The ranks Group Captain through Air Marshal are defined, and it seems perfectly possible to create RAF commanders...
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RAF commanders???
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RAF commanders???
Can someone explain this to me: There doesn't seem to be any RAF commanders in the game - not that I've gone through all of the 20,000 leader entries.
The ranks Group Captain through Air Marshal are defined, and it seems perfectly possible to create RAF commanders...
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The ranks Group Captain through Air Marshal are defined, and it seems perfectly possible to create RAF commanders...
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RE: RAF commanders???
Give it time, I'm sure some Japanese substitutes will become available later.[:D]
RE: RAF commanders???
Aye..you may get some very skilled Japanese Lts...[:D][:D]
"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-
RE: RAF commanders???
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Aye..you may get some very skilled Japanese Lts...[:D][:D]
Yeah..In a thread a few days ago, I made a joking comment about one of my Allied fleets being commanded by the infamous "Lt Tanaka", and some relatively new guy suggested I may be mistaken, as he did not think Lt's could command a fleet!!!!(Words to that effect.)[:D]
Of course, I agree with him, I never met one who could command an M151 all that well..........[X(]
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RE: RAF commanders???
ORIGINAL: timtom
Can someone explain this to me: There doesn't seem to be any RAF commanders in the game - not that I've gone through all of the 20,000 leader entries.
The ranks Group Captain through Air Marshal are defined, and it seems perfectly possible to create RAF commanders...
Because CHS has been delayed yet again, this time to complete some work on the Soviet OOB, I am taking use of the time to add some RAF commanders to the scenario.
Andrew
RE: RAF commanders???
AOC's of HQ's in CHS 1.6
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No 221 Group
Formed 21 Apr 1941 in Burma. Later renamed BURGROUP, reverting to No 221 Group, 15 Dec 1941. Again renamed, this time as NORGROUP, Feb 1942. Disbanded, 12 Mar 1942. Reformed, 12 Mar 1942 as a composite group in India. Renamed first as No 221 (Bomber) Group and later No 221 (Tactical) Group. Disbanded, 30 Sep 1945.
7 Dec 1941 GrpCpt E R Manning (Niehorster)
17 Dec 1941 AVM D F Stevenson
20 Apr 1942 A/Cdre H J F Hunter
1 May 1943 A/Cdre H V Rowley
17 Feb 1944 AVM S F Vincent
15 Jun 1945 AVM C A Bouchier
14 Jul 1945 A/Cdre A M Wray
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No 222 Group
Formed 1 Sep 1941 as No 222 (General Reconnaissance) Group. Disbanded by renaming as AHQ Ceylon, 15 Oct 1945.
13 Mar 1942 AVM J H D'Albiac
1 Dec 1942 AVM A Lees
1 Apr 1944 AVM-AM A Durston
xx Sep 1945 AVM J D Breakey
1 Oct 1945 ?
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No 223 Group
Formed 9 Aug 1941 by renaming AHQ Far East. Renamed NORGROUP, 24 Nov 1941. Reformed, 1 May 1942. as No 223 (Composite) Group by renumbering No 1 (Indian) Group. Renamed No 1 (Indian) Group, 15 Aug 1945.
5 May 1942 A/Cdre P H Mackworth
2 Aug 1942 A/Cdre A Gray
1 May 1943 A/Cdre H J F Hunter
5 Oct 1944 A/Cdre H G Crowe
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No 224 Group
Formed 3 Feb 1942 as No 224 (Fighter) Group. Disbanded, 28 Mar 1942. Reformed 1 Apr 1942 Renamed No 224 (Tactical) Group, 1 Dec 1942. Disbanded by renaming as AHQ Malaya, 30 Sep 1945.
Reformed, 31 Aug 1957 from AHQ Malaya. Disbanded, 1 Oct 1968
7 Dec 1941 GrpCpt E B Price (Niehorster)
18 Jan 1942 A/Cdre S F Vincent
11 Apr 1942 ?
24 Aug 1942 A/Cdre G E Wilson
2 Jan 1943 A/Cdre A Gray
19 Jul 1944 A/Cdre The Earl of Bandon ( P R Gardner)
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No 225 Group
Formed 17 Jan 1942 as No 225 (Bomber) Group by renaming No 223 Group. Disbanded, 28 Mar 1942. Reformed, as No 225 (Composite) Group, 20 Apr 1942. Absorbed No 2 (Indian) Group, 12 Apr 1942. Renamed No 2 (Indian) Group, 1 Oct 1945.
xx Jan 1942 A/Cdre H J F Hunter
30 Jun 1942 A/Cdre A G Bishop
2 Jun 1942 A/Cdre P H Mackworth
16 Aug 1944 AVM N L Desoer
4 May 1945 AVM H N Thornton
5 Nov 1945 A/Cdre E F Waring
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No 231 (Bomber) Group
Formed 13 Dec 1943. Disbanded, 30 Sep 1945.
7 Jan 1944 A/Cdre F J W Mellersh
15 Jun 1945 Maj Gen J T Durrant SAAF
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Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Grp07.htm
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AHQ Bengal
Formed 20 Apr1942. Renamed Tactical Air Force (Burma), 19 Dec 1943.
20 Apr 1942 AVM D F Stevenson
1 Jan 1943 AVM T M Williams
15 Dec 1943 ?
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Tactical Air Force (Burma)/3rd Tactical Air Force (Allied Command)
Tactical Air Force (Burma) formed 19 Dec 1943. Renamed 3rd TAF, 28 Dec 1943. Subordinate to Eastern Air Command. Reduced to HQ RAF Bengal/Burma, 4 Dec 1944.
19 Dec 1943 AM Sir John Baldwin
25 Aug 1944 AM Sir Alec Coryton
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HQ RAF Bengal and Burma
Formed 4 Dec 1944 by renaming 3rd Tactical Air Force. Renamed HQ RAF Burma, 27 Feb 1945 1945.
4 Dec 1944 AM Sir Alec Coryton
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HQ RAF Burma
Formed 27 Feb 1945 by renaming RAF Bengal and Burma. Renamed AHQ Burma, 1 Jun 1945. Disbanded, 31 Dec 1947.
27 Feb 1945 AM Sir Alec Coryton
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AHQ Burma
Formed 1 Jun 1945 by renaming RAF Burma. Disbanded, 31 Dec 1947.
1 Jun 1945 AM Sir Alec Coryton
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Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Cmd_O3.htm
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AOC's of HQ's not in CHS 1.6
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RAF/AHQ Far East
AHQ Far East formed 9 Jan 1941 by renaming RAF Far East. Disbanded 14 Feb 1942.
12 Aug 1938 AVM J T Babington
6 Mar 1941 AVM C W H Pulford
11 Feb 1942 AVM P C Maltby
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American British Dutch Australian Command
Formed 14 Feb 1942 as an Allied Command. RAF units where mainly located in WESGROUP (ex No 221 Group), disbanded 25 Feb 1942 and NORGROUP (ex No's 224 & 225 Groups), disbanded xx Apr 1942.
14 Feb 1942 AM Sir Richard Pierse "His RAF career was brought to a somewhat abrupt end in 1944 when he eloped with the wife of General Sir Claude Auckinleck" - the leader bug strikes again!!!
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AHQ India
Formed 8 Mar 1944 as subordinate formation within ACSEA. Disbanded, xx xxx xxxx. Reformed 1 Apr 1946, taking over the role of BAFSEA, Disbanded 15 Aug 1947.
8 Mar 1944 AVM M Thomas (AOC)
22 Nov 1946 AM Sir Hugh Walmsley (AOC-in-C)
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Air Command South East Asia (Allied Command)
Formed 16 Nov 1943 as South East Asia Air Command to control all Allied air operations in the South East Asia region. Renamed ACSEA, 30 Dec 1943. Renamed Air Command Far East, 30 Sep 1946.
16 Nov 1943 ACM Sir Richard Peirse
27 Nov 1944 AM Sir Guy Garrod (Temporary)
25 May 1945 ACM Sir Keith Park
30 Nov 1945 ACM Sir Keith Park
30 Apr 1946 AM Sir George Pirie
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Eastern Air Command (Allied Command)
Formed 15 Dec 1943, absorbing AHQ Bengal to control 3rd TAF and parts of the 10th Strategic Air Force, USAAF. Subordinate to HQ ACSEA. RAF Units reverted to command of AHQ Burma, 1 Jun 1945.
15 Dec 1943 Gen ? Stratmeyer (USAAF)
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Strategic Air Force (Allied Command)
Formed 16 Dec 1943, Subordinate to Eastern Air Command. Disbanded, 1 Jun 1945.
16 Dec1943 Maj Gen H C Davidson USAAF
20 Jun 1944 A/Cdre F J W Mellersh
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Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Cmd_O3.htm
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No 9 Group RAAF
"A biography of Air Commodore W.H.Garing, C.B.E., D.F.C., FAIM.,D.S.C.(U.S.A.), R.A.A.F. Rtd.
Returned Australia 1941 appointed Senior Staff Officer Headquarters, Northern Area (extended from Netherlands Indies through New Guinea, British Solomons to New Caledonia) 1941;
Commanded No.9 (Operational) Group R.A.A.F. New Guinea 1942; Milne Bay Campaign 1942; Buna Campaign 1942-43 (awarded American D.S.C. by General Macarthur".
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/ozatwar/garing.htm
"RAAF units assigned to the operation (Bismarck Sea) came from No. 9 Operational Group headed by Air Commodore Joe Hewitt. Hewitt, however, had only recently assumed command, so the main Australian planning contribution came from his predecessor, the ebullient and aggressive Group Captain W.H. 'Bull' Garing, whose leadership had been crucial to the RAAF''s contribution to victory at Milne Bay".
http://www.battleforaustralia.org.au/bismarck.html
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No 221 Group
Formed 21 Apr 1941 in Burma. Later renamed BURGROUP, reverting to No 221 Group, 15 Dec 1941. Again renamed, this time as NORGROUP, Feb 1942. Disbanded, 12 Mar 1942. Reformed, 12 Mar 1942 as a composite group in India. Renamed first as No 221 (Bomber) Group and later No 221 (Tactical) Group. Disbanded, 30 Sep 1945.
7 Dec 1941 GrpCpt E R Manning (Niehorster)
17 Dec 1941 AVM D F Stevenson
20 Apr 1942 A/Cdre H J F Hunter
1 May 1943 A/Cdre H V Rowley
17 Feb 1944 AVM S F Vincent
15 Jun 1945 AVM C A Bouchier
14 Jul 1945 A/Cdre A M Wray
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No 222 Group
Formed 1 Sep 1941 as No 222 (General Reconnaissance) Group. Disbanded by renaming as AHQ Ceylon, 15 Oct 1945.
13 Mar 1942 AVM J H D'Albiac
1 Dec 1942 AVM A Lees
1 Apr 1944 AVM-AM A Durston
xx Sep 1945 AVM J D Breakey
1 Oct 1945 ?
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No 223 Group
Formed 9 Aug 1941 by renaming AHQ Far East. Renamed NORGROUP, 24 Nov 1941. Reformed, 1 May 1942. as No 223 (Composite) Group by renumbering No 1 (Indian) Group. Renamed No 1 (Indian) Group, 15 Aug 1945.
5 May 1942 A/Cdre P H Mackworth
2 Aug 1942 A/Cdre A Gray
1 May 1943 A/Cdre H J F Hunter
5 Oct 1944 A/Cdre H G Crowe
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No 224 Group
Formed 3 Feb 1942 as No 224 (Fighter) Group. Disbanded, 28 Mar 1942. Reformed 1 Apr 1942 Renamed No 224 (Tactical) Group, 1 Dec 1942. Disbanded by renaming as AHQ Malaya, 30 Sep 1945.
Reformed, 31 Aug 1957 from AHQ Malaya. Disbanded, 1 Oct 1968
7 Dec 1941 GrpCpt E B Price (Niehorster)
18 Jan 1942 A/Cdre S F Vincent
11 Apr 1942 ?
24 Aug 1942 A/Cdre G E Wilson
2 Jan 1943 A/Cdre A Gray
19 Jul 1944 A/Cdre The Earl of Bandon ( P R Gardner)
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No 225 Group
Formed 17 Jan 1942 as No 225 (Bomber) Group by renaming No 223 Group. Disbanded, 28 Mar 1942. Reformed, as No 225 (Composite) Group, 20 Apr 1942. Absorbed No 2 (Indian) Group, 12 Apr 1942. Renamed No 2 (Indian) Group, 1 Oct 1945.
xx Jan 1942 A/Cdre H J F Hunter
30 Jun 1942 A/Cdre A G Bishop
2 Jun 1942 A/Cdre P H Mackworth
16 Aug 1944 AVM N L Desoer
4 May 1945 AVM H N Thornton
5 Nov 1945 A/Cdre E F Waring
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No 231 (Bomber) Group
Formed 13 Dec 1943. Disbanded, 30 Sep 1945.
7 Jan 1944 A/Cdre F J W Mellersh
15 Jun 1945 Maj Gen J T Durrant SAAF
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Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Grp07.htm
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AHQ Bengal
Formed 20 Apr1942. Renamed Tactical Air Force (Burma), 19 Dec 1943.
20 Apr 1942 AVM D F Stevenson
1 Jan 1943 AVM T M Williams
15 Dec 1943 ?
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Tactical Air Force (Burma)/3rd Tactical Air Force (Allied Command)
Tactical Air Force (Burma) formed 19 Dec 1943. Renamed 3rd TAF, 28 Dec 1943. Subordinate to Eastern Air Command. Reduced to HQ RAF Bengal/Burma, 4 Dec 1944.
19 Dec 1943 AM Sir John Baldwin
25 Aug 1944 AM Sir Alec Coryton
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HQ RAF Bengal and Burma
Formed 4 Dec 1944 by renaming 3rd Tactical Air Force. Renamed HQ RAF Burma, 27 Feb 1945 1945.
4 Dec 1944 AM Sir Alec Coryton
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HQ RAF Burma
Formed 27 Feb 1945 by renaming RAF Bengal and Burma. Renamed AHQ Burma, 1 Jun 1945. Disbanded, 31 Dec 1947.
27 Feb 1945 AM Sir Alec Coryton
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AHQ Burma
Formed 1 Jun 1945 by renaming RAF Burma. Disbanded, 31 Dec 1947.
1 Jun 1945 AM Sir Alec Coryton
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Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Cmd_O3.htm
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AOC's of HQ's not in CHS 1.6
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RAF/AHQ Far East
AHQ Far East formed 9 Jan 1941 by renaming RAF Far East. Disbanded 14 Feb 1942.
12 Aug 1938 AVM J T Babington
6 Mar 1941 AVM C W H Pulford
11 Feb 1942 AVM P C Maltby
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American British Dutch Australian Command
Formed 14 Feb 1942 as an Allied Command. RAF units where mainly located in WESGROUP (ex No 221 Group), disbanded 25 Feb 1942 and NORGROUP (ex No's 224 & 225 Groups), disbanded xx Apr 1942.
14 Feb 1942 AM Sir Richard Pierse "His RAF career was brought to a somewhat abrupt end in 1944 when he eloped with the wife of General Sir Claude Auckinleck" - the leader bug strikes again!!!
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AHQ India
Formed 8 Mar 1944 as subordinate formation within ACSEA. Disbanded, xx xxx xxxx. Reformed 1 Apr 1946, taking over the role of BAFSEA, Disbanded 15 Aug 1947.
8 Mar 1944 AVM M Thomas (AOC)
22 Nov 1946 AM Sir Hugh Walmsley (AOC-in-C)
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Air Command South East Asia (Allied Command)
Formed 16 Nov 1943 as South East Asia Air Command to control all Allied air operations in the South East Asia region. Renamed ACSEA, 30 Dec 1943. Renamed Air Command Far East, 30 Sep 1946.
16 Nov 1943 ACM Sir Richard Peirse
27 Nov 1944 AM Sir Guy Garrod (Temporary)
25 May 1945 ACM Sir Keith Park
30 Nov 1945 ACM Sir Keith Park
30 Apr 1946 AM Sir George Pirie
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Eastern Air Command (Allied Command)
Formed 15 Dec 1943, absorbing AHQ Bengal to control 3rd TAF and parts of the 10th Strategic Air Force, USAAF. Subordinate to HQ ACSEA. RAF Units reverted to command of AHQ Burma, 1 Jun 1945.
15 Dec 1943 Gen ? Stratmeyer (USAAF)
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Strategic Air Force (Allied Command)
Formed 16 Dec 1943, Subordinate to Eastern Air Command. Disbanded, 1 Jun 1945.
16 Dec1943 Maj Gen H C Davidson USAAF
20 Jun 1944 A/Cdre F J W Mellersh
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Source: http://www.rafweb.org/Cmd_O3.htm
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No 9 Group RAAF
"A biography of Air Commodore W.H.Garing, C.B.E., D.F.C., FAIM.,D.S.C.(U.S.A.), R.A.A.F. Rtd.
Returned Australia 1941 appointed Senior Staff Officer Headquarters, Northern Area (extended from Netherlands Indies through New Guinea, British Solomons to New Caledonia) 1941;
Commanded No.9 (Operational) Group R.A.A.F. New Guinea 1942; Milne Bay Campaign 1942; Buna Campaign 1942-43 (awarded American D.S.C. by General Macarthur".
http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/ozatwar/garing.htm
"RAAF units assigned to the operation (Bismarck Sea) came from No. 9 Operational Group headed by Air Commodore Joe Hewitt. Hewitt, however, had only recently assumed command, so the main Australian planning contribution came from his predecessor, the ebullient and aggressive Group Captain W.H. 'Bull' Garing, whose leadership had been crucial to the RAAF''s contribution to victory at Milne Bay".
http://www.battleforaustralia.org.au/bismarck.html
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