March Update

Ivan58 · Post by **Ivan58** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:08 am

Well, at least beating the drum makes Matrix realise that a whole bunch of guys IS really waiting for this game.

The story is even a lot older, because before Matrix took over, another company (I forgot the name) had already half developed it, until they were forced to stop for legal reasons (something about copyright matters). So this has been going on for more than 4 years now...

By the way the same goes for Black Powder Wars where the concept is very promising, but progress very slow. BPW could be the successor of Talonsoft games, but more versatile and encompassing. It would be very complementary to EiA.

Hope I live to see it. [:(]

Ursa MAior · Post by **Ursa MAior** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:22 am

Yeah I also recall reading about cEiA under development in 2000.
Thanks Marshall. Keep up the good work, and dont let yourself rushed! Even by us! [:D]

StCyr · Post by **StCyr** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:56 pm

We may still hope for a good game, but in my point of view time is an important factor in many ascpects of life, and business world is no exception. So when you start a project and it is late several more times than its development should take, I wonder how to call this process a "good work".

Marshall had a timetable for this job, he changed it many times and in the result not only by month but by several years. You got this ?
Well, of course in the end he says he would be lucky not to speak about his plan so that nobody would see how much he failed.
gazfun says to mention this won´t get the game out any faster. But I think it might help to be somewhat honest at this point, to speak out that there must be something terrible wrong within the last few years. Does anybody think Matrix started this projekt like "Marshall, ur the men, go for it and don´t worry if the game isn´t finised in 2003, 2006 oder 2010. It is done when its done, take all the time you need" ? Or that three-job-Marshall just wants to become four-job-Marshall and therefore refuses to bring the game to an end ?
When Matrix and Marshall spoke about the timetable fot this game to come out, perhapse this timetable was ambitious, but not unrealistic. It became unrealistic by the bad progress in work, and as often as the progress in work was worse than expected, timetables had to been changed. And there had been so many changes that by now Marshall even refuses to mention any timeline anymore.
Some of you speak about a "hype". That it was a mistake to speak that "early" about the projekt and that this created frustration. And next they ask Marshall to "continue the good work". The only "hype" here is to describe Marshalls work so far as "good".

DodgyDave · Post by **DodgyDave** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:45 pm

for me, its not about the time it takes to finish, but more if they could add in the rest of it as well, even if it takes longer

Marlowe · Post by **Marlowe** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:22 am

I have to admit that I check out this forum once in a while almost entirely for amusement. But I do encourage people with a real interest in the game not to despair--after all, this game has not been in development nearly as long as Duke Nukem Forever.

Ivan58 · Post by **Ivan58** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:38 am

In reply to St Cyr, and being in business myself, I must admit there is truth in it. In other business sectors you wouldn't get away with it. Luckily for Matrix:

1) we're all hopeless addicts
2) competitors do worse (at least contentwise)

The only one up against Matrix is Paradox.

I think Matrix would do better to adopt the Napoleontic tactic: concentrate all your fire on one target and then (and only then) take on the next. I think that's what Paradox is doing. They also build on the same engine. This common platform is of course absent if you have various disparate programmers each developing their own thing : no synergy.

Ivan

donkuchi19 · Post by **donkuchi19** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:24 pm

You also need to remember that Matrix is the publisher not the developer. They may have some input but they are really just making it available for purchase. If you notice, all of their games are 'published' by Matrix but have different developers such as 2 by 3, David Winters, Marshall Ellis, Shaun Sullivan, and so forth. Guys this isn't Microsoft. If it was, we wouldn't be buying their games. I support Matrix for giving the individual developer the support they need to bring their games to market. I have already purchased 8 of the games published by matrix and only two are by the same developer. It may take a little longer but the results are usually worth it.

gazfun · Post by **gazfun** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:13 am

ORIGINAL: donkuchi

You also need to remember that Matrix is the publisher not the developer. They may have some input but they are really just making it available for purchase. If you notice, all of their games are 'published' by Matrix but have different developers such as 2 by 3, David Winters, Marshall Ellis, Shaun Sullivan, and so forth. Guys this isn't Microsoft. If it was, we wouldn't be buying their games. I support Matrix for giving the individual developer the support they need to bring their games to market. I have already purchased 8 of the games published by matrix and only two are by the same developer. It may take a little longer but the results are usually worth it.

Here! here! well said Don

pzgndr · Post by **pzgndr** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:39 pm

I have the utmost respect for all these individual developers and I've learned to be patient. Very patient. No point screaming at a bottle of fine wine and hoping it ages any faster than it does.

So when is this StCry dude going to develop his own game and give us a chance to critique his efforts? THAT might be amusing. [8|]

StCyr · Post by **StCyr** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:00 pm

ORIGINAL: pzgndr

So when is this StCry dude going to develop his own game and give us a chance to critique his efforts? THAT might be amusing.

you think so ? well... you want me to tell you that my game is finished in 1 year and later on I change this step by step to 2, 3 or 4 years ? Oh, and perhapse you would like me to reduce any info about this game cause there is nothing new to tell ?
If some guys then praise "my good work so far" and ask me "to go on" - indeed, that might be amusing.
But to be honest, thats not the way I use to do my job, sorry.

Do you really think sombody needs to be programmer before he is allowed to criticize Marshall and this "go on with your good job" bla bla ?

Ursa MAior · Post by **Ursa MAior** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:22 am

StCyr

Why dont you bring your frustration somewhere else? We probably understand your feelings but it is no excuse to be soooooo unpolite.

pzgndr · Post by **pzgndr** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:56 pm

ORIGINAL: StCry

Do you really think sombody needs to be programmer before he is allowed to criticize Marshall and this "go on with your good job" bla bla ?

Yes. YOU try developing something and let us know how it goes. FWIW, there is zero harm to anybody associated with a game's delayed release, for whatever reason(s). Have you payed for something?? Has a contract clause been violated?? Have YOU been harmed in any way? No, no, and no. You are just a crybaby wanting something and you're not getting it. Well too bad for you. Each and every month you post a stupid update thread to highlight your personal misery, as if anybody gives a damn. Get a life! The game will be released when it gets released.

I'm calling a spade a spade. You are a troll, StCryBaby. Go away already.

Ivan58 · Post by **Ivan58** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:18 pm

ORIGINAL: donkuchi

You also need to remember that Matrix is the publisher not the developer. They may have some input but they are really just making it available for purchase. If you notice, all of their games are 'published' by Matrix but have different developers such as 2 by 3, David Winters, Marshall Ellis, Shaun Sullivan, and so forth. Guys this isn't Microsoft. If it was, we wouldn't be buying their games. I support Matrix for giving the individual developer the support they need to bring their games to market. I have already purchased 8 of the games published by matrix and only two are by the same developer. It may take a little longer but the results are usually worth it.

Thanks for the clarification, Don.

Still I often read that the individual programmers are working on various projects at the same time. Actually it boils to this: is it business or is it art? For you cannot force an artist to work on schedule. I sometimes think that our (company) programmers are artists too, or at least they act like that. And for some of these game developers it appears the same.

But guys, let's not this discussion grow sour, it'll make the waiting even longer.

StCyr · Post by **StCyr** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:05 pm

ORIGINAL: pzgndr
Have YOU been harmed in any way? No, no, and no. You are just a crybaby wanting something and you're not getting it. Well too bad for you. Each and every month you post a stupid update thread to highlight your personal misery, as if anybody gives a damn. Get a life! ... You are a troll, StCryBaby. Go away already.

You just offend me, don`t you ? Did I offend you ? And you call me a troll ?
If you call your posting "not to give a damn" I am just glad your that relaxed.
And if my demand for an update every month is just "to highlight my personal misery", you should better not react to it. But it seems too hard to resist, sorry for you.

pzgndr · Post by **pzgndr** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:25 pm

I will react any way I want to react to your stupid incessant whining. You want to be a big crybaby but don't like it when somebody asks you to please stop? That is your right. [8|]

Hey, would you like me to provide you weekly or daily updates to let you know EIA is not finished yet? Maybe that would help. [:'(]

StCyr · Post by **StCyr** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:19 pm

It leeds nowhere if you just go on to offend me. If you just say I am not allowed to criticize cause I don´t develop a gamy myself and thats it, there is also no hope for an exchange of arguments. Otherwise you are welcome to tell me where I am wrong and I will try to answer.

pzgndr · Post by **pzgndr** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:44 pm

ORIGINAL: StCry

With all respect, but I can´t share ur sense of reality.

That's the point. You cannot share in any sense of reality. You cannot accept reality. The reality is that EIA is not finished yet. It will be finished when it gets finished. Period. You whining and crying about it will not change reality.

And why are trying to play an offended victim here? You should go on Oprah or something. Throw a temper tantrum like Tom Cruise and jump up and down on the sofa. I WANT MY GAME!! MARSHALL LIED TO ME!! WHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

You're pathetic. And it is spelled "you're" - not "ur." What's up with that?

Had enough? We might as well make this entertaining, since there's no game yet. [:'(]

P.S. MARCH 10 UPDATE -- EIA IS NOT RELEASED YET!! MORE NEWS ON MARCH 11. [:D]

StCyr · Post by **StCyr** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:49 pm

ok, I am a troll. I am pathetic.

pzgndr · Post by **pzgndr** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:11 pm

OK, and how about we both knock off all the nonsense? Let's show some respect and patience for Marshall and just let him and his playtesters finish the game as soon as they can - whenever that may be. No more updates unless they are from Marshall himself. [:)]

Soft Heap · Post by **Soft Heap** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:14 pm

So, any news about the game? I've been told that release is imminent, is this true? If so I hope it will be before Eastern because I took some extra hollidays!

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