TOAW COW

[wodin]

I played East Front and West Front many moons ago. Infact I bought both on their release dates.

I never played TOAW though. I havent bothered buying it either as I believed it wouldnt work on XP. However a birdy told me you can get TOAW COW to work by using win98 compatibility,

Im really after a game which covers WW1 and as this does can anyone tell me were I can purchase this game that isnt Ebay and is in the UK?

Thankyou

Jason

[Hexed Gamer]

Wodin, finding ANY location that has it on sale will not be an easy one.

I found this source for you though, I also think they are a good supplier too.

http://www.navalwarfare.org/build/store.php

(grrr getting the specific page to give me a link is driving me nuts )

Search under the turn based games and just scroll down till you see it,

They have it listing at 49 US which is about what it was selling for when last it was even aknowledged by its owners at Take2.

Oh, and it runs fine without screwing around on my XP using computer, win compatibility was not required.

[Dirtdog20]

Wodin, it runs fine with me on XP. You can get it direct from Take Two store but, I would use the link above as Take two has not supported any Talonsoft games they inherited from the merger. [:@] There is a WW1 PBEM scenario out there and several Balkan Wars (pre 1914) scenarios. If you are interested we can both get the scenario and bash eachothers brains a bit. PS make sure you get TOAW-COW for 49$ That covers everything from 1900 to today.

[ravinhood]

Booooo, I have TOAW Elite, how unfair is that, that I have to spend an additional $49 to be able to play the same game??? PATCH TOAW ELITE to work with XP please.

[Pippin]

I have TOAW Elite and also can not play it on XP. So its been sitting there collecting dust for ages, what a waste.

P.S. I lost a lot of respect for Talonsoft a few years ago... there are many reasons for this.

[String]

you could use emulators?

[wodin]

What are people view on TOAW?

How does it compare to games like Korsun Pocket? Is it a must have? Or is it superceded already or will be soon by any new releases? Whats the immersion factor like?

How does it compare to West Front/ East Front (I know the scale is different but is it generally a better game than these two)?

Thanks

[String]

ORIGINAL: wodin

What are people view on TOAW?

How does it compare to games like Korsun Pocket? Is it a must have? Or is it superceded already or will be soon by any new releases? Whats the immersion factor like?

How does it compare to West Front/ East Front (I know the scale is different but is it generally a better game than these two)?

Thanks

i have only played TOAW CW of those games...

but i like it when i'm winning..

[Hexed Gamer]

I have TOAW Elite Vol 1 and Vol 2.

Vol 1 will NOT play on XP, Vol 2 will.

But of course, it is the same old arguement.
If you have XP, you can always partition a portion of the hard drive, load 98SE on to it (or even go further back to 95 for that matter), and then run the game int the OS it likes better.

Or option 2, the one I support curently. Scrounge up an older system, something like a P1 or PII must be about worthless in a used computer location, and just load the games on it.

Sympathies to those that actually attach value to a PII system, but they are actually quite worthless. The parts can't be used in anything made in the last 3-5 years. I have a case, a PIII system even, and my friend basically abandoned it on me.
After the normal upgrade process, and a few years distance, and an unwillingness to ever actually get rid of anything, he ended up with sufficient parts to just tell me to scrounge in his many boxes of parts till I had the thing running.

I don't actually "like" 98SE, but the only logical solution with old wargames, is to just not force them to run on systems they don't like.
After about 2 years fussing with XP, I have realised, it is easier to find a derelict system that no one wants for more than peanuts, than it is to master the intricacies of what some games want on newer mega systems.

We have all heard of the hassles of getting the mouse to work for Steel Panthers for instance. I don't have any trouble running it on the old junker though.

And this older system makes a nice foot rest when I am not using it too

[IronDuke_slith]

I thought TOAW COW would run with XP if you patched to the unnoffical 1.06? Norm released this a while back, my understanding is it would form the basis of a series of unnofficial patches, but I never saw anything further.

I think TOAW is still out there in many respects, at least until Battlefields comes along [:)].


Regards,
IronDuke

[Hexed Gamer]

Hmm well my copy of TOAW CoW runs on XP with zero fuss no patching right off the cd actually.

[IronDuke_slith]

Not everybody was that lucky. There were lots of people having trouble. I think Norm got the rights to the code or something, and XP support was one of the things he put in to the unnoffical patch. This was a year or two ago though, so I don't know where it went after that. I just checked Rugged Defence and there's no mention of any further patch so I think 1.06 was the last.

Regards,
IronDuke

[ravinhood]

TOAW is a hex gamers dream come true game and at least TOAW Elite offered a plethora of scnearios to play, unfortunately I can't play them because I have Win stupid XP.

You know if someone made an OS that every game ever made worked on it I think I'd pay quite a bit of money for that. It's such a headache having to adjust your system everytime you try to play a game, this game requires more graphics power, this game requires more EMS or XMS, this game requires more conventional memory, and on and on an on.

Now I do have DOXBOX and can play a lot of older dos games, but, my system speed is so fast, Gettysbury by SSI will play a complete scenario in 2 minutes! LOL And if I play, I can't even read the combat results because they fly by so fast. X-Com is the same way, the computer moves it's units so fast I can't even see what happend. Turn based games and games that give popup window results and the player has to click for it to release are fine, but, any games with a flowing combat results or movement engine are practically impossible to play. I've also tried Moslo, it didn't do a bit of good on a P4 2.4ghz hyper-threading system.

I really don't want to have to setup 2 or 3 systems to be able to play all my computer games from 1981 to the present though. Just one OS, you know like Lord of the Rings, one OS to bind them all.

[wodin]

Hex gamers dream come true...........now that I like.

it comes to about £32.00 including shipping so I think I will purchase. If I'd known I'd have prob bought that instead of HTTR. Not that HTTR isnt good only aI still prefer time based games. I load up a HTTR scenario and think right should I start and then I think ............erm .........where........what....no I'll play KP.

[EricGuitarJames]

ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer



But of course, it is the same old arguement.
If you have XP, you can always partition a portion of the hard drive, load 98SE on to it (or even go further back to 95 for that matter), and then run the game int the OS it likes better.

Just tried to do that and I ended up having to totally reformat my hard drive. Lost a LOT of stuff (fortunately not everything - I'd backed up most of the mp3s and some of the downloaded games) so if anyone is going to attempt this, make sure that everything you want to keep is backed up first.

[steveh11Matrix]

Dunno about XP (I still run 2000 pro) but as far as TOAW is concerned: if you consider yourself any kind of fan of operational warfare (Battalion level and up) should own and play this landmark.

Just MHO of course.

[Hexed Gamer]

It is easy enough to dis XP. if one is set on playing some of our beloved wargame classics.

But, it has been my experience, that Win 2000, has to be the most disapointing OS ever made.

I can't remember how many people have been told "sorry we don't do Win 2000".

[steveh11Matrix]

ORIGINAL: Hexed Gamer

It is easy enough to dis XP. if one is set on playing some of our beloved wargame classics.

But, it has been my experience, that Win 2000, has to be the most disapointing OS ever made.

I can't remember how many people have been told "sorry we don't do Win 2000".

I can only tell you of my own experience which has been good for both - at home with 2000, at work with XP.
Steve.

[ravinhood]

The only thing I see WinXp has going for it over Win98se is that it supports higher than 512mb of memory. But, it sucks having some games that don't work on it. But, I solved my problem recently. I just put in another hard-drive with Win98se on it and all I have to do is just switch drives on bootup, no biggie I guess, but, still would be nice to have one OS that runs them all.

The stupid restore feature of WinXp is garbage if you get a virus or have some main file corruptions. I don't like WinXp at all really, but, most have already stopped supporting Win95, I suspect Win98se is just around the corner.

[macgregor]

I've had COW on my PC w/XP through 1.03 to 1.04 and it's worked fine. Perhaps other versions are experiencing troubles. If I remember correctly, I did have to install it and reinstall it a couple of times however. Great game w/ tons of downloadable scenarios. Some aspects could definitely be improved upon, the naval and to some extent ,the air, have much room for enhancement. But it's unparelelled when it comes to displaying detail of OOBs (of course, you have to trust the scenario designer to be accurate).