<t> I have been lurking for this discussion for a while. A couple of points to throw in (and they get back down in the trench)<br/>
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-AAA effectiveness is not that bad in this IMHO. German anti-air defenses were not only more sophisticated technologically, they were vastly more numerous and ...

<t> All US patents and trademarks become public domain after a set time (pharmaceuticals in 17 years with a possible 7 yeare extention or public trademarks in 50 years, IIRC). Since the latest you could assume any WWII items were made was 1945 that means that no less than sixty years has passed ...

<t> Your right about the OOB changes, but by the very presence of the OOB change forum and updates it shows extrodinary detail in this game. I would also point out to be fair that many people that consider themselves WWII history buffs wouldn't know the precise number of 20mm cannons on a cruisers ...

Overall, I liked it....[:D]

<t> Yeah a couple points....<br/>
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a) I don't think anyone wants uber deathstar b-17 groups back either<br/>
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b) I think that early war japanese planes can too easily damage b-17s without suffering in return<br/>
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c) I wonder if they are getting that manuver bonus against the ...

<t> Leaving the European level bombers out of the arguement as I know less about thier armarments, It would seem to me that Japanese planes seem quite facile at attacking the heavy B-17 bombers in the early war. While I imagine latter in the war perhaps the better japanese fighters along with alot ...

<t> you are certiainly right that a ship may not just "insta-sink" from gun fire...but for unarmored ships they certainly can do quite well.<br/>
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I would also point out (not to be bitchy mind you, but because if this is the reason this should be modeled) if the convoy response to surface ...

<t> I must say I agree with the overarching point of this threat. The Surface combat is fine vs. combatants, but for "raider" type battles it is insane. <br/>
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To start I have no trouble with "nitpicking" things like this in this game. this is after all a game for nitpickers.<br/>
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<t> I would like to know what kind of cargo ship can take more than ten hits from a Cruiser and not be a flaming pile of twisted wreckage. In addition to agreeing with the targeting changes, my take is that the damage model is what allows this bizzareness against lightly or unescorted merchies ...

<t> #1) suicidal airgroups. Real Example. You have 9 TiVa torp bombers that detect 4 Jap carriers. 6 go out to attack, without escort. Who would do such a thing!?!?!?!? And it happens ALL the time. I had Three B-17s go and attack AK's sitting in the northern PI three times over four days. with an ...

<r> I don't really care what the excuses are. This is the most expensive computer game I have ever purchased bar nothing. This particular patch experience was the most aggravating I have had in quite some time.<br/>
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It may well be that there are people who don't care what thier customer ...

<t> Listen up boys. What I bought from you is a PREMIUM game. I paid as much for this game and its attendant mailed cd as I pay for two normal games. Then I go and have to jump through more !@#$ hoops to download a stupid patch than I do to E-File my taxes off of TurboTax.<br/>
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<t> My wife is a filipino. Wanted to know what that "map game" I was playing was. Explained it to her.<br/>
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It was 2/2/42 in the big war and I was down to Cebu, Mindinao and Jolo all else having fallen to the evil red boxes. <br/>
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Upon explaining this she told me "You should try ...

<t> for fire your also forgeting that much like smaller rounds in tank penetration, the 1000 gp bombs (Since APs are known to have penetrated Yamato armor I assume we are talking GPs only here), the explosion would punch a hole in the armor it was in contact. That spalling (molten metal chunks ...

<t> I would say that a GP 1000 would do between 2-5 sys with 0 flooding and 1-3 fire points per hit up to a maximum of 50% sys (representing the explosives local penetrations of the deck armor but failure to get deep in the ship and wreck the hell out of it).<br/>
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But certainly a dozen ...

<t> A thousand pound GP bomb should have about 600 hundred pounds of filler..Set off in contact with the deck armor it certainly will do something. Maybe not vital damage such as going three decks down and blowing up a magazine, but it probably would penetrate the deck armor (I say that because a ...

<t> From the sounds of things, this was more a test in this thread rather then actual battle play... Still... Seeing as almost no weather in the west pac is THAT pristine, I have to wonder again about FOW. Because if my raiders can only see 3 of a 15 ship TF, I only want to see those three on the ...

<t> Thayne there is no average to average. Go to the editor yourself. Take a dozen 0 sys damage fully loaded DD's and Flag that squadron with the Prince of Wales and ram them into a 20 ship transport convoy with lets call it a MSW and a PG for escort in Daylight, with prior Air spotting, fair ...

<t> but that is the point. In this game you can send your convoys anywhere you want protected by a MSW or a PG and even if they encounter 10 warships (nearly one warship for every merchantman, each warship at least 100% faster then thier prey) in broad daylight they stand very little chance of the ...

<r> sorry to double but this must have come up while I was typing.<br/>
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<QUOTE><s>[quote]</s>ORIGINAL: Thayne<br/>
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This actually is not a senseless result.<br/>
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The standard tactic for a bunch of freighters who get jumped by an enemy task force is to scatter. They head ...