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I wouldn't quite say never. IIRC, the surrender rule was implemented to stop this gamey trick of Germany mauling France, getting to the Pyrenees, attacking Spain, and then declaring Vichy once the German army was already past the mountains. IN a situation like that, you'll probably want ...

<t> Well, in WiF, you basically just described a "42 Barbarossa", which is uusally combined with a drive through Syria and Iraq. It used to be very very common. Nowadays, you still see it, but not nearly as much.<br/>
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In real life, it was a dream of Mussolini's sure, but one that didn ...

<t> Well, at least in my playgroup:<br/>
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-Italy usually enters the war the first chance she gets. All that lovely lend-lease from Germany can't happen until Italy's active. <br/>
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Some players will try to declare war on only the CW (or only the French) but a lot of them will DoW both ...

<t> Well, your math generally checks out, but don't forget, having a unit earlier is almost always better than having a unit on the board later.<br/>
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Especially on the offense, the stronger you are vis a vis your enemy, the fewer losses you take and the faster you advance. And the game is ...

<t> For Bessarabia:<br/>
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First off, it buys space. Sure, it's only a hex or two wide, but if you take Chinesau, that's a hex that will provide a ZoC, can't be knocked out of supply, has to be assaulted, and covers Odessa. It'll buy you an impulse for that big rush when you badly need time ...

I'm about 99% certain that vichy collapse triggering pro-axis USE effects is a bug. I mean, it's essentially similar to the aligning of a minor because someone from the other side DOWed it, and you don't roll USE for say, the British aligning Poland.

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At first opportunity, you're probably looking at a task force of something like a mot, a Terr, and your infdiv, which is going to mass about 10 or so land factors. Add in another 10 for shore bombardment, and you're already looking at a 6:1 attack.<br/>
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Most of your early war CVP ...

<t> Except that there is only a -2 for Bessarabia if the Germans have Romania go to war over it. Unless there's fewer than 2 chits, I've never met a German player willing to risk losing the Ploesti oil that early in the game, so then the 2 chits stay. Then you DoW with the Brits, still having 2 ...

<t> It is most definitely b). 2 kills, shatter anything (if there is anything) that's left. The one where you get a significant number of shatters is a final result of 20-21 on the blitz table of 2D10, a raw B with no "real" losses.<br/>
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There's probably a similar result on the 1D10 table ...

<t> I was being semi-sarcastic. I think it's better to attack on the first turn as opposed to waiting, but I don't mean to imply it's a wrong call to attack later. <br/>
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I do usually DoW on the first turn myself. Sure, the entry is rougher then, but you have fewer things you need to be doing ...

<t> You want to shatter enemy units if taking an area is of high importance. Say you're the axis on the offensive in Egypt. You get an S or a B, any unit that shatters pops up back in England, which while annoying, is a long way away from the front, and if you're trying to make a drive for Suez ...

DoW of Portugal in mid 40s? When you're trying to save France? Crazy talk!

DoW Portugal on the very first turn! This is important!

<t> Just warning you, conquest (and things like city penalties to attack) are concerned with the printed factories, not wherever the factories have to be right now. If you rail the Marseilles and Vichy factories to Bordeaux, and the Germans are going for that incomplete conquest, they still need to ...

Isn't it 2 per shipyard per turn? I thought if you only spent 1 per shipyard, say you built a single cruiser, you didn't get anything, only the "second" BP got saved.

<t> But that's only true if you're spending 2+ BP on ships every turn. Which you probably aren't, especially as the clock starts to reach 44-45. Even for the big naval powers of the U.S., CW, and Japan, you're only building so many SCS, so many carriers. I mean, let's face it, a lot of sea control ...

<t> Oh, of course according to RAW you can't do it any other way.<br/>
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But say I'm playing Japan. I want to finish the Yamato. That costs a hefty 5 BP.<br/>
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If I'm playing no FiF but with Shipyards, and assuming I have exactly 1, I push out the Yamato, it now costs 4, I've saved 1 BP ...

<t> You often can't afford to let them sail out in one impulse and wait for the next to counterattack, you often need your planes in the sea zone first.<br/>
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Through the use of a combined, a supercombined with O-Chit, or the simple expedient of having one of the Western Allies take a naval ...

<t> For years, I thought that FTC applied to powers, not to individual countries. The main wrongful application of this was that when you plopped Gort in France, and aligned Belgium to the CW, I had played that the Belgian units, should they survive, could retreat to France and continue the fight ...

Yes and yes. It's a pretty common tactic to have lots of fighters and naval air intercept them to cover convoy points in the 0, even if the attack is only from submarines or surface ships.

<t> I'm just curious, if you tried to put shipyards in without the rest of FiF, how would you do it? Because the "cost one less" means more when you spread out the building costs the way FiF makes you do, whereas if you pay them in a lump sum a la regular WiF, that one less is still nice, but not as ...