CoG and EiA

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:16 am

What are the differences between these two games?

CoG looks very good indeed. However it has some aspects Im not normally to bothered about.

So could you tell me the differences between the two.

Thanks

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:01 pm

Anyone??

Pippin · Post by **Pippin** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:58 am

Both take a bit of reading. Certainly EIA does.

However whatever I will say is going to be biased as I am more geared towards EiA so.... I will wait until someone gets into an 'CoG is better than EiA' debate, then i'll put my biased 2 cents forward.

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:04 pm

What are the major differences in gameplay though?

Im not to sure I want a game that has to much resource worries. CoG seems one of those you games where you have to alloct manpower to productin etc etc. I dont mind that as a secondary to the actual battles but not as the major part of play.

Pippin · Post by **Pippin** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 12:35 pm

Three things to keep track of.

1 Manpower
2 Gold
3 Victory points.

You need manpower to build armies. However, gold also is needed. Furthermore, once you have a corps, or fleet you need money even still just to maintain it to keep it efficient. In the end though, the victory points is the main part of the game, if you don't reach your quota in time, you lose.

Technically, in EiA you can win without even having to fight one war. Due to the shifting diplomacy.

argaur · Post by **argaur** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:05 pm

In general CoG is "better" for me due to economics, and this will complete the diplomacy, in EiA the economics are very basic, and you center on military and diplomacy.

For me the perfect game would be a mix of both, military of EiA and economics and diplomacy of CoG.

jchastain · Post by **jchastain** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:22 pm

I think the problem in getting a comparison wodin is that the pool of people who have actually tried both is likely very very very small. The only people who could have tried both are EiA beta testers who have bought CoG. While I strongly suspect such people exist, I am less certain that the testers would identify themselves by posting in this forum and advertise that after having been given the honor of being a tester their attentions have wandered elsewhere just as this title nears release. I suppose EiA developers might have tried CoG, but they likely haven't had the time to do much with it and even if they did they wouldn't want to shift focus away from their product right now. Apart from those few people with direct experience, anyone giving an opinion is doing no better than we could do by reviewing the websites and making some total guesses. However, if you wait until a few days after EiA is released, I think you'll find a very different situation and that there will be no shortage of opinions on how they are different and which is "better" (note the quotes as that is definitely a subjective determination that won't be the same for everyone).

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:31 pm

ORIGINAL: jchastain

I think the problem in getting a comparison wodin is that the pool of people who have actually tried both is likely very very very small. The only people who could have tried both are EiA beta testers who have bought CoG. While I strongly suspect such people exist, I am less certain that the testers would identify themselves by posting in this forum and advertise that after having been given the honor of being a tester their attentions have wandered elsewhere just as this title nears release. I suppose EiA developers might have tried CoG, but they likely haven't had the time to do much with it and even if they did they wouldn't want to shift focus away from their product right now. Apart from those few people with direct experience, anyone giving an opinion is doing no better than we could do by reviewing the websites and making some total guesses. However, if you wait until a few days after EiA is released, I think you'll find a very different situation and that there will be no shortage of opinions on how they are different and which is "better" (note the quotes as that is definitely a subjective determination that won't be the same for everyone).

I understand that. I just thought the game description on awhole may be different.

I like the idea of a slightly more basic economic route and focus on the military side. SO EiA maybe the one for me.

jchastain · Post by **jchastain** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 6:37 pm

I'll assume you've seen THE GAMES WEBPAGE. The description and screenshots give some impression as to the flavor, though it's still mostly guesswork as to how it compares.

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:19 pm

ORIGINAL: jchastain

I'll assume you've seen THE GAMES WEBPAGE. The description and screenshots give some impression as to the flavor, though it's still mostly guesswork as to how it compares.

Yes Ive seen them. Look very similar though EiA seems more military based.

EiA is the game for me I think.

carnifex · Post by **carnifex** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 3:18 pm

I'm playing CoG but I will definitely be getting EiA. CoG is ok, but as Napoleon I just don't see myself being bothered by the amount of textiles I am producing. Sure I can transfer that area of responsibility to the AI advisor, but I don't trust AI advisors to do squat, so I fiddle with individual merchant ships and other economic minutia like improving each individual province when I should be stragedidizing on a grand scale instead.

CoG will whet my appetite for EiA and serve as an acceptable interrim substitute.

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:31 pm

ORIGINAL: carnifex

I'm playing CoG but I will definitely be getting EiA. CoG is ok, but as Napoleon I just don't see myself being bothered by the amount of textiles I am producing. Sure I can transfer that area of responsibility to the AI advisor, but I don't trust AI advisors to do squat, so I fiddle with individual merchant ships and other economic minutia like improving each individual province when I should be stragedidizing on a grand scale instead.

CoG will whet my appetite for EiA and serve as an acceptable interrim substitute.

Thats what I wanted to know. Thanks.

So how long away are we??

Hoche · Post by **Hoche** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:05 pm

Carnifex your avatar is too cool.[8D]

carnifex · Post by **carnifex** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:10 pm

[:)]

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9thlegere · Post by **9thlegere** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:39 pm

Just to really worry everyone, I have got COG and was enjoying it but it crashed often. Now I have a good system and keept it well upto date/clean.

I wondered why I ketp on getting same error message, when to check out tech support and guess what.....

loads of other people suffering the same crashes and there is no fix as yet. So, unless COG gets sorted fast I won't buy EIA from matrix as it if this anything to go by I don't want to waste the cash.

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:13 pm

ORIGINAL: 9thlegere

Just to really worry everyone, I have got COG and was enjoying it but it crashed often. Now I have a good system and keept it well upto date/clean.

I wondered why I ketp on getting same error message, when to check out tech support and guess what.....

loads of other people suffering the same crashes and there is no fix as yet. So, unless COG gets sorted fast I won't buy EIA from matrix as it if this anything to go by I don't want to waste the cash.

You must remember that Matrix isnt the game dveloper of most of the games here. They produce the game.

So one game dosnt reflect on any other.

The support is also fantatsic on all games prodiced so far.

One thing that cant be said about Matrix is that they never update patch their games ASAP.

Just because there are problems with CoG it has NO relevance to EiA.

I see your new to the forum and prob Matrix as awhole so your not to know this.

carnifex · Post by **carnifex** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:38 pm

My CoG hasn't crashed once on three very different machines so the experience might differ. It's much more stable for me than the comparable Europa Universalis series was at launch.

I'm much more interested in seeing how the folks who brought us CoG fill in the gaping holes in the documentation as well as fixing actual gameplay bugs.

Montbrun · Post by **Montbrun** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:15 pm

ORIGINAL: 9thlegere

Just to really worry everyone, I have got COG and was enjoying it but it crashed often. Now I have a good system and keept it well upto date/clean.

I wondered why I ketp on getting same error message, when to check out tech support and guess what.....

loads of other people suffering the same crashes and there is no fix as yet. So, unless COG gets sorted fast I won't buy EIA from matrix as it if this anything to go by I don't want to waste the cash.

I, too, am experiencing multiple CTDs, but Matrix' track record on these type of things is excellent. They will get it sorted out eventually.

9thlegere · Post by **9thlegere** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:35 pm

I am not new to the boards, I just seldom post.....

I have been looking here every week for some time.

As the only other game I have bought from Matrix(yes I bought it all those years ago!!) was Steel panthers I suppose I am being a little harsh but I am getting a little frustrated. I am very much looking forward to EIA for the PC and thought COG may keep me going till then but I am put off by the crashing.

You are completely correct in saying that it is a not the same guys but still, it has put the nagging doubt there I'm afraid. Too many burnt fingers with Napoleon on the PC, that 1813 game being so buggy as to be a joke.

All in all, I am just getting frustrated that with all todays PC power there aint really one good Napoleonic game.

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:03 pm

ORIGINAL: 9thlegere

I am not new to the boards, I just seldom post.....

I have been looking here every week for some time.

As the only other game I have bought from Matrix(yes I bought it all those years ago!!) was Steel panthers I suppose I am being a little harsh but I am getting a little frustrated. I am very much looking forward to EIA for the PC and thought COG may keep me going till then but I am put off by the crashing.

You are completely correct in saying that it is a not the same guys but still, it has put the nagging doubt there I'm afraid. Too many burnt fingers with Napoleon on the PC, that 1813 game being so buggy as to be a joke.

All in all, I am just getting frustrated that with all todays PC power there aint really one good Napoleonic game.

No worries.

Battles of Napoleon is being worked onn aswell so things are looking up.
All of the games Ive bought from Matrix.......HTTR,KP,BiI have worked fine.

Why not try one of the HPS games. I own several Squad Battles games and one PzC and they are could PBEM games.

I was a SB addict for awhile but the restricted system eventually got to me.

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