How would German WWII Ac rate to WITP Ac ?

[Ursa MAior]

Have not herad from it. It is like Svejk?

[Przemcio231]

Yep... its about a group of Kuk Soldiers wich are deserting... this group includes Pole Hungarian , Czech and a Jew[:D] and their trying to ditch the Army

[Hoplosternum]

El Cid - Magyars not Mongols [:)]

They arrived in Hungary at the end of the 9th Century at Przemek says. Raided much of Europe in the manner of the earlier asiatic invaders such as the Avars, Bulgars, Huns etc. etc. until they were beaten at Lechfield in 955 AD after which they settled down somewhat [:)]

The Magyars were not ethnic Slavs like many of their neighbours and I believe this is why their language is so different from the Slavic languages around them, although doubtless over 1000+ years there has been a lot of cross over [:D]

[Ursa MAior]

Against all the problems with KuK Monarchie IMHO the MAJORITY of the population lived better (compered to contemporary stndards) than they live now.

[Ursa MAior]

Yep.[&o] There are few people who is so well informed about the history of small nations.

[Przemcio231]

Well Ursa yes the Austro-Hungary was the best place to live in those times as the Goverment respected the minoritis... Like Austria conquered a part of Poland but did not opress the population as Prussians and Russians did... well The Monarchs of A-H were wise and just people...

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

well The Monarchs of A-H were wise and just people...

Unless one was a Protestant during the Thirty Years War.... [:D]

Seriously, "rules" of war is the worst attempt by humankind to mask an evil with honor. There are no rules in war, and playing by some imagined set hinders the most important goal: to win and get on with peace.

[hawker]

Well Ursa yes the Austro-Hungary was the best place to live in those times as the Goverment respected the minoritis... Like Austria conquered a part of Poland but did not opress the population as Prussians and Russians did... well The Monarchs of A-H were wise and just people...

You are wrong Przemcio,my country,Croatia,was under Austro-Hungary boot and there is most trouble time for my country-Repression,killings...
It was much better under comunist party.

[hawker]

Every stranger in past do what they desire in Croatia until we say-NO MORE.
P.S.Now American police use Croatian hand gun,and American army will probably use Croatian assault rifle. Big achievement for small country to supply super-power with guns.

[Ursa MAior]

About the SHS kingdom I dont know too much, but you are probably right that under Tito Yugoslavia was a power and had a high level of living. But look what followed after. I dont recal though that croatians had such a bad life under hungarian later austrio-hungarian rule. Some of the famous hungarian personalities had croatioan roots (e.g. Zrinyi family)

[Demosthenes]

ORIGINAL: Mynok

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

well The Monarchs of A-H were wise and just people...

Unless one was a Protestant during the Thirty Years War.... [:D]

Seriously, "rules" of war is the worst attempt by humankind to mask an evil with honor. There are no rules in war, and playing by some imagined set hinders the most important goal: to win and get on with peace.

Hi Mynok, I agree with you - but surely you're not saying all rules of war are pointless...I mean you would agree that priosoners of war sholud be treated humanely, etc..

[hawker]

About the SHS kingdom I dont know too much, but you are probably right that under Tito Yugoslavia was a power and had a high level of living. But look what followed after. I dont recal though that croatians had such a bad life under hungarian later austrio-hungarian rule. Some of the famous hungarian personalities had croatioan roots (e.g. Zrinyi family)

Croatian people will not forget savage Kuen Hedervary (i think i spell right).
Now Croatia and Hungary are friends and i hope they will be friends forever.
Croatia are Slaven origin,just like Chehs,Slovakia... People from this countrys we in Croatia consider friends,almost like brothers.
P.S.Every summer many Chehs and Slovakian come to rest on this paradise sea[;)],along with Italians,French,British. Last summer lot of Americans came here. Its far away for Americans but they still come to sea clear sea and towns which are 2000+ years old. I live in town which are 1700 years old.

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: Demosthenes

ORIGINAL: Mynok

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

well The Monarchs of A-H were wise and just people...

Unless one was a Protestant during the Thirty Years War.... [:D]

Seriously, "rules" of war is the worst attempt by humankind to mask an evil with honor. There are no rules in war, and playing by some imagined set hinders the most important goal: to win and get on with peace.

Hi Mynok, I agree with you - but surely you're not saying all rules of war are pointless...I mean you would agree that priosoners of war sholud be treated humanely, etc..

Yes, I would treat them decently as long as they behaved. They would get a bullet in the head at the very first sign of rebellion. No trial, no gussied up ceremony, just dig a hole and shoot them. I also would not have to gall to complain about my own prisoners getting mistreated.

It's a war. One does whatever it takes to win and quickly. Never start one and always end one. If that means slaughtering one's enemies down to the very last dog, so be it. Hopefully it won't, but you *have already lost* if all your weapons aren't on the table from the start.

[Demosthenes]

ORIGINAL: Mynok

ORIGINAL: Demosthenes

ORIGINAL: Mynok



Unless one was a Protestant during the Thirty Years War.... [:D]

Seriously, "rules" of war is the worst attempt by humankind to mask an evil with honor. There are no rules in war, and playing by some imagined set hinders the most important goal: to win and get on with peace.

Hi Mynok, I agree with you - but surely you're not saying all rules of war are pointless...I mean you would agree that priosoners of war sholud be treated humanely, etc..

Yes, I would treat them decently as long as they behaved. They would get a bullet in the head at the very first sign of rebellion. No trial, no gussied up ceremony, just dig a hole and shoot them. I also would not have to gall to complain about my own prisoners getting mistreated.

It's a war. One does whatever it takes to win and quickly. Never start one and always end one. If that means slaughtering one's enemies down to the very last dog, so be it. Hopefully it won't, but you *have already lost* if all your weapons aren't on the table from the start.

Totally agree with that - rules of war work both ways ...otherwise all bets are off!

[Mynok]

Yep, it utterly foolhardy to play by the rules when one's enemy is not.

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


Yep, it utterly foolhardy to play by the rules when one's enemy is not.

Mynok, I must respectfully disagree. My enemy may beat me one day, but he will never defeat me by forcing me to act against my values. I may have to work longer and harder to find a way to defeat him, but I will never surrender myself and become him.

[mdiehl]

As for Me-262 you don't need the range when you operate as an interceptor over your territory with a Radar Net able to detect Incoming Raid

Yes you do need the range. Or rather, more specifically, you need the endurance (capability to stay in the air for a while). The ME-262 was in some respects a great aircraft. But its poor endurance was such an overwhelming disadvantage that it substantially undermined its effectiveness for its designed role as an interceptor.

Look at it this way. You have an aircraft with about 1/2 hour- 1hour of air time. Because of that and its slow acceleration it has a limited capability to remain in combat and it has to take off relatively soon prior to the arrival of an incoming raid. By late 1944 the implication was that Allied bombers could be preceeded by fighter sweeps that could effectively catch the ME-262s on the ground, thereby eliminating *ALL* of its strategic utility.

As an air show aircraft the ME-262 was a great plane. If Junkers could have developed more thrust from their engines and gone with a single engined in-line (inside the fusealge, rather than suspended from the wings in nacelles) design I suspect it could have been a real problem. But with the low thrust engines, requiring two engines, and the wing-nacelle design (which was a relatively high drag design) it could not effectively do the job for which it was designed.

There must be some actual aircraft engineers lurking around here. As I recall there is some basic formula for lift to weight or thrust to weight. Each time you double the weight you need to increase lift (or is it thrust?) by a factor of eight or something like that. Therein lies the rub with the ME-262. It was a great idea that was executed before it was really ready for use.

[Ursa MAior]

Stjepan Matkoviæ: Ban Khuen-Héderváry – znaèenje i utjecaji (Khuen-Héderváry bán – jelentõsége és hatása). Povijest u nastavi. 2003/1. 15–47. o.

I looked after and found these. Hm. I only knew he was a PM. I did not know about it.

[Mynok]

ORIGINAL: niceguy2005

ORIGINAL: Mynok


Yep, it utterly foolhardy to play by the rules when one's enemy is not.

Mynok, I must respectfully disagree. My enemy may beat me one day, but he will never defeat me by forcing me to act against my values. I may have to work longer and harder to find a way to defeat him, but I will never surrender myself and become him.

Yes, I understand this argument. You will end up having to explain how you can even fight without breeching your values, because I assume you have some values about murder, correct?

Throw away all the human-contrived laws and rules and "rights". Get down to one man vs one man. If he comes after you with every intent on killing you, you are either going to defend yourself or you are not. Both are acceptable moral choices. If you do defend yourself, you are going to do it by any means necessary, are you not? You would have no qualms about fighting dirty in that circumstance, would you? Well it is absolutely no different when it is millions against millions. It is the exact same moral question.


EDIT: In order to avoid hijacking this thread, respond via PM if you care to discuss.......I'll not respond here anymore on this.

[Przemcio231]

Mynok there was no such thing as Austro-Hungary during the Thirty Years War[:D] and if im remeber the story correctly there was a revolt in Hungary ageainst the Hapsburg in the Early XVII century[:)]