RHS Aircraft Lists (With PR Spitfire)

[el cid again]

Same standards as in the Japanese posting. This is the raw data - not yet calibrated by tests - but it is consistent for all aircraft.
Designation Type Maneuverability Durability FerryRange NormRange ExtRange OpCeiling FwdFirepower RearFirepower Payload [=Bombload+Rockets+Droptanks or Cargo]
RN CARRIER AIRCRAFT
Albacore Torpedo-Bomber 10 6 34 13 13 16560 1 1 2000 Carrier Aircraft; 1xTorpedo
Avenger I/II Torpedo-Bomber 16 6 20 8 8 17920 1 2 1600 Carrier Aircraft; 1xTorpedo; 8xRockets = 304
Barracuda Torpedo-Bomber 13 7 20 8 8 17707 0 1 1800 Carrier Aircraft; 1xTorpedo
Corsair III/IV Fighter 26 7 16 6 6 28587 12 0 2000 Carrier Aircraft
Firefly I Fighter 20 7 22 8 8 22560 28 0 2480 Carrier Aircraft; 8xRockets = 304
Fulmar Fighter 16 7 14 5 5 27733 16 0 500 Carrier Aircraft
Hellcat II Fighter 25 8 11 4 4 29840 12 0 2000 Carrier Aircraft; 6xRockets = 228
Martlet I/II/III Fighter 20 6 14 5 5 24640 8 0 200 Carrier Aircraft
Seafire I/II Fighter 26 6 8 3 3 34133 18 0 500 Carrier Aircraft
Seafire III/XV Fighter 27 6 12 4 4 35200 18 0 500 Carrier Aircraft; 1xDrop Tank
Sea Hurricane Fighter 20 6 17 6 6 26160 8 0 660 Carrier Aircraft; 1xDrop Tank
Swordfish II/III Torpedo-Bomber 8 5 9 3 3 8560 1 1 1500 Carrier Aircraft; 1xTorpedo; 8xRockets = 304
Wildcat/Martlet IV+ Fighter 20 7 14 5 5 27200 12 0 200 Carrier Aircraft; 6xRockets = 228
USN CARRIER AIRCRAFT
F2A-3 Buffalo Fighter 21 6 16 6 6 26560 8 0 200 Carrier Aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat Fighter 21 5 14 5 5 24640 8 0 200 Carrier Aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat Fighter 20 6 13 5 5 27920 12 0 200 Carrier Aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair Fighter 26 7 16 6 6 28587 12 0 2000 Carrier Aircraft
F4U-2 Corsair (NF) Night Fighter 26 7 16 6 6 28800 8 0 100 Carrier Aircraft
F4U-4 Corsair Fighter 30 7 17 6 6 39840 12 0 2000 Carrier Aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat Fighter 25 7 17 6 6 29840 12 0 2000 Carrier Aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat [NF] Night Fighter 24 7 14 5 5 29000 22 0 2000 Carrier Aircraft
F7F Tigercat Fighter-Bomber 28 9 26 10 10 41600 36 0 2000 Carrier Aircraft; 1xTorpedo
F8F-1 Bearcat Fighter 29 7 23 9 9 40832 8 0 2000 Carrier Aircraft
SB2C Helldiver Dive-Bomber 18 7 20 8 7 31040 14 4 2000 Carrier Aircraft
US LAND AIRCRAFT
A-20B Boston Level-Bomber 11 8 38 15 15 22880 4 4 2600
A-20G Havoc Level-Bomber 10 9 45 18 18 20640 12 6 4000
A-24 Dauntless Dive-Bomber 14 7 19 7 7 21680 4 2 1200
A-26B Invader Level-Bomber 10 10 30 12 12 25040 12 8 6000
A-36A Apache Fighter-Bomber 23 7 23 9 9 25600 12 0 1000
B-17D Fortress Level-Bomber 4 16 57 22 22 33300 6 4 10496
B-17E/F Fortress Level-Bomber 5 16 57 22 22 32400 6 8 17600
B-17G Fortress Level-Bomber 4 16 57 22 22 32040 10 8 17600 1xH2X Navigation Radar
B-18A Bolo/B-23 Level-Bomber 6 10 20 8 8 19120 1 1 6500
B-24D Liberator Level-Bomber 4 16 77 30 30 25600 6 8 8800
B-24J Liberator Level-Bomber 4 16 63 25 25 25200 8 8 16200 1xH2X Navigation Radar; 1xASV Radar
B-25C/D Mitchell Level-Bomber 8 11 50 20 20 16900 4 4 3000
B-25H Mitchell Level-Bomber 8 10 45 18 18 19040 166 8 5200 1x75mm Gun; 8xRockets = 192
B-25J Mitchell Level-Bomber 8 10 45 18 18 19100 20 8 5200 8xRockets = 192
B-26A Marauder Level-Bomber 9 11 19 7 7 18800 6 6 5200 1xTorpedo
B-26G Marauder Level-Bomber 8 11 18 7 7 15840 14 8 5200
B-29 Superfortress Level-Bomber 5 18 93 37 37 31850 8 12 20000 1xAPQ-13 Radar; 1xH2X Navigation Radar
C-46A/R5C Commando Transport 8 10 20 8 8 22080 0 0 10000
C-47/C-53 Skytrain Transport 7 9 25 10 10 18560 0 0 10000
C-54A Skymaster Transport 4 13 65 26 26 17600 0 0 10000 1xH2X Navigation Radar
C-60A Lodestar Transport 8 8 28 11 11 21040 0 0 5726
C-87/LB-30 Liberator Transport 4 14 48 19 19 27900 0 0 8800 1xH2X Navigation Radar
2xCG-4 Glider & C-47 Transport 4 18 29 11 11 18000 0 0 17600
F-4 Lightning Recon 12 9 24 9 9 35100 0 0 0 1xDrop Tank
F4U-1 Corsair Fighter 27 7 17 6 6 29520 6 0 200
F-5C Lightning Recon 13 9 38 15 15 39600 0 0 3200 1xDrop Tank
F-6A Mustang Recon 24 7 37 14 14 28800 0 0 1000 2xDrop Tanks
F-6D Mustang Recon 29 7 39 15 15 38300 0 0 1500 2xDrop Tanks
OS2U-3 Kingfisher Float-Plane 9 4 19 7 7 10400 1 1 650
P-26A Fighter 16 4 6 2 2 21920 2 0 200
P-35A Hawk Fighter 19 5 19 7 7 24480 3 0 350
P-36A Mohawk Fighter 22 5 14 5 5 26400 3 0 400
P-38G Lightning Fighter-Bomber 14 9 24 9 9 31200 15 0 2000
P-38J Lightning Fighter-Bomber 14 9 38 15 15 35200 15 0 3200 10xRockets = 240
P-38L Lightning Fighter-Bomber 15 9 38 15 15 37594 15 0 4000 10xRockets = 240
P-39D Airacobra Fighter 22 6 10 4 4 23200 18 0 500 1x37mm Gun
P-39Q Airacobra Fighter 26 6 11 4 4 27733 20 0 500 1x37mm Gun
P-40B Tomahawk Fighter 22 6 16 6 6 26027 8 0 100
P-40E Warhawk Fighter 22 7 15 6 6 30933 12 0 250
P-40N Warhawk Fighter 22 6 23 9 9 32000 12 0 500
P-43A Lancer Fighter 23 5 24 9 9 28800 6 0 200
P-47C Thunderbolt Fighter 27 7 21 8 8 44800 16 0 500
P-47D Thunderbolt Fighter 28 7 30 12 12 44800 16 0 2000 10xRockets = 240
P-47N Thunderbolt Fighter 28 7 38 15 15 44800 16 0 2000 10xRockets = 240
P-400 Airacobra Fighter 22 6 13 5 5 14933 15 0 500
P-51B Mustang Fighter 28 7 37 14 14 37800 8 0 2000 2xDrop Tanks
P-51D Mustang Fighter 27 7 38 15 15 38250 12 0 2000 2xDrop Tanks; 6xRockets = 144
P-61A Black Widow Night Fighter 11 10 50 20 20 26480 36 0 6404 1xMark X AI Radar
P-63A Kingcobra Fighter 27 7 37 14 14 34400 15 0 2500 1x37mm Gun
P-66 Vanguard Fighter 22 5 14 5 5 22560 8 0 0
P-70A Havoc (NF) Night Fighter 10 9 45 18 18 20640 16 0 4000 1xAI Mk VII Radar
P-80A Shooting Star Fighter 18 8 10 4 4 42750 12 0 0
PBM Mariner Patrol 5 11 36 14 14 13520 8 5 2100 1xASV Radar
PBN Nomad/GST Patrol 6 9 43 17 17 17280 2 0 4000
PBY-5 Catalina Patrol 6 9 50 20 19 17280 1 0 4000
PB2Y-3 Coronado Patrol 3 16 25 10 9 16720 8 8 8000 1xASV Radar
PB4Y-1 Liberator Patrol 4 16 49 19 19 25440 6 8 12800 1xASV Radar
PBJ-1J Mitchell Patrol 8 10 45 18 18 19100 20 8 5200 1xASV Radar
PV-1 Ventura Level-Bomber 10 9 28 11 11 21040 8 4 3500 1xTorpedo; 1xASV Radar
PV-1 Ventura (NF) Night Fighter 10 9 28 11 11 21040 16 4 3000 1xAI Mk VII Radar
R4D-5 Skytrain Transport 7 9 33 13 13 18000 0 0 6000
R5D-1 Skymaster Transport 4 13 65 26 26 17600 0 0 10000 1xH2X Navigation Radar
SOC/SO3C Seagull Float-Plane 10 5 16 6 6 11920 1 1 650

UK LAND AIRCRAFT
Beaufighter VIF (NF) Night Fighter 10 9 25 10 10 23120 34 0 500
Beaufighter Mk X Fighter-Bomber 9 9 25 9 9 12000 32 0 2127 1xTorpedo
Beaufort VII Torpedo-Bomber 8 10 27 10 10 13200 8 4 1548 1xTorpedo
Blenheim I Level-Bomber 8 7 19 7 7 21824 2 1 2000
Blenheim IF (NF) Night Fighter 8 8 18 7 7 21500 6 1 1000 1xAI Mk IV Radar
Blenheim IV Level-Bomber 8 8 24 9 9 19680 4 2 1320
Boomerang II Fighter 21 6 27 10 10 27200 18 0 66
Brewster 339D Fighter 21 5 16 6 6 26560 8 0 200
Buffalo Fighter 20 6 11 4 4 24400 8 0 0
Catalina I Patrol 6 9 50 20 19 17280 1 0 4000 2xTorpedo; 1xASV Radar
CIXV-W Float-Plane 9 4 10 3 3 14176 2 2 200
Corsair I Fighter 27 7 17 6 6 29520 8 0 200
CW-21B Demon Fighter 22 5 10 4 4 27440 3 0 0
Dakota I (C-47) Transport 7 9 25 10 10 18560 0 0 10000 Cargo
Do 24K-2 Patrol 5 11 14 5 5 14439 8 8 2642
Empire Patrol 5 12 25 7 10 16000 4 8 6429 Cargo
F.K.51 Recon 9 4 8 3 3 14696 1 1 0 4xDC
Hawk 75A Fighter 20 5 10 4 4 23012 4 0 400
Hudson IV Level-Bomber 9 8 36 14 14 19600 4 2 1000
Hurricane I Fighter 21 6 9 3 3 26560 8 0 0
Hurricane IIc Fighter 22 6 16 6 6 28480 28 0 1660 1xDrop Tank
Hurricane IV Fighter 19 6 14 5 5 26200 2 0 1660 1xDrop Tank; 8xRockets = 388
Kittyhawk I Fighter 22 7 15 6 6 29867 12 0 200
Kittyhawk III Fighter 22 7 24 9 9 32000 12 0 500
Lancer Fighter 23 5 24 9 9 28800 8 0 200
Lancaster VII(FE) Level-Bomber 4 16 45 18 18 19600 8 8 18000
Liberator VI Level-Bomber 4 16 55 22 24 28800 29 5 12800 1xASV Radar
Lockheed 212 Transport 7 6 13 5 5 17840 0 0 1326
Lysander I Recon 14 5 11 4 4 27733 1 1 400
Martin 139 (B-10) Level-Bomber 7 7 19 7 7 20160 1 1 2260
Mitchell III Level-Bomber 8 10 45 18 18 19100 20 8 5200 8xRockets = 192
Mohawk IV Fighter 22 6 11 4 4 35947 4 0 400
Mosquito B.XVI Level-Bomber 12 7 76 22 30 36000 0 0 4760 2xDrop Tank
Mosquito FB.VI Fighter-Bomber 12 7 28 11 11 31200 32 0 2140 1xDrop Tank; 8xRockets = 192
Mosquito PR.XVI Recon 12 7 77 23 31 36000 0 0 660 2xDrop Tank
Spitfire VB Fighter 24 7 19 7 7 31680 18 0 830 1xDrop Tank
Spitfire VIII Fighter 26 7 20 7 7 38700 18 0 1330 1xDrop Tank
Spitfire XIVE Fighter 28 7 14 5 5 39150 18 0 1000
Sunderland III Patrol 3 16 50 19 19 14320 8 8 4960 3xDC; 1xASV Radar
Tempest V Fighter 31 7 26 10 10 32400 28 0 2000 1xDrop Tank; 8xRockets = 388
T-IVa Torpedo-Bomber 10 6 19 7 7 20651 2 1 1764 1xTorpedo
Thunderbolt II Fighter 25 7 33 13 13 36416 16 0 2000 1xDrop Tank
Vengeance I Dive-Bomber 17 6 38 15 15 17840 4 2 2000
Ventura V Level-Bomber 10 9 18 7 7 27520 8 4 3500 1xTorpedo; 1xASD Radar
Vildebeest IV Torpedo-Bomber 9 5 11 4 4 13600 1 1 1000 1xTorpedo
Walrus Float-Plane 9 5 10 4 4 14800 2 1 760 3xDC
Wellington IC Level-Bomber 7 11 67 26 11 14400 2 4 4500
Wirraway CA-1 Fighter 14 5 12 4 4 18400 2 1 1000
Spitfire PR.XI Recon 27 7 33 10 13 36000 0 0 0
USSR LAND AIRCRAFT
I-153c Fighter 20 4 9 3 3 28084 4 0 220
I-16 Type 4 Fighter 17 5 8 3 3 19614 16 0 100
I-16 Type 24 Fighter 23 6 11 4 4 27900 16 0 660 6xRockets = 144
KOR-1 Float-Plane 11 5 5 2 2 18373 2 1 221
IL-2 Shturmovik Dive-Bomber 15 8 8 3 3 15704 16 0 1321 2x23mm Guns
IL-2M Shturmovik Dive-Bomber 15 9 7 2 2 15753 16 4 1321 2x23mm Guns
IL-4C/DB-3F Level-Bomber 9 9 39 15 15 25459 4 2 5512 1xTorpedo
LaGG-3 Fighter 23 5 10 4 4 25200 11 0 590 6xRockets = 144
La-5FN Fighter 27 6 12 4 4 24893 14 0 662 6xRockets = 144
La-7 Fighter 28 6 7 2 2 31005 21 0 441
Li-2VP (C-47) Cub Transport 6 9 26 10 10 14696 8 8 6504 Cargo
MiG-3 Fighter 26 6 13 5 5 35433 4 0 440
Pe-2 Dive-Bomber 11 9 16 6 6 32882 3 2 2645
Pe-2R Recon 11 9 16 6 6 33000 2 1 2645
R-12 [Yak-4] Recon 11 5 13 5 5 23096 1 1 1323
SB-2 Level-Bomber 8 8 24 9 9 20000 2 1 2205
SB-2C Level-Bomber 9 8 24 9 9 20472 2 1 2205
Tu-2S Level-Bomber 10 10 21 8 8 24936 14 4 6614
Yak-1 Fighter-Bomber 25 6 10 4 4 26248 9 0 440
Yak-3 Fighter 28 6 9 3 3 31887 11 0 0
Yak-9D Fighter 24 5 15 5 5 27820 9 0 0
Yak-9UF Recon 26 5 15 6 6 31500 0 0 0

USN CARRIER AIRCRAFT 0 0 0 0
SB2U-2 Vindicator Dive-Bomber 15 6 19 7 7 18880 1 1 1000 Carrier Aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless Dive-Bomber 14 7 19 7 7 23125 4 2 1200 Carrier Aircraft
SBD-5 Dauntless Dive-Bomber 15 7 18 7 7 20736 4 2 2250 Carrier Aircraft
TBD Devastator Torpedo-Bomber 12 6 12 4 4 16640 1 2 1000 Carrier Aircraft; 1xTorpedo
TBF/TBM-1 Avenger Torpedo-Bomber 16 7 20 8 8 19115 1 2 1600 Carrier Aircraft; 1xTorpedo
TBF/TBM-3 Avenger Torpedo-Bomber 18 7 17 6 6 25685 4 2 2000 Carrier Aircraft; 1xTorpedo

[Kereguelen]

If I read correctly, the Catalina I has less range than the PBY-5 in your list. Not sure about this, but I think the Catalina I basically was a PBY-5, only the armament was different?

K

[JeffroK]

Beaufighter IC were used by the RAAF (72 received, No RADAR, used as a Fighter Bomber)

CW land based has Hudson as a Fighter.

CW need the Boston III as used by the RAAF

USN is missing the FM2 Wildcat

[2ndACR]

Hurricane I with a manv of 36? [X(] That just looks wrong. Especially since the P51D is only rated at 25 for manv.

[Ol_Dog]

Think your changes to B-17 and B-24 wrong


Wright-Pat lists B-17G B-24D
Max Speed 300 303
Cruising Sp 170 175
Range 1850 2850
Serv Ceiling 35000 28000


WarBird Alley
Max 287 290
Cruising 185 215
Range 2000 2100
w/6000 bombs
Ceiling 35800 28000


WITP

Max 287 303
Cruising 180 190
bomb load 6800 8800

Your above

range Ferry 57 48
Normal 17 14
extended 22 19
bomb load 17600 8800


The B-24 was designed to fly farther, faster with a bigger payload. It was used to fly from North Africa to Polesti because the 17 couldn't.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Hurricane I with a manv of 36? [X(] That just looks wrong. Especially since the P51D is only rated at 25 for manv.

2ACR

Maybe this should be closer to 26 , with the capability of an aircraft being a mixture of speed & manouvrebility, I would imagine a Hurri I could manouvre better at 300mph than a Mustang could at 400mph.

And many of the highly manouvreable Russian biplane fighters getting below 20.

[2ndACR]

It could be.......even the Spitfire's are all in the low 20's. I just asked, because it is the only a/c listed in the 30's.

I know the Corsair and P51 were very maneuverable a/c IRL.

[el cid again]

Edit Note: This criticism was valid - see correction post below.

If I read correctly, the Catalina I has less range than the PBY-5 in your list. Not sure about this, but I think the Catalina I basically was a PBY-5, only the armament was different?

K

It is true that the Catalina I is British for a plane that is basically a PBY-5.
However, the data given by USN for a PBY-5 greatly differs from that given by RN for a Catalina I!! And I used a different source because it covers both.

USN says the cruising speed is 115 mph and the range is 2,990 miles.
RN says the cruising speed is 179 mph and the range is 4,000 miles.

I did not use EITHER of these data sets. But I will listen to an argument about why EITHER is the "right" one to use.

It appears that RN uses different equipments, different definitions, and this often has such impacts. They regarded our loading of ships as irresponsible, so the SAME ship in RN service gets less range (see CVEs).
Also, on aircraft, I am told RAF is more conservative than RN or USN - so performance for "identical" planes under worst case assumptions looks less than under best case assumptions. For these reasons, I used a single reference (= same assumptions) whenver possible: Combat Aircraft in World War Two. But sometimes I had to depart from it - and I will here if there is good reason to do so.

[el cid again]

Beaufighter IC were used by the RAAF (72 received, No RADAR, used as a Fighter Bomber)

CW land based has Hudson as a Fighter.

CW need the Boston III as used by the RAAF

USN is missing the FM2 Wildcat

I will review these. I think I lumped all non-night fighter versions of Beaufighter together - and indeed it has no radar (it was actually removed prior to sending to Australia).

I removed FM2 - I forget why - but four Wildcats seemed excessive!

Do we have dates for Boston III in theater - and units? My RAF reference sometimes is not complete with respect to commonwealth - often not with respect to Canada.

Hudson as a fighter seems awful. Tell me about this. Was it armed the same? If so, we can make it a fighter-bomber. [Edit: I DID make it a fighter bomber pending more information - it has enough forward firepower to be worth while in some situations. But tell me more.]

Thanks.

[el cid again]

Hurricane I with a manv of 36? That just looks wrong. Especially since the P51D is only rated at 25 for manv.

Good eye!!! It IS wrong. That is the value of the reverse engineered formula - and I divided it by 2 in all cases - to help deal with the problem of air-air lethality. This is a test set. But I FAILED to divide 36 by 2 - so this case is wrong - and it is now fixed. Thank you.

Note the durability is also w rong for this plane - it should have been - and now is - 6.

[el cid again]

Edit Note: See new thread on aircraft maneuverability to address this issue.

And many of the highly manouvreable Russian biplane fighters getting below 20.

This is an intelligent observation. All light fighters (e.g. Ki-27) are shortchanged in "maneuverability" due to the nature of the technical formula used. It is a broad brush, and it is not getting all the details right. I essentially am honoring the original design, and I am shocked how well it works. I never dare use such simple models, but it takes years to work out 244 planes with complex ones! This is a first pass - and I will entertain a different algorithm in future - if you have one that can be done in reasonable time.

Added: See the new thread on maneuverability in an attempt to address this issue. Express and opinion/preference if you have one.

[Monter_Trismegistos]

Seafires has generally the same normal range as Hellcat or Corsair? I've heard that they were limited only to CAP due to limited range, and lend-lease planes were used for offrnsive missions...

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Beaufighter IC were used by the RAAF (72 received, No RADAR, used as a Fighter Bomber)

CW land based has Hudson as a Fighter.

CW need the Boston III as used by the RAAF

USN is missing the FM2 Wildcat

I will review these. I think I lumped all non-night fighter versions of Beaufighter together - and indeed it has no radar (it was actually removed prior to sending to Australia).

I removed FM2 - I forget why - but four Wildcats seemed excessive!

Do we have dates for Boston III in theater - and units? My RAF reference sometimes is not complete with respect to commonwealth - often not with respect to Canada.

Hudson as a fighter seems awful. Tell me about this. Was it armed the same? If so, we can make it a fighter-bomber. [Edit: I DID make it a fighter bomber pending more information - it has enough forward firepower to be worth while in some situations. But tell me more.]

Thanks.

This makes me worry about some other decisions that have been made.[&:]

The Lockheed Hudson (A28/29) was a twin engined Maritme Patrol/Bomber and had a massive 2 x .303 forward firing mgs.

Even though it was the first UK based aircraft to shoot down a German aircraft in no way does it deserve the FB title.

Bostons were issued to 22 Sqn RAAF in April 1942, a total of 78 were issued to the RAAF.

[el cid again]

Think your changes to B-17 and B-24 wrong


Wright-Pat lists B-17G B-24D
Max Speed 300 303 Mine 302 303
Cruising Sp 170 175 Mine 160 200
Range 1850 2850 Mine 3400 2850
Serv Ceiling 35000 28000
times 90% 31500 25200 Mine 32040 25600

So my speeds are very similar - my B17 range is greater - my B24 range is the same and my altitudes are almost identical IF you understand I am not using full service ceiling.


WarBird Alley
Max 287 290
Cruising 185 215
Range 2000 2100
w/6000 bombs
Ceiling 35800 28000

This is more difficult. I used the standard 5000 pound bomb load.
WITP and CHS didn't allow even that - they used lower standard bomb loads. And ranges with bombs are a function of code, not under my direct control. But a normal bomb load is carried to 30% of range, so
you get 1020 and 855 miles. A reduced load is carried to 40% of range, so you get 1360 and 1140 miles. Since the B-17 is regarded as having "a thousand miles" practical range, this seems right. And, FYI, my father flew B-17s and my mother trained gunners and bomberdiers for them - I sort of grew up with B-17 data and stories. I know about the B-24 and the Navy preference for it due to range. And I have it in the Navy form too - check out the PB4Y-2 line. This is a significantly longer range version of the B-24. I attempted to use a standard data reference wherever possible (Combat Aircraft of World War Two) in order to have a common set of definitions. In fact an aircraft can cruise at different speeds, and carry different payloads, and adjusting either or both can impact range. Other things were done for special missions - in both ETO and PTO - but I cannot allow special things (shedding armor for example) into statistically normal planes. We must go with typical data. I can, however, consider any indication the data is bad. I certainly think our speeds and altitudes agree. And the range data is ferry range data - what the game does with it is beyond my present control. What is your FERRY range data?

WITP

Max 287 303
Cruising 180 190
bomb load 6800 8800

[el cid again]

Edit Note: Monter clarifies below he felt Seafire had too much range. He was correct: see correction post below.

Seafires has generally the same normal range as Hellcat or Corsair? I've heard that they were limited only to CAP due to limited range, and lend-lease planes were used for offrnsive missions...

I have no opinion on relative ranges or speeds or merits of planes. I just enter the data as it is. I am not sure what you are asking or saying either. Do you think there is an error? If so, what error, specifically? I cannot use "the range is too big or too small" either - I need "the range is xyz" and where this came from.

[el cid again]

This makes me worry about some other decisions that have been made.

The Lockheed Hudson (A28/29) was a twin engined Maritme Patrol/Bomber and had a massive 2 x .303 forward firing mgs.

Even though it was the first UK based aircraft to shoot down a German aircraft in no way does it deserve the FB title.

You and I think alike. Which is why I classified it as a bomber. Note this is a TRANSPORT plane foundation DESIGNED to be a BOMBER - NEVER a fighter. However, the comment was Australia USED it as a fighter. And close examination found it had FOUR guns normally able to bear forward - the two you point out - and the two in the turret. This MIGHT be useable in a situation - say - against a transport or patrol plane. So - on condition that the statement it WAS used as a fighter is backed up - I tentatively reclassified it - and asked for more information. If we don't get it - or if it does not appear to be correct - I will reclassify it back to bomber - which is of couse how it was designed in its military form.

[Monter_Trismegistos]

Well I'm saying that Wildcat and Hellcat range was much greater than Seafire. Its short range prevented Seafire being main fighter of FAA. Your stats doesnt show it.

[el cid again]

Edit Note: Monter is correct. See correction post below.

Well I'm saying that Wildcat and Hellcat range was much greater than Seafire. Its short range prevented Seafire being main fighter of FAA. Your stats doesnt show it.

Well, for the Hellcat they do show it. Look at the Hellcats as F6F-5 and
F6F-5N - and you will see substantially more range than for the Seafire.
The Hellcat II listing in RN is NOT the same plane!!! That is, the British do not outfit it the same. They put external weapons on it - note the rockets!
I am not responsible for the data - I used what RN said it is. This is how they used it - so this is how it appears. But I find it plausable. The Wildcat is less clear. The F4F listings do not appear to be longer in range than the Wildcat range is. But once again, I let the RN say what it should be in RN and the USN say what it is in USN - and if it was the same - that is how it was entered. I did 244 planes - and I had no time nor inclination to do such comparisons - the data is honest data from the best available sources. It is what it is. It is no good to say this is a general impression - I need specific numbers to go in a data set. Impressions are often not really meaningful - because they depend on things like payload, drag related to configuration, fuel standards (both in quantity and octane), the chosen cruising speed, etc. It may well be the ranges are not quite as close as they appear: a range of 14.99 will show as 14 in this system. Not my choice - that is the way the system is set up - divide by 60 and drop fractions. [When I tried to increase the range of the Zero by 5 minutes so it could go one more hex you should see the firestorm it ignited - so I resolved never to tamper with the data at all.]

Just in case, however - there are always errors in any large set of data - I will look up Seafire again to insure it is correct.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

And close examination found it had FOUR guns normally able to bear forward - the two you point out - and the two in the turret. This MIGHT be useable in a situation - say - against a transport or patrol plane.

Something I just don't know about but others might comment - how does the code already handle this? In real life it's my understanding that on occasion a better armed and faster Japanese patrol plane would attack a US patrol plane. Does the code have this built in already?

So - on condition that the statement it WAS used as a fighter is backed up - I tentatively reclassified it - and asked for more information. If we don't get it - or if it does not appear to be correct - I will reclassify it back to bomber - which is of couse how it was designed in its military form.

There are other implications to reclassifying it that might cause you to reconsider. AFAIK:
- FB's can't do ASW.
- FB's can't do naval patrol.
- FB's can't do recon.
- FB's bomb differently than bombers.
- FB's can use a size 2 airfield. Bombers require a 4/3 to use normal range/extended range operations (larger if bigger plane).

[Ol_Dog]

Wright-Patt shows ferry range for B-24D as 4,600 and B-24J as 3,700. It shows normal load of 8,000 for the D and 12,800 for the J. The D has a range of 2,850 with a 5,000 lb load.

My point was you have the 17 with 20% greater range and 100% bigger payload. That is wrong. The 24 was designed and built to fly faster, farther and with a bigger payload - just not a high.

And, FYI, my Dad was a navigator on a B-24 flying out of Italy in 44-45. He confirmed the B-17s flew higher than the B-24s - he said they always got to fly higher.[:)]