Those AA guns are evil!

[Warrior]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

So, AK, you haven't put your OOBs thru the programmer's convention options?...

I don't agree with all these "programmer's conventions" and such customizing. The game is the game, play it as it comes out of the box - that's my deal, I've been happily doing it for 5 years, and I stick to it.

[Afrika Korps]

ORIGINAL: 264rifle

Goblin, He did ask if there was a cheese factor. [:)]

I have no problem with what a player chooses to do in a solitare game or what 2 players agree to in a pbem game. What ifs can be a lot of fun. I have a few "what if's" in my own OOB. I just wasn't sure If some peaple knew that the 25mm AA was a "what if" in Manchuria.

And I may be wrong. Just haven't seen a source yet that say the guns were there.

Hmmm...well, I will play out what I have, but generally, I like to try and stay "semi-historical". As I play SPWAW, I spend more and more time reading up on the IJA, and want to be realistic, and less gamey. But, I want to learn to play better and within the scope of the game to give you USMC guys a run for your money. [:D] Basically, the IJA needs all the help it can get in this game...

[Afrika Korps]

The Model 96 25 mm Dual Purpose Anti-Tank/Anti-Aircraft Gun was used both in single, dual and triple mounts...but I need to find out more about it. I do know that IJA had independent AA companies that had various mixes of weapons...I need to hit the library and gather my resources.

[Goblin]

ORIGINAL: 264rifle

Goblin, He did ask if there was a cheese factor. [:)]

I have no problem with what a player chooses to do in a solitare game or what 2 players agree to in a pbem game. What ifs can be a lot of fun. I have a few "what if's" in my own OOB. I just wasn't sure If some peaple knew that the 25mm AA was a "what if" in Manchuria.

And I may be wrong. Just haven't seen a source yet that say the guns were there.

Didn't say you were wrong! Just didn't want some poor newbie sitting at home thinking we were all insulting him for playing his way...[;)]

Goblin

[Goblin]

ORIGINAL: Warrior

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

So, AK, you haven't put your OOBs thru the programmer's convention options?...

I don't agree with all these "programmer's conventions" and such customizing. The game is the game, play it as it comes out of the box - that's my deal, I've been happily doing it for 5 years, and I stick to it.

Ah, but these are the original, out of the box numbers...[;)]


Goblin

[VikingNo2]

They may have been a Naval weapon but they where commonly used in the role of beach/ground defence. I did a battle study of Tarawa the island was loaded with dual 25mm and other configurations of AA.

[Zardoz]

hello all togeter...

the story of the English officer blaming the Germany for unfair use of AA guns is good. But the German answer was also good. The German officer saidthat it is unfair to attack with tanks which have an armor not penetrable by PAK *s*

Btw. the 88 was developed after WW I and , therefore, not used in the Great War. Furthermore, the German used beside the 88 also the light FLAK often in the front line. There are some battle report about the tremendous effect of 2 cm Quadruple (do not know how this is written) Flak against Russian human wave attacks in 1941. It was a real bloodbath. In the early stages of the desert war the 2 cm FLAK was also used as an AT weapon with some success against early tanks of the UK troops.

And..the Genevieve Convention did not say anything against this. especially because -may be I mix something - the Convention was settled after WW II. The Haague treaty did not contain detailled regulations about weapons.

[figolin]

Better late than never some links to illustrate this weapon

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_25mm-60_mg.htm

http://sus3041.web.infoseek.co.jp/contents/gun_db/t96_25aag.htm