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RE: Manila finally surrenders! 2:1 odds

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Just to let everyone know, Bill has been kind enough to let the Chinese LCUs led astray by the friendly AI assistant (I'm calling it "Retard" from now on[8D]) march back to Ichang, possibly one hex west as this is where I wanted them but can't thanks to the impossible UI and movement mechanics.

The USN subs continue to perform dismally, especially when compared to the RN latest performance.

Discretion being the better part of valour the USN CVs retired, as did the Japanese CV TF it seems. (hard to determine as my forward based search plane strength is marginal due to latest actions at Noumea and Norfolk Is). I was tempted to send in RAdmiral Smith's Mixed Cruiser Force but deemed it too risky to engage Japanese surface forces at night without adequate aircover to protect the cripples next day.

The "Retard's" choice of target for Naval Attack continues to amaze me. Wirraways and bomb armed level bombers can't do squat against battleships and cruisers but "Retard" sends all available aircraft after the bombardment TF rather than the more vulnerable and threat posing invasion TF 100 miles North. I know someone is going to ask "What was the CAP strength over the enemy transports compared to your fighter escort?" I will replay, who knows and really, why should "Retard" know? This CAP knowledge via crystal ball should have far less of an impact on operations IMO.

I like saying retard almost as much as draconian!
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/14/42

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Coastal Guns at Norfolk Island, 60,123, firing at TF 4
TF 4 troops unloading over beach at Norfolk Island, 60,123

Japanese ground losses:
101 casualties reported

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Sub attack near Norfolk Island at 60,123

Japanese Ships
AP Kensyo Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #51
MSW Banshu Maru #8
DD Hatsuharu

Allied Ships
SS Snapper

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ASW attack at 66,75

Japanese Ships
PG Okuyo Maru
PG Magan Maru
PG Kozan Maru
PG Kongosan Maru

Allied Ships
SS Grunion

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Coastal Guns at Norfolk Island, 60,123, firing at TF 4
TF 4 troops unloading over beach at Norfolk Island, 60,123

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Port Blair , at 23,34

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 16
Wellington III x 25
No Allied losses
Airbase supply hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim IV bombing at 8000 feet
Wellington III bombing at 13000 feet

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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 15
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Runway hits 6
Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Johnston Island , at 104,78

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 4
B-17E Fortress x 17
LB-30 Liberator x 8
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Runway hits 9
Aircraft Attacking:
B-17E Fortress bombing at 17000 feet
LB-30 Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 116th Division, at 47,37

Allied aircraft
P-43A Lancer x 12
SB-2c x 7
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 116th Division, at 47,37

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 5
SB-2c x 8
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Ind. Brigade, at 49,30

Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 6
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 32
Ki-49 Helen x 35
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 16
Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo

Aircraft Attacking:
Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 8
Hudson I x 21
B-25C Mitchell x 15
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1
CL Kashii

Aircraft Attacking:
B-25C Mitchell bombing at 3000 feet
Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CL Kashii
CL Tama
DD Asashio
DD Arashio

Allied Ships
PT TM-7
PT TM-13
PT TM-14
PT TM-15

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Naval bombardment of Merak, at 19,59

Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
DD Asashio
CL Tama
CL Kashii
BB Haruna
BB Kongo

Allied ground losses:
189 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

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Ground combat at Palembang

Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 34795 troops, 216 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 4436 troops, 18 guns, 4 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Palembang base !!!
Allied aircraft losses
C-47 Dakota: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
301 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Allied ground losses:
202 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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Ground combat at Merak

Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 7453 troops, 71 guns, 10 vehicles
Defending force 2372 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 70 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1747 troops, 28 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1901 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Noumea

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 4067 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10689 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles


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RE: Manila finally surrenders! 2:1 odds

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Hey Ron, this naval naval air combat posted seems to me more better than the "standard" version. May be will be the solution to my new art ships sides "in game". Where can i download it from????

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RE: Manila finally surrenders! 2:1 odds

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/15/42

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Coastal Guns at Norfolk Island, 60,123, firing at TF 4
TF 4 troops unloading over beach at Norfolk Island, 60,123

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 19,59 Another 1 shot battle.

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
CL Kashii
CL Tama
DD Asashio
DD Arashio, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
PT TM-7
PT TM-13
PT TM-14
PT TM-15

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Naval bombardment of Merak, at 19,59

Japanese Ships
DD Arashio
DD Asashio
CL Tama
CL Kashii
BB Haruna
BB Kongo

Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on Port Blair , at 23,34

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 23
Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Wellington III bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 6
No Allied losses
Resources hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 13
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 14
Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 40,74

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
A6M3 Zero x 9
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 4
B-17E Fortress x 47
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 13
Aircraft Attacking:
B-17E Fortress bombing at 19000 feet
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Day Air attack on Johnston Island , at 104,78

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 4
B-17E Fortress x 14
LB-30 Liberator x 7
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10
Aircraft Attacking:
LB-30 Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
B-17E Fortress bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 116th Division, at 47,37

Allied aircraft
P-43A Lancer x 11
SB-2c x 7
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 116th Division, at 47,37

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 5
SB-2c x 7
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Ind. Brigade, at 49,30

Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 7
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Mixed Brigade, at 48,32

Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 8
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
IL-4c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 21st Special Base Force, at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 9
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 10
Ki-48-I Lily x 15
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st KNIL Regiment, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 14
G4M1 Betty x 26
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 6
P-40E Warhawk x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 4 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75A: 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st KNIL Regiment, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 17
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd KNIL Regiment, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 9
G4M1 Betty x 40
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 6
P-40E Warhawk x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75A: 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 3 damaged
Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 25
P-40E Warhawk x 19
A-24 Dauntless x 16
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 damaged
A-24 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Arugun Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nowaki
DD Shiratsuyu
AP Karimo Maru
AP Yoshino Maru
DD Umikaze
DD Okikaze
AP Waura Maru
AP Oigawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AP Tatuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Heiku Maru
AP Humburugu Maru
Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
Martin 139 bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-27 Nate x 5
Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 9
Albacore x 11
Brewster 339D x 8
T.IVa x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Albacore: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed
T.IVa: 6 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
CL Kashii
BB Haruna
Aircraft Attacking:
T.IVa launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Albacore launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
Ki-27 Nate x 2
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 21
Beaufort V-IX x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 destroyed, 19 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo
Aircraft Attacking:
Beaufort V-IX bombing at 4000 feet
Martin 139 bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 3
Wirraway x 11
Brewster 339D x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 3 damaged
Wirraway: 5 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Yoshinogawa Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,58

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 13
A-24 Dauntless x 13
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
A-24 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Kamikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ayato Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Shirakumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
Ki-27 Nate x 7
Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 16
Albacore x 8
Wirraway x 2
T.IVa x 2
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
Albacore: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Wirraway: 1 destroyed
T.IVa: 2 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
Aircraft Attacking:
T.IVa launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Albacore launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-27 Nate x 3
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 20
Beaufort V-IX x 9
A-24 Dauntless x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 12 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 3 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
Martin 139 bombing at 3000 feet
Beaufort V-IX bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-27 Nate x 3
Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 11
B-25C Mitchell x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo
Aircraft Attacking:
B-25C Mitchell bombing at 3000 feet
Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
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Ground combat at Merak

Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 8934 troops, 78 guns, 9 vehicles
Defending force 2437 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 152 to 1
Japanese ground losses: One of the Para units reportedly Banzai attacked this turn. I've never seen this...nice to know it works considering the presence of all these massive odds attacks for no gain we see regularly.
1010 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Allied ground losses:
65 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1758 troops, 28 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 2060 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Noumea

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 10780 troops, 29 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10905 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Merak seaborne landing repulsed.

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Darn, can't find the June 15th combat report...hopefully Bill still has it. I'll wait and see before I summarize this day's action. Sadly, the 4 FAA Albacore and Swordfish squadrons I shuttled to Batavia failed miserably on the 15th. Over 50% of them failed to locate targets despite there being about 80 enemy ships off the Java beaches 60 miles away (love that routine!!) and the other 50% attacked and failed to score on the Kongo and Haruna. Really wanted a hit or two.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/16/42

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ASW attack near Norfolk Island at 60,123

Japanese Ships
MSW Banshu Maru #51
MSW Banshu Maru #8
DD Hatsuharu

Allied Ships
SS Snapper

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Day Air attack on Port Blair , at 23,34

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 25
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Wellington III bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 7
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 14
No Allied losses
Runway hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Johnston Island , at 104,78

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3
B-17E Fortress x 11
LB-30 Liberator x 5
Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 3
Aircraft Attacking:
LB-30 Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
B-17E Fortress bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 116th Division, at 47,37

Allied aircraft
P-43A Lancer x 12
SB-2c x 10
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 116th Division, at 47,37

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 5
SB-2c x 9
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Ind. Brigade, at 49,30

Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 7
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Mixed Brigade, at 48,32

Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 6
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
IL-4c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 21st Special Base Force, at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 9
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Ki-48-I Lily x 15
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Prov Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36
Ki-49 Helen x 42
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd KNIL Regiment, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 12
G4M1 Betty x 15
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 6
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
Ki-27 Nate x 8
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9
Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 13
Albacore x 9
CW-21B Demon x 10
Brewster 339D x 6
Beaufort V-IX x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-27 Nate: 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged
Albacore: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
CW-21B Demon: 7 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 4 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Ozan Maru
AP Santos Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Yoshinogawa Maru
AP Kasuga Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Umikaze
AP Chinko Maru
AP Achou Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Mizuho Maru
Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Albacore launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-27 Nate x 4
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 4
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 16
A-24 Dauntless x 33
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-27 Nate: 8 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 5 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 3 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 damaged
A-24 Dauntless: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Japanese Ships
APD Patrol Boat No. 2
AP Kureha Maru #3
AP Waura Maru
DD Hatsuyuki
AP Tatuta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Teiyo Maru
AP Asahi Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Ayaha Maru
MSW Wa 3, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Umikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Kaihei Maru
PC Nichi Maru #1
AP Kamakura Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Teikyo Maru, Bomb hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Martin 139 bombing at 3000 feet
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-27 Nate x 2
Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 10
B-25C Mitchell x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Ayaha Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tatuta Maru, on fire
AP Ozan Maru, Bomb hits 1
AP Atuta Maru
AP Mizuho Maru
MSW Wa 3, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
B-25C Mitchell bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Norfolk Island at 60,123

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
D3A2 Val x 11
B5N2 Kate x 10
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK Induna Star, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 16
Ki-27 Nate x 7
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9
Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 6
Albacore x 3
Wirraway x 9
CW-21B Demon x 3
Brewster 339D x 4
T.IVa x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-27 Nate: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Albacore: 1 damaged
Wirraway: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Brewster 339D: 2 damaged
T.IVa: 1 destroyed
Japanese Ships
AP Murasaki Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Achou Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Huso Maru
AP Teikyo Maru
DD Umikaze, on fire
AP Asahi Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Aircraft Attacking:
T.IVa launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Albacore launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Day Air attack on TF, near Port Blair at 23,34

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 9
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
PC Showa Maru #3
PC Showa Maru #5
AP Nekka Maru
Aircraft Attacking:
Blenheim IV bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese Ships
DD Nowaki
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Umikaze, on fire
DD Shirakumo
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Amagiri
DD Kamikaze, on fire, heavy damage
DD Okikaze
APD Patrol Boat No. 1
APD Patrol Boat No. 2
MSW W.8
PG Eiko Maru
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
PC Nichi Maru #1
AP Asama Maru
AP Kamakura Maru, on fire
AP Tatuta Maru, on fire
AP Teikyo Maru
AP Argentina Maru
AP Asahi Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kasuga Maru, on fire
AP Atuta Maru
AP Kokuryu Maru
AP Mizuho Maru
AP Yoshino Maru
AP Kongo Maru
AP Murasaki Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatibana Maru
AP Aki Maru
AP Ayato Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ayaha Maru, on fire
AP Burisuben Maru
AP Chinko Maru
AP Gyoko Maru
AP Huso Maru
AP Nichiran Maru
AP Oigawa Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ozan Maru
AP Santos Maru, on fire
AP Tatsuho Maru
AP Teikei Maru
AP Teiyo Maru
AP Waura Maru
AP Achou Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ayo Maru
AP Heiku Maru
AP Hotsukawa Maru
AP Humburugu Maru
AP Kagi Maru
AP Kaihei Maru
AP Kaimyo Maru
AP Karimo Maru
AP Kogi Maru
AP Kureha Maru #3
AP Rozan Maru
AP Unkai Maru #3
AP Yoshinogawa Maru

Allied Ships
PT TM-7, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
PT TM-13, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
PT TM-14, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT TM-15, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
No idea what happenned here...the PTs did not get a shot off and were destroyed but the Japanese sufferred troop casualties?
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Ground combat at Noumea

Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 10966 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 11032 troops, 37 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese ground losses:
385 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Allied ground losses:
234 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
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Ground combat at Merak

Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 8794 troops, 76 guns, 9 vehicles
Defending force 1325 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 235 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1758 troops, 28 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 2060 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Noumea

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 10718 troops, 28 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10054 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles





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Hi, Strikes know strength of enemy CAP simply because the patrol/recon aircraft that spots the TF in the search phase reports it along with TF compostion. Escorts are not required by 4E bombers or Carrier bombers making strikes against enemy carriers. Only 2engine bombers or landbased carrier types check CAP versus escort.
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Strikes know strength of enemy CAP simply because the patrol/recon aircraft that spots the TF in the search phase reports it along with TF compostion. Escorts are not required by 4E bombers or Carrier bombers making strikes against enemy carriers. Only 2engine bombers or landbased carrier types check CAP versus escort.
Can you send me the save before the turn was executed?

Hey Russ! You were the gent I was referring to when I said someone would mention the CAP over the transports.[:D]

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Hi, Read it again. I said CAP would not matter for your SBD attacking CV. I made no referance at all to the other attacks. Your question is why SBD did not attack enemy CV. There has to be another answer since CAP is not even checked for CV versus CV missions.
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Read it again. I said CAP would not matter for your SBD attacking CV. I made no referance at all to the other attacks. Your question is why SBD did not attack enemy CV. There has to be another answer since CAP is not even checked for CV versus CV missions.
I thought my comment was directed at the relationship between ordinance and target and value of target, and how commonplace it is for the AI to disregard either the impossibility of damaging a target or it's importance during target selection and squadron attack assignments. Like Wirraways and Martins attacking BBs instead of the much more vulnerable and valuable loaded transports. (Just run the first turn of scenario 15 and watch the RAF in Malaya go gaga over the Kongo and Haruna and the Mogamis while the transports might get a few planes thrown at them last.) It would have been nice to have been able to assign target priorities and operational urgency to the airbases or squadrons.


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/17/42

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TF 11 troops unloading over beach at Teloekbetoeng, 19,58

Japanese ground losses:
2055 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Norfolk Island, at 60,123

Japanese Ships
CL Tenryu
CL Kitakami
CA Furutaka
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Chokai
BB Yamato
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Hyuga
BB Ise
BB Mutsu

Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 2

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TF 11 troops unloading over beach at Teloekbetoeng, 19,58

Japanese ground losses:
1215 casualties reported

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Sub attack near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Japanese Ships
AP Asama Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Hotsukawa Maru
PC Nichi Maru #1
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
PG Eiko Maru
APD Patrol Boat No. 2
APD Patrol Boat No. 1
DD Amagiri
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Shirakumo
DD Umikaze
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Nowaki

Allied Ships
SS KXIII, hits 1

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Day Air attack on Port Blair , at 23,34

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 18
Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Wellington III bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 1 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Runway hits 6
Aircraft Attacking:
B-25C Mitchell bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 7
No Allied losses
Resources hits 3
Aircraft Attacking:
Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 10
No Allied losses
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rabaul , at 62,90

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Allied aircraft
Catalina I x 4
B-17E Fortress x 20
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed
H6K4 Mavis: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
B-17E Fortress bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Division, at 48,32

Allied aircraft
IL-4c x 4
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
IL-4c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Ind. Brigade, at 49,30

Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 6
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd New Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 35
Ki-49 Helen x 35
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st KNIL Regiment, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 4
G4M1 Betty x 37
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75A: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st KNIL Regiment, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 6
G4M1 Betty x 18
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd KNIL Regiment, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 19
G4M1 Betty x 14
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
G3M Nell bombing at 10000 feet
G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd KNIL Regiment, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 9
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 1
No Japanese losses
No Allied losses
Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
G3M Nell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tjilatjap Garrison Battalion, at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 11
Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Hawk 75A: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
G4M1 Betty bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 6
Albacore x 5
Hawk 75A x 3
CW-21B Demon x 4
Beaufort V-IX x 6
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 1 damaged
Albacore: 1 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Kaihei Maru
AP Kogi Maru, Torpedo hits 1
DD Amagiri
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
DD Shiratsuyu, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Ayaha Maru, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Albacore launching torpedoes at 200 feet

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Day Air attack on TF, near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 25
P-40E Warhawk x 16
A-24 Dauntless x 31
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Tatsuho Maru
AP Asama Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Teikei Maru
AP Kasuga Maru
AP Yoshino Maru
DD Umikaze
AP Ayaha Maru, on fire
AP Waura Maru
AP Tatibana Maru
AP Argentina Maru
AP Tatuta Maru, on fire
AP Murasaki Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Okikaze, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
APD Patrol Boat No. 2, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Aki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AP Humburugu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
Martin 139 bombing at 3000 feet

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Day Air attack on TF, near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 15
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kureha Maru #3, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tatibana Maru
AP Mizuho Maru
DD Okikaze, on fire, heavy damage
AP Gyoko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 22
P-40E Warhawk x 14
A-24 Dauntless x 29
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Rozan Maru
APD Patrol Boat No. 1, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kamikaze, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Yoshinogawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Okikaze, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Asama Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
PG Eiko Maru
AP Gyoko Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AP Chinko Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kogi Maru
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
AP Murasaki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APD Patrol Boat No. 2, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ozan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
Martin 139 bombing at 3000 feet

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Day Air attack on TF, near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 16
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Shirakumo
AP Kaimyo Maru
AP Burisuben Maru
PC Nichi Maru #1, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Shiratsuyu, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Gyoko Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
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ASW attack near Teloekbetoeng at 19,58

Japanese Ships
AP Unkai Maru #3
AP Tatibana Maru
AP Atuta Maru
PC Nichi Maru #1, on fire
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
PG Eiko Maru
APD Patrol Boat No. 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Shirakumo
DD Umikaze
DD Shiratsuyu, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nowaki

Allied Ships
SS KXIII

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Sub attack at 26,66

Japanese Ships
SS I-32

Allied Ships
SC OJR-5
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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 2082 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 3071 troops, 32 guns, 4 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2
Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Allied ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
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Ground combat at Merak

Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 8575 troops, 72 guns, 9 vehicles
Defending force 1061 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles
Allied assault odds: 190 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
2014 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Noumea

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 10993 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 10195 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 797 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1982 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported




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I did some quick math and Bill is looking at about 25% of his 396 APs that Japan has or will have are now sitting on the bottom. That has to complicate the logistics end a bit.[;)]

Norfolk Is and New Caledonia continue under a desperate siege and face almost certain capitulation but the reverses Japan is sufferring in the DEI more than makes up for this. Without the DEI and Burma, Japan basically has not gained any natural resources.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/18/42

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Sub attack at 26,66

Japanese Ships
SS I-32

Allied Ships
TK Elsa, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on Port Blair , at 23,34

Allied aircraft
Catalina I x 2
Wellington III x 5
Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged
Aircraft Attacking:
Wellington III bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on Palembang , at 20,55

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Ki-27 Nate x 10
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 11
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 6
Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 2 damaged
Resources hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 11
Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 40,74

Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 4
B-17E Fortress x 41
Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
228 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 30
Aircraft Attacking:
B-17E Fortress bombing at 19000 feet
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Day Air attack on Rabaul , at 62,90

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
Allied aircraft
Catalina I x 4
B-17E Fortress x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 5
Aircraft Attacking:
B-17E Fortress bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 116th Division, at 47,37

Allied aircraft
P-43A Lancer x 12
SB-2c x 10
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 116th Division, at 47,37

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 5
SB-2c x 10
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Ind. Brigade, at 49,30

Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 7
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
SB-2c bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th Division, at 19,58

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7
Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 10
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 4 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th Division, at 19,58

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 7
Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 28
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 4 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
Martin 139 bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Prov Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36
Ki-49 Helen x 24
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Prov Chinese Corps, at 42,39

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Ki-48-I Lily x 18
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
Beaufort V-IX x 5
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kasuga Maru
AP Asama Maru, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
A-24 Dauntless x 2
Allied aircraft losses
A-24 Dauntless: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Yoshino Maru, Bomb hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 19
B-25C Mitchell x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuyuki
AP Tatsuho Maru
AP Yoshino Maru
AP Humburugu Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Teikyo Maru
AP Huso Maru
AP Kogi Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
B-25C Mitchell bombing at 3000 feet
Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
Hawk 75A x 2
CW-21B Demon x 4
Brewster 339D x 5
T.IVa x 6
Beaufort V-IX x 6
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Santos Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
Beaufort V-IX launching torpedoes at 200 feet
T.IVa launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Oigawa Maru, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12
A-24 Dauntless x 30
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Asahi Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,58

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 3
Albacore x 9
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Kamakura Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Albacore launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 19
B-25C Mitchell x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Argentina Maru
AP Yoshinogawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tatibana Maru
DD Nowaki, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Waura Maru
AP Tatsuho Maru
AP Humburugu Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kaimyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
B-25C Mitchell bombing at 3000 feet
Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
A-24 Dauntless x 14
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Gyoko Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 21
A-24 Dauntless x 13
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
DD Shiratsuyu, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
A-24 Dauntless x 2
No Allied losses
Japanese Ships
AP Ozan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,58

Allied aircraft
A-24 Dauntless x 2
Allied aircraft losses
A-24 Dauntless: 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
AP Ayaha Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
A-24 Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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ASW attack at 22,54

Japanese Ships
MSW Choun Maru #21
MSW W.19
Allied Ships
SS Trusty

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Sub attack at 26,66

Japanese Ships
SS I-32
Allied Ships
TK Empire Bronze, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 1980 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 3006 troops, 25 guns, 4 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1
Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Allied ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Ground combat at Teloekbetoeng

Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 20311 troops, 179 guns, 15 vehicles
Defending force 5058 troops, 27 guns, 5 vehicles
Japanese assault odds: 31 to 1 (fort level 4)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Teloekbetoeng base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Allied ground losses:
139 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Noumea

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 11244 troops, 40 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 11568 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles
Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 753 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles
Defending force 1838 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles




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Hi, This is a really nice AAR. Too bad the Japanese did not go into the DEI so that the AAR could actually be about Japanese supply.
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, This is a really nice AAR. Too bad the Japanese did not go into the DEI so that the AAR could actually be about Japanese supply.

Thanks Russ! [&o]This AAR is partially about fuel, supply, logistics, not specifically JAPANESE. Supply is supply, does not matter who gets it does it? As Allied I've pointed out the problems with having supply tied to resources...modders can't correct the silliness of having mountains of supply everywhere. Pretty sad that Manila and Singapore can hold out on supply from the DEI alone, especially when the numbers in the DEI continue to grow massively despite having none shipped in and tons shipped out.



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Hi, What would cause Manila or Singapore to fall if the Japanese are not present? They must not be present because supply is not generated in a hex occupied by enemy.
Are the Japanese allowing the Allies to ship in supply? If so what does it matter where it comes from? If the Japanese are letting allied transports sail about they could come from Karachi.

what is the total on Map Japanese supply? In order to be functioning near capacity (providing supply to units and producing replacement aircraft et al) Japan wants to have around 4 million supply on map. (thats around 10k per base controled with approx 1 million reserve supply for operations) (1 million supply does not go as far as you might think. )

I don't have my 4 million in any game I am Japan. In several it is only early 43 late 42 and supply is stuck at less then 2.5 million. 2.5million on map supply means there are bases going without supply.

It is quite pointless to worry about how much supply is on map. what is important is where it can be move to. (or where it can't)
If you let me move supply I can move enough for operations over any distance. If you control the air and sea then I can't move supply from 1 base to another even if they are only 3 hexes apart. A gazzilion supply on Plaembang does Singapore no good if the Japanese have escorted bombers at kuching. If there are no Japanese bombers then the supply can come from outside the SRA as easy as inside.

I think it would be far worse to have too little supply provided by the game then to have too much. I think any actual Japanese supply problems inside the SRA early in war were more a result of not moving it where required rather then not having it to send in first place. Remember in actual war the Japanese transfered the units from PI to invade Borneo and Java before they had finished and as a result the replacement units had a hard time and required till May to finish PI. If the Japanese had left the material and units already there and sent in the new units as well PI would have been completed months in advance.

In short I think were we do not agree is this.
You worry about the origin of supply. I don't
I worry about whether or not it can be moved, you don't
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Hi, What would cause Manila or Singapore to fall if the Japanese are not present? They must not be present because supply is not generated in a hex occupied by enemy.
Are the Japanese allowing the Allies to ship in supply? If so what does it matter where it comes from?If the Japanese are letting allied transports sail about they could come from Karachi.

what is the total on Map Japanese supply? In order to be functioning near capacity (providing supply to units and producing replacement aircraft et al) Japan wants to have around 4 million supply on map. (thats around 10k per base controled with approx 1 million reserve supply for operations) (1 million supply does not go as far as you might think. )

I don't have my 4 million in any game I am Japan. In several it is only early 43 late 42 and supply is stuck at less then 2.5 million. 2.5million on map supply means there are bases going without supply.

It is quite pointless to worry about how much supply is on map. what is important is where it can be move to. (or where it can't)
If you let me move supply I can move enough for operations over any distance. If you control the air and sea then I can't move supply from 1 base to another even if they are only 3 hexes apart. A gazzilion supply on Plaembang does Singapore no good if the Japanese have escorted bombers at kuching. If there are no Japanese bombers then the supply can come from outside the SRA as easy as inside.

I think it would be far worse to have too little supply provided by the game then to have too much. I think any actual Japanese supply problems inside the SRA early in war were more a result of not moving it where required rather then not having it to send in first place. Remember in actual war the Japanese transfered the units from PI to invade Borneo and Java before they had finished and as a result the replacement units had a hard time and required till May to finish PI. If the Japanese had left the material and units already there and sent in the new units as well PI would have been completed months in advance.

In short I think were we do not agree is this.
You worry about the origin of supply. I don't
I worry about whether or not it can be moved, you don't
Are the Japanese allowing the Allies to ship in supply? If so what does it matter where it comes from?If the Japanese are letting allied transports sail about they could come from Karachi.

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You just don't get it. Who cares where it comes from? Why not just chuck supply out of the game then? If it does not matter where supply comes from, then shipping does not matter, then subs and naval interdiction does not matter...basically the whole thing falls apart. GREAT! You say it may as well come from Karacji. This is the only thing that makes sense because Karachi can be assumed to be a shipping hub to and from which actual TOE supply comes from. But it does not have to as there is litterally hundreds of thousands of tons in the DEI which negates the need to move supply from a Karachi, San Francisco, Osaka etc., freeing up loads of merchants for other things like amphibious ops and in general skews the supply model as I'm sure it was intended.
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Of course I care, so much so that I think supply which is to be used to fill out TOEs should come from a manufacturing source.




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Hi, OK here are the real supply numbers at start of scenario 15.

Japanese Southern Area Army infantry units (div/Bde/SNLF/NG) require 21,300 basic supply. This is before combat or replacements or even just reducing fatigue from moving. This does not include support units Tanks or Arty or engineers.

PI will supply 600 supply if the bases are not shared with enemy and are undamaegd. Allied units in PI at start require 5500 basic supply. This is before combat or replacements or reduction of fatigue from movement. It does not include supply required for Air ops.
Japan can occupy or share control of every PI supply hex in first week of war.

Malaya will supply 750 points per day if the bases are not shared with enemy and are undamaged. Allied units in Malaya require 5100 supply before combat replacements or movement. Japan can occupy or share all but 20 points within first week of war.

Sumatra provides 920
Borneo provides 1220
Toboali 900
All this requires movement via sea or air to be of any use and all of it is under contested air range by end of first week of war.

What happens is the supply is produced but controled by Allied player unable to move it.
when Japanese player gains control a large portion will be required for repair and little for actual use in supporting SAA operations. (The Japanese do not gain access to 21,300 points per day fast enough for this to be what fuels operations inside DEI)

Japanese has a basic supply requirement before combat, air ops or replacement or movement of units in excess of 100,000 supply. This does not include production or expansion of production. Thisd is supply that is required for Japanese units simply to remain in place and do nothing.


Since most of the Allied units inside Malaya and Pi and DEI start damaged the Allied supply requirment is much higher then listed if they are going to repair. (So it is a major error for Japan to not attack early before Allied units repair. Failure to attack allows allied units to remain stationary and conserve supply and allows supply production to continue.
Japan should attack DEI as rapidly as possible since to do so later will require more supply consumption by Japanese units. Rapid expansion in South/Central Pacific is more fun and exciting but it leads no where unless Japan has the means of supporting the future defense of these areas.
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Since most of the Allied units inside Malaya and Pi and DEI start damaged the Allied supply requirment is much higher then listed if they are going to repair. (So it is a major error for Japan to not attack early before Allied units repair. Failure to attack allows allied units to remain stationary and conserve supply and allows supply production to continue.
Japan should attack DEI as rapidly as possible since to do so later will require more supply consumption by Japanese units. Rapid expansion in South/Central Pacific is more fun and exciting but it leads no where unless Japan has the means of supporting the future defense of these areas.

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Of course it is a major error to not hit the DEI when it is vulnerable. But how can you back a system which allows the DEI to be strengthened to the point where all units are maxed out to their TOEs (even foreign units), and Singapore and Manila, for example, can be maintained in combat supply while at the same time airfields, ports and fortifications in the DEI are maxed out when the only supply allowing all this is generated in resource centres that don't even have any manufacturing? This supply should be coming from manufacturing centres! For six whole months in this PBEM the DEI did just this without a single ship bringing in supply from an outside source (manufacturing centres). Whether or not Bill did or could not surb this is irrelevant. This should not be possible. Supply should not be produced equally to resources, it just makes NO sense. Double, quadruple even the supply in manufacturing centres for all I care, just allow the modders to remove the majority of the free supply from reource centres so it has to be brought in, otherwise the model fails utterly.



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Hi, OK well PI creates 600 supply how much would you have it produce? (There are 5 bases 4x125 and 1x100) It would have been nice if you had tracked how this 600 points allowed you to feed the troops and build forts and fly air ops and still have a surplus.

Supply and resource do not produce 1 to 1. resource produce 6 to 1 compared to supply.
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HI, OK this is PI supply with no replacements, no movement, no combat, no air, no building forts ports or airfields. No Japanese landing just Allied units sitting right where they start.

Dec 7 1941 (8th,9th,10th,11th,12th,13th)
Aparri 1154 1160 1160 1165 1165 1170 1170
Laong 1158 1165 1165 1171 1171 1177 1177
Vigan 1156 1163 1163 1169 1169 1175 1175
Tuguagarao 2800 2973 3073 3179 3279 3383 3483
lingayan 1000 1035 1160 1260 1385 1486 1611
San Marcelino 2000 2223 2348 2479 2604 2735 2860
Bataan 9000 9035 9065 8966 8996 8879 8909
Clark Field 15000 15032 15012 14999 14978 14964 14944
Manila 23000 22995 22998 22971 22967 22947 22940
Lammon Bay 0 0 37 37 37 37 37
Naga 5200 5396 5481 5611 5470 5431 5197
Legaspi 1154 779 397 231 177 176 193
Total 62,622 62,956 (+334) 63,059 (+103)63,238 (+179) 63,398 (+160) 63,560 (+162) 63,696 (+136)

After 6 days of supply being added PI has 1074 more supply then it started with. (PI creates 600 supply per day)

Dec 14th 15th
Aparri 1176 1176
Laong 1182 1182
Vigan 1181 1168
Tuguagarao 3589 3689
lingayan 1711 1768
San Marcelino 2990 3115
Bataan 8807 8786
Clark Field 14934 14911
Manila 22924 22917
Lammon Bay 37 37
Naga 5167 5093
Legaspi 180 188
Total 63,696 63,878 (+182)64,030(+152)

Based on this I'd say If Japan simply lands and occupies (shares hex) Lingayan, Naga and Tuguagarao the Allied player will require importing supply from outside or his levels will decline even if he continues to do nothing. Since with these bases he gains 150 supply per day and they produce 350 per day Allied supply will run out in under 320 days.
The Allied player cannot build the units by adding replacements and he cannot fly his aircraft or build forts or he will run out much sooner but PI does not produce enough supply for the Allied player to hold out unless the Japanese do not attack OR HE IMPORTS SUPPLY) I'd wager Malaya is the same. (well worse since 600 of Malayas supply production is in a single hex that Japan should occupy in first week of war)

The 350 supply Japan gains by capturing outright the 3 named bases is enough to maintain 1 Japanese division provided it does nothing. (requires no replacements and does not engage in combat or move) (and if the bases share a road connection)
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