A few of you may be that adventurous, and go back to 1901. Everyone knows that I prefer the 1946-60 era, when the game was stable and many hall-of-famers made their mark.
So, what era appeals to you guys? For me, it's the simple fascination of the whole atmosphere as it pertains to the game itself in that era. Forget the social conditions and all that.
What time period appeals to you, whther using fictional or real players? Today's pampered superstars, with free agents and their representatives garnering outlandish salaries, or the reserve clause era in which most of the game's hall of famers played?
As a side question, do you enjoy the competitive bidding for free agents, regardless of era?
Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
Moderator: puresimmer
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
Glenn, everybody of our age group in America saw an era where the absolute best players only made maybe 4 times as much as "Joe Lunchbucket". I cannot in anyway relate to guys who make a million a year for warming a bench.
I have to respect the true greats of baseball history who were able to make the records they did in an age when baseballs could be scuffed to the point of near-invisibility to the batter!
Fellas might break the records of days gone-by, but they will do it in better lighting, for more money, in a possibly taller and more powerful body, and get a helluva lot more "secret rewards" for it.
In those days, it was not al;l about show business, but about a rough sport, where only the strongest survived, (as long as their bodies could hold out.)
My favorites? Very early 1900's to maybe the 1970's.....
I wanna see Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame.
As Ken Burns pointed out, he filled bleacher seats when the public was turning toward football, and the self-appointed righteous of Cooperstown, are hypocrites to ignore him, and allow certain steroid junkies to play for years, publically.[:-]
Hooray for the White Sox, Hooray for Boston.....
Maybe there is hope??
I have to respect the true greats of baseball history who were able to make the records they did in an age when baseballs could be scuffed to the point of near-invisibility to the batter!
Fellas might break the records of days gone-by, but they will do it in better lighting, for more money, in a possibly taller and more powerful body, and get a helluva lot more "secret rewards" for it.
In those days, it was not al;l about show business, but about a rough sport, where only the strongest survived, (as long as their bodies could hold out.)
My favorites? Very early 1900's to maybe the 1970's.....
I wanna see Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame.
As Ken Burns pointed out, he filled bleacher seats when the public was turning toward football, and the self-appointed righteous of Cooperstown, are hypocrites to ignore him, and allow certain steroid junkies to play for years, publically.[:-]
Hooray for the White Sox, Hooray for Boston.....
Maybe there is hope??
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
Bob, don't get me wrong. I am all for the players, and in a free market they can ask for whatever they like . The beauty of games like PureSim is that we can recapture an era that no longer exists, just like SPWaW recrates an era of warfare that is long gone. Was it better? Depends on your point of view. The game players have the option to create a baseball world to suit their own personal preferences. What more could we ask for?
You and I come from the wargaming world, but we are also baseball fans, so we should welcome all the what-ifs and customability that PureSim has to offer.
You and I come from the wargaming world, but we are also baseball fans, so we should welcome all the what-ifs and customability that PureSim has to offer.
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
This might sound sort of backwards, but I am actually in favor of bidding for free agents, and the lavish salaries that are paid to players today in terms of playing out a franchise in a video or computer game (usually using fictional players), although I actually wish sports, not just baseball, could go back to a simpler era where teams were built from the ground up more often than from free agency.
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
My ideal? I want to start with 1901, and play out the entire epic history, baby!
I want to see the deadball era, with pitching reigning supreme...
I want to watch the Babe crush 'em out of the park with ease, while everybody else is still playing small-ball...
I want the Depression to push my team to the brink of financial ruin, while the DiMaggio Yankees draw, and draw, and draw...
I want to lose some of my best players to the War effort...
I want to experience KG's Golden Era, from 46-60...
And then I want to learn, first-hand, what the expansion years were like...
Then I want to live through the hallowed days of my youth, when I could name the 21st man (if not the 25th) on every team in the league, and have the smiles of remembering them...
Then I want to see the 'juiced' era change the game, with the balls flying out with regularity...
And after that, I'd probably retire the association rather than continue on with a fictional world.
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One of the things I've really enjoyed about playing 1901 five or six times in PureSim, is that I've learned a number of things about what the game 'felt' like back then.
I've learned the dimensions and names of the old ballparks...
I've learned the old names of the teams - the Yankees weren't even in New York in 1901!
I've learned that the 'three man rotation' might have been because of the number of off-days, and I've battled the odd old-school schedules with the double-header construction, and Sundays off.
It makes a lot more sense out of the history of the sacrifice bunt, to play 1-0 and 2-1 games.
I'd love to get that level of understanding for each of the many eras.
I want to see the deadball era, with pitching reigning supreme...
I want to watch the Babe crush 'em out of the park with ease, while everybody else is still playing small-ball...
I want the Depression to push my team to the brink of financial ruin, while the DiMaggio Yankees draw, and draw, and draw...
I want to lose some of my best players to the War effort...
I want to experience KG's Golden Era, from 46-60...
And then I want to learn, first-hand, what the expansion years were like...
Then I want to live through the hallowed days of my youth, when I could name the 21st man (if not the 25th) on every team in the league, and have the smiles of remembering them...
Then I want to see the 'juiced' era change the game, with the balls flying out with regularity...
And after that, I'd probably retire the association rather than continue on with a fictional world.
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One of the things I've really enjoyed about playing 1901 five or six times in PureSim, is that I've learned a number of things about what the game 'felt' like back then.
I've learned the dimensions and names of the old ballparks...
I've learned the old names of the teams - the Yankees weren't even in New York in 1901!
I've learned that the 'three man rotation' might have been because of the number of off-days, and I've battled the odd old-school schedules with the double-header construction, and Sundays off.
It makes a lot more sense out of the history of the sacrifice bunt, to play 1-0 and 2-1 games.
I'd love to get that level of understanding for each of the many eras.
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
ORIGINAL: Amaroq
My ideal? I want to start with 1901, and play out the entire epic history, baby!
I want to see the deadball era, with pitching reigning supreme...
I want to watch the Babe crush 'em out of the park with ease, while everybody else is still playing small-ball...
I want the Depression to push my team to the brink of financial ruin, while the DiMaggio Yankees draw, and draw, and draw...
I want to lose some of my best players to the War effort...
I want to experience KG's Golden Era, from 46-60...
And then I want to learn, first-hand, what the expansion years were like...
Then I want to live through the hallowed days of my youth, when I could name the 21st man (if not the 25th) on every team in the league, and have the smiles of remembering them...
Then I want to see the 'juiced' era change the game, with the balls flying out with regularity...
And after that, I'd probably retire the association rather than continue on with a fictional world.
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One of the things I've really enjoyed about playing 1901 five or six times in PureSim, is that I've learned a number of things about what the game 'felt' like back then.
I've learned the dimensions and names of the old ballparks...
I've learned the old names of the teams - the Yankees weren't even in New York in 1901!
I've learned that the 'three man rotation' might have been because of the number of off-days, and I've battled the odd old-school schedules with the double-header construction, and Sundays off.
It makes a lot more sense out of the history of the sacrifice bunt, to play 1-0 and 2-1 games.
I'd love to get that level of understanding for each of the many eras.
My hat is off to a true Baseball fan............[&o]
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
It'd take me freakin' forever, I'm sure! [:D]
But the point is, I've learned a LOT about the 1901-1910 era through PureSim... and I'd love to learn that much about all 100 years of baseball history, and feel like I'd achieved that kind of understanding for all of it, but i'm nowhere near that (yet).
But the point is, I've learned a LOT about the 1901-1910 era through PureSim... and I'd love to learn that much about all 100 years of baseball history, and feel like I'd achieved that kind of understanding for all of it, but i'm nowhere near that (yet).
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
If I had to chose a decade I think it would be the '60s.
Quote from Snigbert -
"If you mess with the historical accuracy, you're going to have ahistorical outcomes."
"I'll say it again for Sonny's sake: If you mess with historical accuracy, you're going to have
ahistorical outcomes. "
"If you mess with the historical accuracy, you're going to have ahistorical outcomes."
"I'll say it again for Sonny's sake: If you mess with historical accuracy, you're going to have
ahistorical outcomes. "
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
sorry didnt mean to write a book, but its typed now, so im not goona just erase it LOL [:D]
Im like Amaroq,
When I first bought Puresim, the first thing i wanted to do was run a season with all all-time greats. but after days of importing players, and such, i changed my mind. I started an ASC. from 1901. I started out by creating each 1901 ballpark from scratch with the best photos i could find on the internet. it took along while but ive got a nice set of them all.
It was strange in that I hardly knew ANY of the players, and they may as well have been fictional to me. (save a few HOFers id heard of the some guy named Cy).
after a few seasons i realized i had missed out on 3 decades of Great players from the 1870s-1900 so I imported all of 1871 rosters into the free agent market and let the teams pick and choose. (for my Tigers i picked up a fella named Ross Barnes who played 2nd base and hit about .370 over 20 years for me, very nice)
when many of these guys retired, I imported all of the 1887 teams in the same manner.
to make room for all the extra star power i continued to expand my ASC. at almost every step and by the 1930s had about 24 teams. including the Homestead Greys and Yomiuri (Tokyo) Giants. Why the Negroe and Japanese league team? Because by the 1930s, i had created a few of the all time greats from each of those leagues as well. and by the 40s I had created almost all the great negroe league greats and many many of the Japanese greats as well (mostly japanese pitchers) as the Hitting was getting out of control....Guys like Victor Starfin (russian born actually) and Masiachi Kaneda helped check Josh Gibson and Double duty Radcliffe. ( i saved Sadaharu Oh and Shiegeo Nagashima for the 60s )
through the Golden Era I found it very exciting as the draft now featured players id actually heard of from my childhood. im into the early 70s now most all of the Negroe and Japanese Leagers have Retired, and their places being taken by a younger group of guys I can relate too. Heres where more fun starts. As a kid i knew who all the stars were in the league, and i could, like Amaroq name all the players in the league (especially the American league) but i didnt know alot about them all. how good were they, sure i knew the stars, but the rookies, the role players, i didnt know what they looked like, i find myself looking at this guy or that guy coming into my league with a 100 Potential and saying "who the heck is that" and then finding out about how they were injured in their first 2 seasons and were never the same......how this or that changed the course of a HOF career so early on..... Herb Score was my Tigers Ace for about 16 seasons leading the league in strike outs for almost all of them, he is the career leader in Ks with over 4000. Most of you know Herb Score was a Phenom who after hitting (and killing??) a batter in the head, was never the same again.
Ive learned neat little things like the term "Ace" pitcher comes from the earliest of baseball lore back in the 1860-70s. a fella named Asa Brainard dominated leagues everywhere, the best pitcher of his times. as he was his teams best pitcher, other teams started refering the thier own best pitcher as their own "Asa" a couple decades later and every teams best pitcher is called their Ace. Wouldnt have known that without puresim!
(didnt change my life or anything, but when I meet up with that mailman in Cheers, I will hold my own!)
its taken awhile to get to the 70s (most of a year) ( and probably seems that way just to have read this far, thanks for looking this far) I mostly quick sim each game or sometimes weeks, although One season i played every game because i wanted to see if Micky Mantle in his prime could steal 130 bases and set the all time record for me. He did, and hit 33 Homers too. He came back the next season and set the HR record at 50. although that has since been eclipsed and the single season record now stands at 51. The Mick did set the all time HR record at 528, with Say Hey Willie Mays right behind him at 519. Ruth only managed 380 starting from 1918 I had him pitch until then then retired the bambino and recreated him as a hitter.
Lloyd Waner is currently the all time Avg leader at .337. Ty Cobb didnt even make the top 10. Ruth did though at .331 good for a 2nd place tie with Josh Gibson. Lave Cross and Eddie Collins fill in the bottom of that ten man list.
Ralph Kiner is my current all Time Slugger with a .533 slg. Ted Williams is the all Time OBS, and BB Most hits? that is in fact Ty Cobb with over 4300(far ahead of second place). Mel Ott was the Home Run King for a dozen seasons before being passed by Mantle and Mays, but he is still the all time RBI king, Williams was just 28 behind him when he retired. Mantle and Waner are the only guys to ever steal over 1000 bases with mantle besting Waner by about 80 or so.
All time Wins goes to the one and Only Satchel Paige. He just nudged Chief Bender and Christy Mathewson, these three being the only ones over 300.
The Strike out king was also Paige for along time, and it seems i made a few created pitchers arms to strong as the top ten is heavey in that way. But Herb Score has out done them all and the top K man by more than 900. 4901 so far and he plans on pitching one more season out of Detroits bull pen can he reach 5000 K......? WOW Created players Jose Mendez and Kazuhisa Inao share room with Koufax and Feller on the rest of this list.
Mordechi Brown started Closing out games for the Tigers almost from the day he was drafted in 1903 (what a great draft year that is) He is the all time saves leader at 689.
Hoyt Wilhelm tried to catch him but fell about 40 short...oh but for one more season Hoyt, although he did pitch until he was 45 years old! Dick Calmus looked good on draft day for the Tigers in the early 60s and he has been closing games for me ever since. Can he make a mark in the books? time will tell.
some records look safe and some seem like they are in reach currently. Harmen Killebrew is only 33 Homers all time from Catching the Mick, but hes slowing down fast...
George Ruths singe season Avg. of .408 stands at the top and probably will hold for along time to come. And Jimmie Foxs seasons of 150 and 151 RBI seem safe as well. Herb Score is the single season leader in Ks for 9 out of the 10 listed. amazing Pitcher Steve Swetonic appeard in 105 games for the Seattle Pilots in 1936 makes my arm ach to think it! and heres a wild one, Luis Tiant Sr. (created Negroe leaguer) made 30 Quality starts in 1957!
In ending, i want to say that like Amaroq, I was always a baseball fan. But Puresim has taken me to a new level of fandom. While i cant afford to drive downtown to Comerica Park and watch the millionares lollygag (sorry thats what millionare tigers have been doing for 15 years anyway), i can recreate my own history on the laptop for about 30$
32 championship in 72 seasons....it doesnt get any better than this.
when i retire most of todays stars in about the year 2015 or so i will retire this Asc. and start anew.
I will keep the 140 game scheduale. I will try the reserve clause next time. And i am going to put my created players in as they emerged in their respective Leagues instead of dumping them in all at once. I will also keep the number of teams down as well. 30 is just to many.
thanks Shuan for all the fun, and,
thanks for reading
Im like Amaroq,
When I first bought Puresim, the first thing i wanted to do was run a season with all all-time greats. but after days of importing players, and such, i changed my mind. I started an ASC. from 1901. I started out by creating each 1901 ballpark from scratch with the best photos i could find on the internet. it took along while but ive got a nice set of them all.
It was strange in that I hardly knew ANY of the players, and they may as well have been fictional to me. (save a few HOFers id heard of the some guy named Cy).
after a few seasons i realized i had missed out on 3 decades of Great players from the 1870s-1900 so I imported all of 1871 rosters into the free agent market and let the teams pick and choose. (for my Tigers i picked up a fella named Ross Barnes who played 2nd base and hit about .370 over 20 years for me, very nice)
when many of these guys retired, I imported all of the 1887 teams in the same manner.
to make room for all the extra star power i continued to expand my ASC. at almost every step and by the 1930s had about 24 teams. including the Homestead Greys and Yomiuri (Tokyo) Giants. Why the Negroe and Japanese league team? Because by the 1930s, i had created a few of the all time greats from each of those leagues as well. and by the 40s I had created almost all the great negroe league greats and many many of the Japanese greats as well (mostly japanese pitchers) as the Hitting was getting out of control....Guys like Victor Starfin (russian born actually) and Masiachi Kaneda helped check Josh Gibson and Double duty Radcliffe. ( i saved Sadaharu Oh and Shiegeo Nagashima for the 60s )
through the Golden Era I found it very exciting as the draft now featured players id actually heard of from my childhood. im into the early 70s now most all of the Negroe and Japanese Leagers have Retired, and their places being taken by a younger group of guys I can relate too. Heres where more fun starts. As a kid i knew who all the stars were in the league, and i could, like Amaroq name all the players in the league (especially the American league) but i didnt know alot about them all. how good were they, sure i knew the stars, but the rookies, the role players, i didnt know what they looked like, i find myself looking at this guy or that guy coming into my league with a 100 Potential and saying "who the heck is that" and then finding out about how they were injured in their first 2 seasons and were never the same......how this or that changed the course of a HOF career so early on..... Herb Score was my Tigers Ace for about 16 seasons leading the league in strike outs for almost all of them, he is the career leader in Ks with over 4000. Most of you know Herb Score was a Phenom who after hitting (and killing??) a batter in the head, was never the same again.
Ive learned neat little things like the term "Ace" pitcher comes from the earliest of baseball lore back in the 1860-70s. a fella named Asa Brainard dominated leagues everywhere, the best pitcher of his times. as he was his teams best pitcher, other teams started refering the thier own best pitcher as their own "Asa" a couple decades later and every teams best pitcher is called their Ace. Wouldnt have known that without puresim!
(didnt change my life or anything, but when I meet up with that mailman in Cheers, I will hold my own!)
its taken awhile to get to the 70s (most of a year) ( and probably seems that way just to have read this far, thanks for looking this far) I mostly quick sim each game or sometimes weeks, although One season i played every game because i wanted to see if Micky Mantle in his prime could steal 130 bases and set the all time record for me. He did, and hit 33 Homers too. He came back the next season and set the HR record at 50. although that has since been eclipsed and the single season record now stands at 51. The Mick did set the all time HR record at 528, with Say Hey Willie Mays right behind him at 519. Ruth only managed 380 starting from 1918 I had him pitch until then then retired the bambino and recreated him as a hitter.
Lloyd Waner is currently the all time Avg leader at .337. Ty Cobb didnt even make the top 10. Ruth did though at .331 good for a 2nd place tie with Josh Gibson. Lave Cross and Eddie Collins fill in the bottom of that ten man list.
Ralph Kiner is my current all Time Slugger with a .533 slg. Ted Williams is the all Time OBS, and BB Most hits? that is in fact Ty Cobb with over 4300(far ahead of second place). Mel Ott was the Home Run King for a dozen seasons before being passed by Mantle and Mays, but he is still the all time RBI king, Williams was just 28 behind him when he retired. Mantle and Waner are the only guys to ever steal over 1000 bases with mantle besting Waner by about 80 or so.
All time Wins goes to the one and Only Satchel Paige. He just nudged Chief Bender and Christy Mathewson, these three being the only ones over 300.
The Strike out king was also Paige for along time, and it seems i made a few created pitchers arms to strong as the top ten is heavey in that way. But Herb Score has out done them all and the top K man by more than 900. 4901 so far and he plans on pitching one more season out of Detroits bull pen can he reach 5000 K......? WOW Created players Jose Mendez and Kazuhisa Inao share room with Koufax and Feller on the rest of this list.
Mordechi Brown started Closing out games for the Tigers almost from the day he was drafted in 1903 (what a great draft year that is) He is the all time saves leader at 689.
Hoyt Wilhelm tried to catch him but fell about 40 short...oh but for one more season Hoyt, although he did pitch until he was 45 years old! Dick Calmus looked good on draft day for the Tigers in the early 60s and he has been closing games for me ever since. Can he make a mark in the books? time will tell.
some records look safe and some seem like they are in reach currently. Harmen Killebrew is only 33 Homers all time from Catching the Mick, but hes slowing down fast...
George Ruths singe season Avg. of .408 stands at the top and probably will hold for along time to come. And Jimmie Foxs seasons of 150 and 151 RBI seem safe as well. Herb Score is the single season leader in Ks for 9 out of the 10 listed. amazing Pitcher Steve Swetonic appeard in 105 games for the Seattle Pilots in 1936 makes my arm ach to think it! and heres a wild one, Luis Tiant Sr. (created Negroe leaguer) made 30 Quality starts in 1957!
In ending, i want to say that like Amaroq, I was always a baseball fan. But Puresim has taken me to a new level of fandom. While i cant afford to drive downtown to Comerica Park and watch the millionares lollygag (sorry thats what millionare tigers have been doing for 15 years anyway), i can recreate my own history on the laptop for about 30$
32 championship in 72 seasons....it doesnt get any better than this.
when i retire most of todays stars in about the year 2015 or so i will retire this Asc. and start anew.
I will keep the 140 game scheduale. I will try the reserve clause next time. And i am going to put my created players in as they emerged in their respective Leagues instead of dumping them in all at once. I will also keep the number of teams down as well. 30 is just to many.
thanks Shuan for all the fun, and,
thanks for reading
thanks,
Dave
Dave
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
Love the details Dave...Glad to hear you like the Negro League too.
Ken Burns documentary claimed Satchel Paige played against the Yankees 1st string, and struck them all out, (and this was THE Yankee team of the 20's!!!!)
By the time Paige got to play in the majors, he was already an old man, and made great numbers then as well.............
Lotta room for a lotta "what if" team line-ups............
("Double-Duty", get off that bench!!!!)
Ken Burns documentary claimed Satchel Paige played against the Yankees 1st string, and struck them all out, (and this was THE Yankee team of the 20's!!!!)
By the time Paige got to play in the majors, he was already an old man, and made great numbers then as well.............
Lotta room for a lotta "what if" team line-ups............
("Double-Duty", get off that bench!!!!)
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
actually, oscar Charleston was much better than radcliffe in my asc., but Josh Gibson was the best hitter i think. he didnt get as many homers as hae might have, but he is the guy tied with Ruth for #2 in all time Avg, 331
I have enjoyed learning about the Japanese as much as the Negroe leagues, including guys like Iiji Sawamura, who struck out alot of Yankees when they would tour Japan pre-war. Some of Japans greatest players and players with great potential were killed in action or other wise had shortend careers fromWW2.
(as many americans as well)
I have enjoyed learning about the Japanese as much as the Negroe leagues, including guys like Iiji Sawamura, who struck out alot of Yankees when they would tour Japan pre-war. Some of Japans greatest players and players with great potential were killed in action or other wise had shortend careers fromWW2.
(as many americans as well)
thanks,
Dave
Dave
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
I also play long Lahman careers from 1901-onwards, and switch around teams to control.
I'm glad to hear that the rsults are anything BUT hard-wired in. In my association, Ted Williams was unstoppable for about 15 years, including hitting .440 one year. He hit over .400 eight times total.
Eddie Mathews is the all-time HR leader, with an amazing 953.
Chief Bender is the ONLY pitcher to ever have 300 wins(304). Milt Pappas retired with 297.
The single-season HR record is 73 (in 1977!) EDIT: by Tony Conigliaro. At number two is Rocky Colavito with 64(in 1965).
Walter Johnson retired with over 6000 Ks.
I'm glad to hear that the rsults are anything BUT hard-wired in. In my association, Ted Williams was unstoppable for about 15 years, including hitting .440 one year. He hit over .400 eight times total.
Eddie Mathews is the all-time HR leader, with an amazing 953.
Chief Bender is the ONLY pitcher to ever have 300 wins(304). Milt Pappas retired with 297.
The single-season HR record is 73 (in 1977!) EDIT: by Tony Conigliaro. At number two is Rocky Colavito with 64(in 1965).
Walter Johnson retired with over 6000 Ks.
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RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
ORIGINAL: 33sherman
I also play long Lahman careers from 1901-onwards, and switch around teams to control.
I'm glad to hear that the rsults are anything BUT hard-wired in. In my association, Ted Williams was unstoppable for about 15 years, including hitting .440 one year. He hit over .400 eight times total.
Eddie Mathews is the all-time HR leader, with an amazing 953.
Chief Bender is the ONLY pitcher to ever have 300 wins(304). Milt Pappas retired with 297.
The single-season HR record is 73 (in 1977!). At number two is Rocky Colavito with 64(in 1965).
Walter Johnson retired with over 6000 Ks.
I've never been interested in the historical aspect of a baseball sim, be it Puresim or OOTP.. but this time I'm definitly all for controlling the Cardinals from 1901 - on. It would be so neat to get to the 20th century and see who's been the greats from my Puresim career.. and then onto the future with fictional players.
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
ORIGINAL: 33sherman
I'm glad to hear that the rsults are anything BUT hard-wired in.
Definitely not! I've had some wildly varying careers - everything after the player creation is non-deterministic.
redeck, thanks for the great read. I was, just this morning, reading a tribute to Josh Gibson, and was thinking of importing the greats of the Negro leagues, Paige, Gibson, et.al, and it was wonderful to read your experiences.
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
Amaroq, you say Import Negroe league greats. are they in the Lahmen datase somewhere? I created them myself and found this very time consuming researching each players abilities. most fielding ratings were guesed or estimated.
also i peeled back the ages of many players who either started careers. guys like quincey troupe and monte Irwin who played MLB but only after many years in the Negroe leagues. i rolled back their age and increased their potential. I also did this for Cy Young and a few others who in 1901 were already over 30 years old.
also i peeled back the ages of many players who either started careers. guys like quincey troupe and monte Irwin who played MLB but only after many years in the Negroe leagues. i rolled back their age and increased their potential. I also did this for Cy Young and a few others who in 1901 were already over 30 years old.
thanks,
Dave
Dave
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
to update my story, Herb Score did get his 5000 K and about 50 more. A great Career that will end this season. Strangley he wont make the top 10 in wins though with only 270.
thanks,
Dave
Dave
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
Great reading! For my tastes, I started using real players who appeared from 1969 to present, assigning and importing players onto 10, then 12, now 14 teams. I let the AI play all the games, selecting some games each season and postseason to watch. Setting up the assn. as multi-player with all teams human-controlled gives me the flexibility to do some things "outside the box". I basically act as commissioner and have implemented my own systems for salary arbitration and free agency.
Vida Blue '71 retired with 399 wins. I confess that I did intervene and promote him halfway through his final season, hoping he would get # 400. While assigned to the bullpen, he was basically the mop-up man for a couple weeks, until one of the starters got injured. Blue got the nod and actually went into the 6th with the lead. Alas, it was not to be. He gave up a 5-spot and got the loss. I guess the AI didn't think to pull him after 5 innings.[;)]
Reggie Smith '69 set tons of batting and power marks before he retired. These were broken by another switch-hitting power man, Eddie Murray '77, who hit over .400 several times and holds the all-time HR mark at 1100. No, I'm no Orioles or Murray fan; he did it "on his own".
My all time K leader is Bert Blyleven, who's still active (40-something yrs. old). He broke the long standing K record of Dwight Gooden.
I'm about to start my 56th season, so I have a lot of things to look at when 2006 and its almanac hit the market. Since players for my assn. must have 50 IP or 100 AB in a season to be eligible to "play", I'll theoretically run out of eligible players in a few "years". I'll most likely start back at 1969, using real players on their actual teams. I want to see how things turn out without free agency coming into play. Of particular interest will be the Oakland A's of the mid-to-late 70's. How many titles would their (mostly home-grown) talent have generated without free agency?
Vida Blue '71 retired with 399 wins. I confess that I did intervene and promote him halfway through his final season, hoping he would get # 400. While assigned to the bullpen, he was basically the mop-up man for a couple weeks, until one of the starters got injured. Blue got the nod and actually went into the 6th with the lead. Alas, it was not to be. He gave up a 5-spot and got the loss. I guess the AI didn't think to pull him after 5 innings.[;)]
Reggie Smith '69 set tons of batting and power marks before he retired. These were broken by another switch-hitting power man, Eddie Murray '77, who hit over .400 several times and holds the all-time HR mark at 1100. No, I'm no Orioles or Murray fan; he did it "on his own".
My all time K leader is Bert Blyleven, who's still active (40-something yrs. old). He broke the long standing K record of Dwight Gooden.
I'm about to start my 56th season, so I have a lot of things to look at when 2006 and its almanac hit the market. Since players for my assn. must have 50 IP or 100 AB in a season to be eligible to "play", I'll theoretically run out of eligible players in a few "years". I'll most likely start back at 1969, using real players on their actual teams. I want to see how things turn out without free agency coming into play. Of particular interest will be the Oakland A's of the mid-to-late 70's. How many titles would their (mostly home-grown) talent have generated without free agency?
"Better to sleep with old hen than pullet" - Redd Foxx
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
No, redeck, I don't think they're available like that - I'd've been creating them the same way you did.
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
<kicking invisable pebble like Joe D.> thought maybe there was a way to get something out of Lahmen i didnt know how to do. I know there are more than just the player stats in Lahmen, didnt think negroe league stats were in there but who knows.......[X(]
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Dave
Dave
RE: Recreating Baseball's History In Your Own Image
at age 42 Hank Aaron sits exactly 30 Homers behind Micky Mantle for the all time mark, will he catch him, or has his age finally caught up.....stay tuned
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Dave
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