Land movement between islands & mountains in China (Revised after testing)

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Confessing a near total ignorance of the Chinese theatre, is it correct that the Japanese never attempted to control the area now proposed as mountain terrain? If so, I presume the nature of the terrain was a factor? Could a case be made for adding some intrinsic supply to one or more hexes in order to turn the area into a Chinese guerilla redoubt?

Depends on which area to which you refer...the area around Pucheng was occupied by the Japanese for a short time after the Doolittle raid. The Chinese claim it was solely a punishment operation in retaliation for Doolittle's Raid, the Japanese claim they conducted the operation to destroy Chinese airfields in the area.

IMO the Japanese were stretched to their operational limits in China such that they really couldn't advance with out losing control over what they already had. The only way to represent this in the game as currently designed would be to drastically increase the partisan garrison levels required of the Japanese, unfortunately as modders we are limited to what extent these numbers can be changed.
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IMO the Japanese were stretched to their operational limits in China such that they really couldn't advance with out losing control over what they already had. The only way to represent this in the game as currently designed would be to drastically increase the partisan garrison levels required of the Japanese, unfortunately as modders we are limited to what extent these numbers can be changed.

I am skeptical of all such assumptions because of the 1944 offensive conducted WITHOUT sending reinforcements to China. Also because virtually all Japanese soldiers of the period - and historians since - think a general offensive was possible. It is not clear why it didn't happen until the B-29s raided? But Japan was a very divided society - and China was no exception. It has Manchukuo - and another puppet regime in Liaoning - and another in Peking - and another at Nanking - and yet another area of occupation under direct IJA control in the south - talk about complicated! Worse, Japanese companies were allowed to exploit (except in Manchukuo - one reason it was an economic success) and often IJA generals were running drugs and other forms of corruption - leading to no interest in a real unified and national control regime. This is probably the real issue: if all the area were run as Manchukuo was (it attracted Chinese, Russian and Korean immigrents by millions - each due to profits) - and the Zaibatsu were forbidden - and the Kempetei policed most forms of corruption (drugs are an exception - and they controlled). For another example see the Dutch East Indies - a place run with much local cooperation - in violation of standard military policy - investigated as such and it was allowed to stay that way - because it worked!
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Confessing a near total ignorance of the Chinese theatre, is it correct that the Japanese never attempted to control the area now proposed as mountain terrain? If so, I presume the nature of the terrain was a factor? Could a case be made for adding some intrinsic supply to one or more hexes in order to turn the area into a Chinese guerilla redoubt?

Japan actually did send expeditions to this area - seeking uranium. They stopped when it became clear Chinese people would surface mine it and sell it to them! The Chinese atom bomb later was largely built using the same method - since it took China a decade to sink proper mines (normal for Uranium). There was little of strategic value in the area - coastal towns are all.
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IMO the Japanese were stretched to their operational limits in China such that they really couldn't advance with out losing control over what they already had. The only way to represent this in the game as currently designed would be to drastically increase the partisan garrison levels required of the Japanese, unfortunately as modders we are limited to what extent these numbers can be changed.

I am skeptical of all such assumptions because of the 1944 offensive conducted WITHOUT sending reinforcements to China. Also because virtually all Japanese soldiers of the period - and historians since - think a general offensive was possible. It is not clear why it didn't happen until the B-29s raided? But Japan was a very divided society - and China was no exception. It has Manchukuo - and another puppet regime in Liaoning - and another in Peking - and another at Nanking - and yet another area of occupation under direct IJA control in the south - talk about complicated! Worse, Japanese companies were allowed to exploit (except in Manchukuo - one reason it was an economic success) and often IJA generals were running drugs and other forms of corruption - leading to no interest in a real unified and national control regime. This is probably the real issue: if all the area were run as Manchukuo was (it attracted Chinese, Russian and Korean immigrents by millions - each due to profits) - and the Zaibatsu were forbidden - and the Kempetei policed most forms of corruption (drugs are an exception - and they controlled). For another example see the Dutch East Indies - a place run with much local cooperation - in violation of standard military policy - investigated as such and it was allowed to stay that way - because it worked!

From the following website:

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/72-38/72-38.htm

"...a major Japanese offensive in southern and central China. Stung by increasingly audacious air attacks by the Fourteenth Air Force, and aware of preparations for B-29 operations against the Japanese home islands, Tokyo ordered the ICHIGO offensive. The Japanese intended to capture Allied airfields in east China and to open an overland supply route stretching from Pusan, Korea, to Saigon, French Indochina. Such a line of communication would reduce demand on the empire's maritime lifeline, which was badly frayed by unrelenting Allied submarine attacks. Key goals were securing the entire north-south Peiping-Huangshi rail line, as well as the Wuchang-Liuchow rail line in central China. To provide the needed force, the Japanese shifted units *of the Kwantung Army and Mongolia Garrison Army south, bringing their forces in China proper to 820,000 men. Fifteen divisions would participate in Operation ICHIGO."

And from this website...

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~asiactr/sin ... n%2011.htm

"In his analysis of the Ichigo campaign Professor Hara noted that the Japanese offensive, like many of the army's operations in China , the offensive was very successful at the tactical and operational levels, but was a strategic disaster. On the other hand, Professor Wang argued that it was equally disastrous for the Chiang Kai-shek, who spent far too much blood and treasure trying to resist the Japanese onslaught.

Professor Hara pointed out that the Ichigo Offensive was conceived by planners in the China theatre, though its feasibility doubted by the Army General Staff. Yet it was set in motion nonetheless. The two main objectives of the offensive were to 1) to destroy American airbases in China , and 2) to secure a supply corridor from Indo-China into China in order to prepare for Japan 's climactic battle with the United States . The former objective was modestly successful, but considering the nature of the topography involved, the latter was not even realistic. Successfully maintaining such a corridor was all the less likely, moreover, because of the greatly diminished capacity of the Japanese ground forces in China . which, by 1944, could take ground but could not hold it. Thus, Japan 's last and greatest land campaign was both futile and devastatingly counter-productive.



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Sehr interisserian, mein herr!

OK - they did transfer troops in. The communications line WAS established - but the condition of the infrastructure was too poor to matter much. [Rail all the way to Singapore under Japanese control! But South China was only technically a rail line.] Hara is a good scholar - and I have not looked at this in decades - so memory is dim. I am sure he is right. I think Japan should have gone for China in 1942 - or have negotiated in 1941. [There is some question about if they tried this - Chiang may have wanted terms some say - but Chinese people were too pissed to accept surrender]
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Sehr interisserian, mein herr!

OK - they did transfer troops in. The communications line WAS established - but the condition of the infrastructure was too poor to matter much. [Rail all the way to Singapore under Japanese control! But South China was only technically a rail line.] Hara is a good scholar - and I have not looked at this in decades - so memory is dim. I am sure he is right. I think Japan should have gone for China in 1942 - or have negotiated in 1941. [There is some question about if they tried this - Chiang may have wanted terms some say - but Chinese people were too pissed to accept surrender]


Only problem with this thought line is the Chinese Army was theoretically stronger in 1941 than in 1944. In addition in 1944 the Burma Road had been cut for some time and China was "relying" on Hump supply, further weakening the army.
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RE: Land movement between islands

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As Andrew pointed out, it is tricky. It has been a while since I messed around in the hex data, but I believe the code for the attached hexsides is "4" for river. And, I believe that at least one of the hexes will have to be a port for naval vessels to still be able to use the pass.

There are several options:

1) If you want a water barrier impassible to ocean ships (rare but it happens), use a river (type 4).

2) If you want a water barrier passable to ocean ships (common), define the hex side for adjacent hexes as "coast" (type 2).

3) If you want ships to be able to dock (normal), define a port in either or both hexes. If you think one side is undeveloped (rare but it happens), do not define a port on that side of the passage. In fact, you do not have to define the hex at all - in which case a port can NEVER be built there - but it will still function as a ferry.
My reading of the thread is that such an accomodation is acceptable by most so long as the "river crossing" movement modifier is incorporated. As such, I am not aware that coastal movement is treated the same as a river crossing. Also reducing the ways to skin the cat, I think the originally proposed crossing point is presently a naval passage.

It may be that I have misunderstood the original proposal or I am completely wrong about coastal movement. In any event, I do not have a dog in this race...I don't even have time to play anymore.
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Only problem with this thought line is the Chinese Army was theoretically stronger in 1941 than in 1944. In addition in 1944 the Burma Road had been cut for some time and China was "relying" on Hump supply, further weakening the army.

The Chinese Army- how to explain this? There is no "Chinese army" as such. T here are many Chinese armies - and they are of quite variable quality - and in almost all cases negotiable. [Sun Tzu was corrupted - his "the greatest generals are not renowned because they do not fight battles" led to a system of calculation and negotiation - you show up - look at the position and the force - and negotiate who leaves the field!]
Many units had no ammunition - in spite of ample stocks provided by the USA. NO ONE AT ALL is loyal to China as a nation - see Stillwell and the American Experience in China. Stillwell motivated Chinese troops (in Burma) by paying them! But not getting paid (other than food) and having no sense of nation we can relate to - the troops were not willing to actually fight very hard most of the time. Japan needs to engage when it has air superiority - and the ability to supply fresh troops for security duty and replacements. That is not going to happen late war.
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The data list on page 2 of this thread is now updated to reflect the change of name to Coal Harbor. It is changed in the Location File but not yet in art - it is likely to get changed in art - but it will at least come up if you put your mouse on the location.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again
Only problem with this thought line is the Chinese Army was theoretically stronger in 1941 than in 1944. In addition in 1944 the Burma Road had been cut for some time and China was "relying" on Hump supply, further weakening the army.

The Chinese Army- how to explain this? There is no "Chinese army" as such. T here are many Chinese armies - and they are of quite variable quality - and in almost all cases negotiable. [Sun Tzu was corrupted - his "the greatest generals are not renowned because they do not fight battles" led to a system of calculation and negotiation - you show up - look at the position and the force - and negotiate who leaves the field!]
Many units had no ammunition - in spite of ample stocks provided by the USA. NO ONE AT ALL is loyal to China as a nation - see Stillwell and the American Experience in China. Stillwell motivated Chinese troops (in Burma) by paying them! But not getting paid (other than food) and having no sense of nation we can relate to - the troops were not willing to actually fight very hard most of the time. Japan needs to engage when it has air superiority - and the ability to supply fresh troops for security duty and replacements. That is not going to happen late war.

Now your using semantics Cid...whether you want to call it the collection of armies or forces that made up the side that generally opposed the Japanese or collectively refer to those forces as The Chinese Army. ...The side that was opposing the Japanese in 1944 was not the equivalent of the side that was opposing them in 1941. Seven years of continuous warfare had exposed the KMT regime as thoroughly corrupt and destroyed the will of the non-communist Chinese to resist to defend the KMT.

My point about supply ...whether the supply was hoarded by Chiang or a warlord or what have you many of the units in the field were without it come 1944...unlike 1941.

My contention is you should not draw a conclusion that the Japanese would have been able to roll the Chinese in 1941 because they were able to do so in 1944.
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Now your using semantics Cid...whether you want to call it the collection of armies or forces that made up the side that generally opposed the Japanese or collectively refer to those forces as The Chinese Army. ...The side that was opposing the Japanese in 1944 was not the equivalent of the side that was opposing them in 1941. Seven years of continuous warfare had exposed the KMT regime as thoroughly corrupt and destroyed the will of the non-communist Chinese to resist to defend the KMT.

My point about supply ...whether the supply was hoarded by Chiang or a warlord or what have you many of the units in the field were without it come 1944...unlike 1941.

My contention is you should not draw a conclusion that the Japanese would have been able to roll the Chinese in 1941 because they were able to do so in 1944.

I agree with you except for quibbles - I would say "ten years" vice "seven years" - and I agree it is symantics to describe the force as "the Chinese army" or "the collective Chinese armies" - the latter being more correct. But I think it is easier to beat them in 1942 than in 1944 - Japan has a better advantage in the air and more fuel to throw around - and more ability to commit reserves. The problem is political, not military: the things Japan had to do to win almost require it not be Japan - the only reason it was possible is that the Prime Minister was himself uncorrupt, uncorruptable, and connected to the Kempeitei. Further, he liked the ideas of the Foreign Ministry - but never put them in charge of the co-prosperity sphere. Had he done that - and cleaned house in China (and other places) as he once did in Manchukuo - Japan could have been effective. In the event, there was no actual war policy in China! Just local ones, by corrupt generals, each with personal ends at odds with national interests, in cahoots with local officials and Zaibatsu, with more of the same.
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The latest post changes the rail line in NE India to road = secondary rail line. It is narrow gage and was minor before US Army built it up a bit.
We don't let Japan have the Burma-Siam rail line - and this helps get logistics in Burma under more control.
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RE: Hexes added or changed (Revised after seeing map panels)

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Location Name Slot ID Xcoord Ycoord Map Panel Comments
[Celebes] NA 33 67 5 Trail Done Trail addition
[Celebes] NA 33 68 5 Trail Done Trail addition
[Celebes] NA 34 66 5 Trail Done Trail addition
[Central Banka] NA 22 56 Coast to West [toward Sumatra]
[Central Hokkaido] NA 71 37 1 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[Central Hokkaido] NA 72 37 2 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[E Sumatra] NA 20 58 Coast to East [toward Banka]
[Formosa] NA 48 45 6 Done
[Hawaii] NA 116 75 8 Done
[Inland Passage] NA 131 37 OK Port Alice to Vancouver Ferry
[Inland Passage] NA 132 37 OK Port Alice to Vancouver Ferry
[Inland Passage] NA 133 37 OK Port Alice to Vancouver Ferry
[Kra Isthmus] NA 26 40 5 Done Add Rail Spur to West
[Kra Isthmus] NA 27 39 1 Done Trail to Victoria Point & 27,40
[North Manchukuo] NA 64 & 67 22 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[North Manchukuo] NA 64 to 66 21 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[North Sumatra] NA 20 42 5 Road Done Narrow Gage Railway
[North Sumatra] NA 20 44 5 Road Done Narrow Gage Railway
[North Sumatra] NA 21 46 5 Road Done Narrow Gage Railway
[NW Sumbawa] NA 26 71 5 Done Low capacity ferry to Mataram [Lombok]
[Russia-Amur Prov] NA 72 26 OK River Ferry
[Russia-Amur Prov] NA 73 26 OK River Ferry
[Russia-Amur Prov] NA 74 26 OK River Ferry
[Russia-Amur Prov] NA 75 26 OK River Ferry
[S Borneo] NA 28 63 5 Done Incorrect rating of trail as road
[S Borneo] NA 28 64 5 Done Incorrect rating of trail as road
[South China] NA 36 35 1 Road Done Adding Hanoi-Kunming RR.
[South China] NA 38 34 1 Rail Done Adding Hanoi-Kunming RR.
[South China] NA 45 33 1 Done Adding River Ferry
[South China] NA 45 34 1 Done Adding River Ferry
[South China] NA 46 35 1 Done Adding River Ferry
[South China] NA 46 40 1 Trail Done Add trail east to west
[South China] NA 47 40 1 Trail Done Add trail east to west
[South China] NA 48 40 1 Trail Done Add trail east to west
[South China] NA 50 40 1 Trail Done Add trail to west.
[South China] NA 37&38 33 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[South China] NA 37to40&44 34 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[South China] NA 38 to 40 36 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[South China] NA 39 & 40 35 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[South China] NA 43 to 45 38 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[South China] NA 44 to 47 39 done Changes terrain to Tropical Mountain type.
[South China] NA 44 to 50 40 done Changes terrain to Tropical Mountain type.
[South China] NA 45 to 49 41 done Changes terrain to Tropical Mountain type.
[South China] NA 46 & 47 37 done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
[South Samatra] NA 18 54 5 Done Shown as Trail; should be Low Cap railroad
[South Samatra] NA 18 55 5 Done Shown as railroad; should be Low Cap railroad
[South Samatra] NA 19 56 5 Road Done Shown as railroad; should be Low Cap railroad
[South Samatra] NA 19 57 5 Road Done Shown as railroad; should be Low Cap railroad
[W Flores] NA 27 73 5 Done Ferry Link to Raba
[W Sumatra] NA 18 50 5 Done Change Trail to Road (Narrow gage coal RR)
Angeles/Clark 609 43 51 6 Done Malaria Free Major Airfield Hex
Aomori 349 69 38 2 done High Capacity Ferry to Hakkodate
Aparri/Tuquegarao 610 45 49 6 Checked Luzon Beach and Minor Port Hex
Bacolod/Iloilo 623 43 56 6 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Kalibo; River to SE
Baguio/Balinta Pass 511 44 50 6 Done Malaria Free Resource Hex
Bako [Pescadores] 363 47 44 6 Done High Capacity Ferry to Takao & Taichu
Bandjermasin 529 27 64 5 Done Incorrect rating of trail as road
Bankha [Sumatra] 509 20 47 Cked and 5 Done Narrow Gage Railway
Banyuwangi [Java] 586 24 68 5 Done-Done High Capacity Ferry to Denpasar (Bali)
Batan Islands 639 46 47 6 Checked Minor Island North of Luzon
Batao [Tawitawi] 640 38 59 6 Done Minor Island SW of Jolo & Mindinao
Belitung Island 570 22 57 Coast to West [toward Toboali]
Borongan [Samar] 624 46 56 6 Done
Butuan [Mndno] 601 44 59 6 Checked
Cagayan [Mndno] 602 43 59 6 Done
Catarman [Samar] 625 45 55 6 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Legaspi & Masbate
Cebu [Cebu] 626 43 57 6 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Dumaguet & Ormoc
Cochin 325 12 19 0 Done Air Unit Formation Point
Cotabatao [Mndno] 603 43 60 6 Checked
Davao [Mndno] 600 43 61 6 Checked
Denpasar [Bali] 553 24 69 5 Done-Done Low Capacity Ferry Banyuwangi & Lombok
Dipilog [Mndno] 604 43 58 6 Done
Dumaguet [Negros] 627 42 57 6 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Cebu; River to E
Gen Santos [Mndno] 605 42 61 6 Checked
Hakodate 341 69 37 2 done High Capacity Ferry to Aomori
Hilo [Hawaii] 844 116 74 8 Done Done Changes terrain to Mountain type.
Ilagan [Luzon] 611 45 50 6 Checked Interior Resource Hex
Jolo [Jolo] 641 39 59 6 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Zamboanga
Kalaibo [Panay] 628 42 55 6 Done High Capacity Ferry to Bacolod/Iloilo
Kan Hsien 371 45 39 1 Done ROC Air Base Hex
Kiungshan [Hainan] 425 39 41 6 Done High Capacity Ferry to Xuwen
Komsomolsk 872 71 27 OK LCF to Nikolaevsk na Amur
Kona [Hawaii] 843 115 75 8 Done Done Change road art from NE to E hex side.
Kuala [Sumatra] 506 20 43 5 Road Done Narrow Gage Railway
Laoag [Luzon] 612 45 48 6 Checked Luzon Beach and Minor Port Hex
Legaspi/Sorosgon 613 45 54 6 Done Done High Capacity Ferry to Catarman
Lingayen [Luzon] 614 43 50 6 Checked Luzon Beach and Minor Port Hex
Lucena [Luzon] 615 43 53 6 Done Luzon Beach and Minor Port Hex
Maasin [Leyte] 629 44 57 6 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Suragao & Tacloban
Makale/Popolo 547 32 68 6 Checked Minor Port & Airfield on Celebes
Mamburao [Mindoro] 630 42 53 6 Done Minor Port & Airfield on Mindoro
Manila/Cavite 616 43 52 6 Checked Malaria Free Resource Hex
Masbate [Masbate] 631 44 55 6 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Catarman
Mataram [Lombok] 554 25 70 5 Done-Done Low Capacity Ferry to Bali & to 25, 70 (Sumbawa)
Mauban/Lemon Bay 617 44 52 6 Done Luzon Beach and Minor Port Hex
Medan [Sumatra] 507 20 45 5 Road Done Narrow Gage Railway
Memboro [Sumba] 557 26 73 5 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Raba
Merak/Serang 535 19 59 5 Done-Done High Capacity Ferry to Toloekbetoeng
Muntok [Banka] 515 21 55 5 Done-Done Low Capacity Ferry to Palembang
Naga/Pili/Daet 618 44 53 6 Checked Minor Ports and/or Airfields on Luzon
Naha [Okinawa] 661 54 46 6 Done Road to East
Nikolaevsk na Amur 335 76 26 2 done Low Capacity Ferry to Okha and Komsomolsk
Nogo [Okinawa] 652 55 46 6 Done Road to West
Oita/Saeki 360 60 42 6 Done New Location
Okha 334 76 27 2 done Low Capacity Ferry to Nikolaevsk na Amur
Olangapo/Bataan 619 42 51 6 Checked Fortified Naval Base Hex
Ominato 350 70 38 Rail conforms with map art
Ormoc [Leyte] 632 44 56 6 Done Low Cap Ferry to Cebu & Tacloban; Coast to East
Padang [Sumatra] 508 18 51 5 Done Change Trail to Road (Narrow gage coal RR)
Palembang 516 20 55 5 Done High Capacity Ferry to Muntok
Pamekasan [Mdra] 541 24 66 5 Done-Done High Capacity Ferry to Soerabaja; Coast to West
Pashiwar 856 32 2 0 Done Air Unit Formation Point
Picton 779 59 140 16 Done High Capacity Ferry Link to Wellington
Port Alice 306 130 37 OK Low Capacity Ferry Link to Vancouver
PtoPrincessa [Plwn] 642 39 55 6 Checked Minor Port & Airfield in Visayas
Pucheng 419 49 40 1 Trail&Name Done ROC Air Base Hex
Raba [Sumbawa] 555 27 72 5 Done Low Cap Ferry to 27,73 (NW Sumba) & Memboro
Roxas [Panay] 633 43 55 6 Done Done Low Capacity Ferry to Bacolod/Iloilo
Sabang [Sumatra] 505 19 41 5 Done-Done Narrow Gage Railway
San Fernando 621 43 49 6 Road Done Luzon Beach and Minor Port Hex
San Jose [Mindoro] 634 42 54 6 Done Minor Port&Airfield in Visayas; Coast NE [Luzon]
San Jose Beunavista 635 42 56 6 Done Minor Port & Airfield on Panay in Visayas
Seattle 853 136 38 3 Done High Capacity Ferry to Victoria
Soreabaja [Java] 540 23 66 5 Done-Done High Capacity Ferry to Pamekasan; Coast to East
Surigao [Mndno] 606 45 58 6 Done Done Low Capacity Ferry to Maasin
Swatow 342 45 42 6 Done Trail to NE
Tacloban [Leyte] 636 45 56 6 Done Trail Link to Ormoc & Maasin; Coast to West
Tagbilaran [Bihol] 637 44 58 6 Checked Minor Port & Airfield in Visayas
Taichu 361 48 44 6 Done Done High Capacity Ferry to Pescadores
Takao 362 47 45 6 Done Done High Capacity Ferry to Pescadores
Taytay [Palawan] 643 40 54 6 Checked Minor Port & Airfield in Visayas
Teloekbetoeng 513 19 58 5 Done-Done Ferry to Merak/Serang
Toboali [Banka] 514 21 57 5 Done-Done Coast to E [toward Belitung]
Vancouver 891 134 37 3 Done High Capacity Ferry to Victoria
Victoria 270 135 38 3 Done High Capacity Ferry Seattle & Vancouver
Victoria Point 442 25 39 1 Done Trail to 26,39 [Kra Isthmus]
Vigan/Bangued 620 44 49 6 Checked Northern Luzon Port/Resource Hex
Wellington 775 59 141 16 Done High Capacity Ferry Link to Picton
Xuwen 422 39 40 6 Done High Capacity Ferry to Kiungshan (Hainan)
Zamboanga [Mndno] 607 40 59 6 Done Ferry Link to Jolo; Land to 41,58 (Mindinao)












[NW Sumba] NA 27 73 5 Done Ferry Link to Raba
[NW Sumbawa] NA 25 70 5 Done Low Capacity Ferry to Lombok
Pescadores 363 47 44 6 Done High Capacity Ferry to Takao & Taichu
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I "discovered" where Andrew put his ferry in Japan (to Shikoku) - so
I hope to put a HCF (High Capacity Ferry) symbol in the hex.

I also found a strange "bridge" from Nanking EAST to Rugao County China. No such bridge existed - or exists today. The Great Bridge (the rail line) North from Nanking was the farthest downriver bridge until about now - a freeway bridge has been erected (also north South) to Rugao not long ago. I took this bridge out and hope to replace it with a ferry to the SW - to Soochow - the site of the new bridge for the freeway - built on the ferry facilities.

FYI the Great Bridge has ferries! Post war, China feared a Soviet attack on the bridge by air, so it put a strange reserve fleet of ferries in place - rail ferries - that have crews but NEVER sail (except to practice). Sort of "civil reserves" - in case the bridge is damaged! Maybe the only such bridge in the world, it is a truly great bridge - it is double deck and carries motor vehicles as well as double track rail.

The art for mountains up by Chita, in Manchuria and South China looks fabulous. The rail spur that turns into a trail going to Victoria Point now looks right. Only some odds and ends need to be cleared up. And the Bengal and Assam Railway downgraded to a secondary line.
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RE: Land movement between islands & mountains in China (Revised after testing)

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I have added navigable rivers at the following locations:

The Yangze to its traditional terminus for Ocean shipping at Wuhan (Hankow) - including a shipyard at Hankow - and river ports for ocean ships at all downriver points.

The Pearl River one city upriver.

One hex of River north of Bangkok.

The entire Inland Waterway from Vancouver to Port Alice (now Coal Harbor).

I have created a "river ferry" along the Amur from the sea to Nikolaevsk - but while that city has a vital shipyard - I do NOT allow it to have ocean shipping and the shipyards are in Vladavostok. This is because the river is shallow, and ships must complete in Vladavostok - and ocean ships CANNOT sail upriver - even those built there!

There are also river ferries on the upper Yangtze at the few points there is no road or trail acting in the same way. There is no need for them along the other great rivers because trails or roads are present - or there is no ferry system at that point.

Most "ferries" are in fact "invisible trails" - denoted by LCF - for Low Capacity Ferry. Some are "invisible roads" - denoted by HCF - for High Capacity Ferry. Ferries make it possible to move a land unit from the NW tip of Sumatra almost all the way to Timor - not quite. Or from Davao to Viggan on Luzon. The Philippines, and the main chain of Dutch islands, now function as autonimous economic areas, if all held by one side - resources flow to manufacturing centers which then make supplies! [The Philippines has the problem of no oil]. Russia also has a functional economy - because oil now "crosses" from Sakahalin Island to Komsomomlsk na Amur by "ferry" - and then moves to industry - but not very much. ONLY if you move that oil by ship - which is now possible - will the economy function well.
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