AB or standard's map?

[George Patton]

Ok. I didn't check if it was the ext map. I've done it now. I see. As jap player I was not worried about that, but it's better for me now. [;)]

[SGT Swanson]

And now you have joined the converted.[8D]

[Hoplosternum]

I have played more on the Standard Map than ABs. Now while I like ABs map it does play quite differently and this will have an impact on the game, especially depending on peoples play styles.

By reducing the maximum size and especially the starting sizes of many bases this makes defence tougher early on. There are far fewer bases for the IJ to take to secure the Solomons etc and far fewer forward bases that can support any meaningful allied air forces for defence.

Once the allies get their dozens of SeeBees they can rapidly build up anything they still have but early on I think the map can help the Japanese.

I don't want to criticise ABs map though. The addition of Bora Bora etc. are excellent. They certainly give the allies more depth. China and Burma have been significantly slowed which I think are good.

But bare in mind that a general reduction in the number of bases and size of bases will impact how the game plays. Also some things seem to have been designed with an eye on curtailing certain 'abuses' - early allied massed 4E Bomber counter attacks, early conquest of China etc. If you and your opponents play styles don't involve exploiting these you may find the map just helps the Japanese get their perimeter up quicker and easier. By reducing LBAs airbases early you also boost KB even more.

[bradfordkay]

It's time to ask this question:

El Cid's posting seem to indicate that changing the slots used for things in the game can seriously mess up the game. He has shown that by changing the base in the Bataan slot to any other base on Luzon, the USAFFE forces will withdraw to that new destination instead of Bataan.

Andrew, when you created your map, did you just add new base slots at the end of the list, or did you insert them into the lineup and thus change the slot number/location for some of the bases?

I do not claim to understand how the editor works, so this question is being asked in pure curiosity. As you know, I so prefer your map that I cannot bring myself to play the original.

[mlees]

I have a similar question for Andrew. I am playing the CHS/ext AB map. Japanese Amphib TF's have made two landings on Manila hex, and not suffered from the Guns of Corregidor. (I still hold the Bataan hex, although there are IJA units in it.)

Has this GoC feature disappeared?

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
Andrew, when you created your map, did you just add new base slots at the end of the list, or did you insert them into the lineup and thus change the slot number/location for some of the bases?

Keeping in mind that base changes are scenario changes, not map changes, when modding scenarios I add new bases into unused and available base slots, so the existing bases are unchanged in their positions. However there is an exception:

- For CHS (extended map scenario), I put Aden in the Karachi slot, so that it became one of the default reinforcement points for India, as well as a RN ship withdrawal location. Karachi was moved to another slot, so it doesn't perform those functions.

Andrew

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: mlees

I have a similar question for Andrew. I am playing the CHS/ext AB map. Japanese Amphib TF's have made two landings on Manila hex, and not suffered from the Guns of Corregidor. (I still hold the Bataan hex, although there are IJA units in it.)

Has this GoC feature disappeared?

I have seen comments stating that this feature does not work before, even with the official map. I don't know much about this except that, when I originally drew my map, I ensured that the Bataan and Manila hexes were positioned in exactly the same hexes (i.e. X-Y coordinates) as on the official map. I did this in case the Bataan/Manila CD feature was tied to hex coordinates, which I think has since been confirmed. So with the hexes aligned and the bases in the same slots in the database, the feature should work on my map as well as on the official map.

You will need to ask the WitP developers for a certain answer, though.

Andrew

Edit - this feature COULD be related to LCU location in the database as well, and that is something I am working on for the next CHS release - getting as many LCUs in their "official" database slots as possible.

[bradfordkay]

Andrew, thanks for the prompt and frank answers. I had a feeling that the case was as you have stated. I appreciate the effort you are putting into the new CHS release. Take your time...

[mlees]

Very well. Thanks!

[Nikademus]

check supply at Bataan.

[akdreemer]

ORIGINAL: Black Mamba 1942

AB map, CHS and subs.

CHS cut all the ASW weapons by 50%.
So if you are using 1.795 be forewarned that the subs will survive a lot of ASW direct hits.

The extended version allows the off map lanes to be packed with submarines.
At least with the non-extended TF's can be directed away from the edge.
The extended has single lanes that are too easy to interdict.

Personal choice though.
Decide what you are looking for.[;)]

Of course this is the only house rule I actually enforce.. To play this was, as the japanese, is to quickly end playing with me. No subs allowed within 3 hexes of the entrance/exit and none in the lanes.

[mlees]

check supply at Bataan.

Supply was at 5000 or so.

[Black Mamba 1942]

My opponent keeps packing them in there.
It's a no brainer, TF's have to traverse the route.
They should've been made shallow hexes.
This would negate any needed houserules.