He 219

[Hard Sarge]

give me some info and where I can find it ?

almost all my books and places I have gone, end up using the 219 A5 as the stat model, with the 603 G engine

one place I did find, gave some better numbers

which they say a top speed of more like 360 should be norm, but they give 385 in there stats

any R or U paks ?

the stats they are giving, says it is a A2-R1, but if I am not mistake, the R1 means the Slant Music guns, so it should also have a U number for the belly guns it is bearing

ahh crud must of hit the wrong key, I about 160-180 off on radius, will touch that up

[Howard Mitchell]

Hi Sarge,

The He 219A-2 has a top speed of 560 kmh/348 mph at 5,700m/18,700 ft according to both Roland Remp's 'Heinkel He 219' and Gebhard Adhers 'History of the German Night Fighter Force'. Remp gives the crusing speed as 540 kmh.

Aders lists the following variations:

R1: 6 x MG 151
R2: 4 x MK 103 + 2 x MG 151
R3: 4 X MK 108 + 2 X MG 151
R4: 4 X MG 151 + 2 X MK 108 oblique

Remp gives the following:

2 x MG 151/20 as standard in wing roots
M1: 4 x MG 151/20 in ventral tray
M2: 4 x MK 108 in ventral tray
M3: 2 x MK 108 + 2 x MG 151/20 in ventral tray and two oblique MK 103 in rear fuselage

Remp mentions that the angled MK 108 were usually removed at front-line as they were disliked due to the excessive damage they did to the target causing a hazard to the fighter due to debris.

[soeren01]

My sources support Howards info.
My current sources Wings of the Luftwaffe by Eric Brown (RAF Testpilot during WWII) and Warplanes of the Luftwaffe by David Donalds list nearly the same stats for the He219A-7/R2.

[Denniss]

It is very unlikely they used MK 103 as Schräge Musik, too havy and too big, too much recoil to fit there. AFAIK only some of the first prototype A-0 used with NJG1(?!?) were equipped with two MK 103 and two MK 108 in the ventral tray, all other used a MK 108/MG 151/20 combo or just MG 151/20.

And another time: The DB 603G was cancelled. Nearly all He 219 and all Me 410 used the DB 603A, maybe a to me unknown slightly uprated DB 603AA. It is possible some of the later He 219 (probably A-7 variants) got DB 603E or Jumo 222 engines but not much of them and only for testing purposes.

[Hard Sarge]

Thank you sirs

yes, I noticed that in a lot of places, the top speed and cruise were very close, Odd

that going to be some firepower on those beasts

did they give any numbers as to what was the standard Pak that was carried ?

I think we are going to have to keep the Slant music in the weapon load, that is part of the combat system for night fighting

if possable, the NF is going to try for a belly shot, if not, then will fire from the rear

any other info on this plane ?

the more I get, the more I can do to get it right

thanks again

[Hard Sarge]

okay this is what I am going with right now

that should read if I read right, 2 20mm in the wingroots, a gun pak of 4 20mm in the weapons bay and then the 2 30mm SM set up

question as a twin engine multi crew plane, did this have a tail gunner ?

[Howard Mitchell]

Looks good to me Sarge.

I don't have any numbers as to which particular armament fit was the most common, and Remp is quite sure that the oblique cannon were removed, but given the overwhelming firepower available to the He 219 I think in game terms it will be mostly academic anyway - if it can find a Lancaster or Halifax they have will little chance.

No He 219A-2 had a rear gunner, though the He 219A-5 did as it had a three-man crew, and there were plans for an He 219C-1 fighter-bomber with a four-gun manned tail turret. Information from Remp again.

[Denniss]

AFAIK no tail guns in the He 219 A up to A-5, that's why it was not very much liked if a Mossie was on their tail. A 3-crew was planned but it may be the A-7 or one of the later B/C-Versions.