding this is what the missiles per salvo doctrine represents), why necessarily wait for five seconds if they can be fired at shorter intervals (can't they?)
For the last 6 or so years that I've used CMANO/CMO, it has been normal that an ROF is enforced between successive shots.

I wasn't necessarily addressing the "real-world" implications, but I would suspect that there is a risk of munitions interfering with each other, etc. if the are launched too close together.
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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Some related info. Answers posted at Quora for this question:

How common is "double missile launching" for fighter pilots? Firing two missiles at the same time?

https://www.quora.com/How-common-is-dou ... -same-time
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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Did this get logged?
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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Yes, logged 0016742
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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Fixed for the next update release.
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Re: [FIXED][1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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As of 1676, it seems fixed with AAMs, but not fixed with other types such as SSMs.
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Re: [FIXED][1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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Can we see an example? The OP example was specifically for weapons launched from aircraft loadouts.
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Re: [1645] ROF Not Being Followed

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Dimitris wrote: Sun Jul 06, 2025 3:26 pm Can we see an example? The OP example was specifically for weapons launched from aircraft loadouts.
Alright, here you go.

Still an issue in 1706.

I think SAMs might be affected as well
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