The Thread

[demonterico]

D@mn!! The game is not here this morning.

[scott64]

Took business law in college, big whopping 2000 page book. [X(]

[dtravel]

Lazy sunday tithe. *runs away quickly before he can be beaten up by those having to work*

[DuckofTindalos]

Sprays a few minigun bullets in dtravel's general direction...

[rtrapasso]

Just finished Shattered Sword- interesting stuff!

Sort of firms up notions i had semi-formulated, and punctures a lot of myths...

[dtravel]

"Time to unpimp the auto. *pant pant*"

[dtravel]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Sprays a few minigun bullets in dtravel's general direction...

*shields himself with his ship repair spreadsheets. nothing can penetrate those*

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Just finished Shattered Sword- interesting stuff!

Sort of firms up notions i had semi-formulated, and punctures a lot of myths...

Care to share what that notion is and what the myths are...maybe we can actually talk about something related to WitP.

[Mynok]

Bite thy tongue, brother! This is a WiTP-free zone. [:D]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Mynok


Bite thy tongue, brother! This is a WiTP-free zone. [:D]

Now, now, with Mr. Frag no longer our protecting moderator, we must take on some protective coloration on occasion...[;)]

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: niceguy2005

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Just finished Shattered Sword- interesting stuff!

Sort of firms up notions i had semi-formulated, and punctures a lot of myths...

Care to share what that notion is and what the myths are...maybe we can actually talk about something related to WitP.

Myths - well OK, there are several common ones associated with the battle, which seemed to have arisen mainly from one guy (Fuchida) who had an agenda when he published his book that intorduced the myths to the English-speaking world:
1. The American triumphed over overwhelming odds;
2. Adm. Yamamota devised the Aleutian campaign as a diversion to lure the Americans fleet out of Pearl Harbor;
3. During the transit to Midway, Adm. Yamamota had important intel information from Adm. Nagumo (commander of the K.B.);
4. Had the IJN implemented a 2-phase search pattern, they would have found the US fleet in time to defeat them;
5. The late launch of Tone scout plane #4 doomed Adm. Nagumo to defeat;
6. Had Admiral Nagumo not rearmed his planes with land-attack weapons, he would have been in a position to attack the US fleet when it was discovered;
7. The sacrifice of Torpedo 8 was not in vain, since it brought the CAP down to sea level, thereby allowing the divebombers to attack without fighter opposition;
8. The IJN elite carrier aviators were all but wiped out in the battle.

[rtrapasso]

Whew... anyway, the authors carefully explored all these myths and punctured them all.

Fuchida published his work as soon as censorship was lifted in Japan, apparently to regain some respect for the IJN (and for himself). His theory was (in short): "oh, it was a miracle we were defeated, brought on by the Gods of War, so we really weren't to blame."

[rtrapasso]

Oh yeah, the other "myth", not mentioned by the authors, but one in my mind - the bombardment of Midway, which (sort of) justified all the nuclear bombardments in WITP (where IJN ships in particular will run up, smash your airbase, run away) NEVER TOOK PLACE!!![X(][8|][:o][:@]

It was ordered, but aborted... Only bombardment was an IJN sub that fired 6 shells "mainly into the lagoon".

Does ANYONE have any example of IJN major fleet units (say DD or above) conducting bombardment attacks when NOT involved in supporting troops (ie... did the IJN ever do a bombardment attack when Japanese troops were not present?)

[rtrapasso]

Also: did the IJN ever use air power to support a landing with tactical air support?

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Also: did the IJN ever use air power to support a landing with tactical air support?

Thanks Robert, sounds like a good read.

[DuckofTindalos]

Monday Morning Tithe...[:@]

[dtravel]

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Myths - well OK, there are several common ones associated with the battle, which seemed to have arisen mainly from one guy (Fuchida) who had an agenda when he published his book that intorduced the myths to the English-speaking world:

2. Adm. Yamamota devised the Aleutian campaign as a diversion to lure the Americans fleet out of Pearl Harbor;

Really? Then what was the Aleutian campaign?

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: dtravel

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

Myths - well OK, there are several common ones associated with the battle, which seemed to have arisen mainly from one guy (Fuchida) who had an agenda when he published his book that intorduced the myths to the English-speaking world:

2. Adm. Yamamota devised the Aleutian campaign as a diversion to lure the Americans fleet out of Pearl Harbor;

Really? Then what was the Aleutian campaign?

it was a plan forced on Yamamoto by Adm. Nagano, Head of the Navy, who was (supposedly) Adm. Yamamoto's superior. The Navy also forced carrier support of the Port Moresby operation, leading to the Battle of Coral Sea. The unavailability of 2 fleet carriers (and a CVL) was a contributing factor to the IJN defeat at Midway.

[rtrapasso]

Early Morning Tithe!!

[RUPD3658]

ORIGINAL: niceguy2005

in my biz law class they combined law and ethics...

Is it wrong to cheat on this exam? [:-]
[:D]