Lunacy AND Shrewdness

[aztez]

I think you will receive those units scheduled to other cities. If I'am correct they should arrive at Karachi.

It really sounds like a bad situation [8|] ...He does control Bangalore, Madras region???

Can you post an screenshot on situation at India?

Have he made any serious offensives in Eastern part of Inda or is he just pushing up through Madras area towards Karachi?

[itsjustme]

I'll try and post a screenshot from the next turn. He controls bangalore and will control Madras after the next turn. No real push from Eastern India and all of my divisions (save one holding Ledo) are now moving north to Karachi and Bombay along with their support units. If I can hold Karachi until the british reinforcements begin to show (already two full UK divisions prepped to 100 and with ft. lvl 9 at Karachi) I can at least tie down a ton of his forces.

[aztez]

ORIGINAL: itsjustme

I'll try and post a screenshot from the next turn. He controls bangalore and will control Madras after the next turn. No real push from Eastern India and all of my divisions (save one holding Ledo) are now moving north to Karachi and Bombay along with their support units. If I can hold Karachi until the british reinforcements begin to show (already two full UK divisions prepped to 100 and with ft. lvl 9 at Karachi) I can at least tie down a ton of his forces.

I think it is wise backtrack those units back from Ledo area. It is early on in the war... March 1942? That means you will find it tough going since British really lack infantry.

Btw do you have adequate fighter cover in India?

He will be coming with force and 2 UK Divisions will not be enough to stop him for significant amount of time.

Good luck though. Hopefully you can pull this one off [:)]

[itsjustme]

Yes, we are in March of 1942. I don't know whether or not those Indian Divisions will make it to Karachi before Nemo, but I may have an opportunity to cut his units off for a while with those units. As to holding out, I think you'll be surprised. I won't have a supply problem in Karachi, its currently a level 9 fortress. Combine that with two divisions with about 340AV each, fully prepped for Karachi, plus the urban bonus, plus the HQ bonus? I suspect he will have a harder time than he thinks. I only need to hold for another 35 days before additional AV reinforcements show up.

Not nearly enough fighter cover in India, but I do have a good bit. Biggest problem is I left him alot of fuel to refuel the KB in Tricom (and he'll get more when he takes columbo).

It'll be very interesting. That said, I will ultimately win. There's not much he can do to stop the ultimate flood of men and material from the CONUS.

[Capt. Harlock]

It'll be very interesting. That said, I will ultimately win. There's not much he can do to stop the ultimate flood of men and material from the CONUS.

He will, however, be able to claim a moral victory at the end of 1942 when his points are enough for the auto-win rule. It's a great pity about your losses in the Indian Ocean: I was hoping to see the RN give a better account of itself. How soon do you get Spitfires for your fighter squadrons in the area?

[itsjustme]

I suspect that Nemo will not claim a moral victory. This game was intended to be an Anarchy game from the outset. As I think Nemo would readily admit, without the full exploitation of the movement opportunities in the first turn, we would still be fighting over the DEI. This, however, is the game I agreed to and the discussion all along has been that we are not playing for points.

Spitfires are a ways off, and the Royal Navy just simply wasn't able to catch the IJN fleeton the invasion beaches. One day here or there and things would have been different, but alas, such are the fortunes of war. I suspect again that Nemo would agree that he was more lucky than good as the surface engagements go. He did, however, exploit his good fortune VERY well.

[mogami]

Hi, I doubt also that without using Kwantung units in China he would not have won there as rapidly as he has been doing. And without using the map edge he would not be as successful. And without the first turn move he would not be in the line Islands and without looking at Allied deployments before turn 1 he would not have been able to be as exact in his force selection the list goes on. This type of game is fun (for the Japanese player) but you have to really enjoy pain to have fun as Allied player.

I hope you are able to counter some where before 1 Jan 1943. without the CBI/China/Soviets to worry about he can send massive land forces to all points of the map making it difficut for any Allied landings.

[veji1]

To me the main issue is the map edge use... All the other things in an "anarchy rules" game are fine by me... As Trey put it though, IF he can bottle up in Karachi, with all the ground forces he has, it will be a tough nut to crack For NEmo, and he'll have the SAA very far from Pacific... Which means localised Counterattacks could be very efficient and get Trey staging point in the Pac for later on campaign... I guess KB will soon leave the Indian ocean for a bit of RR, and then head east.. So it might be time to strike... India is now about tying down the SAA as long as possible

[itsjustme]

Just for the record, I agreed to this kind of game. I have no problem with Nemo's tactics. I'll win, the only question is how long will it take. And don't think I haven't been using the games mechanics to my own benefit. For instance, if I can hold on to Karachi for about 4 more weeks, he is going to be pleasantly surprised when he finds a number of chinese divisions respawning in Karachi. A number have already respawned in Russia. [:D]

There are some attacks coming before too long that will at least push the perimeter back a touch. Johnson and Palmyra appear to be heavily defended, so I am trying to ensure that I have enough firepower to do the job correctly. Particularly for clearing out what appears to be a million mines at both places.

[Rob Brennan UK]

Chinese respawn in Karachi ?? and russia ?? .. i never knew that ! well good for you 'itsjustme' .. Nemo is playing a very calculating game, i think you'll do well in the long run if you can hold out long enough.

[itsjustme]

They do if you change their responsible commands.....[8D]

[aztez]

Just don't loose India or your comeback will be somewhat difficult [;)]


Your opponent can free up way too many divisions and supporting units. He can place some divisions to important Atolls and you will have it tough going by then.

As said good luck and hopefully you can pull off this "miracle" at India. I would recommend you to read PzB's thread. There are lessons to be learned concerning India.

I do actually agree with Mogami.

[Ron Saueracker]

ABs extended map really hinders the Japanese ability to pull this kind of map edge funny business, at least regarding bases. Convoys are still an issue but if a Jap player wants to limit his CVs to the Indian Ocean just to prevent unneeded supply convoys to OZ (even in CHS OZ has too much supply generation), be my guest![:D]

[itsjustme]

Long time between posts. Sometimes life does intrude....

A brief update is warranted, but I really have more of a question for the board.

First, the update.

India is in real trouble. Nemo's first armored unit is on Karachi's doorstep. So, let me tell you what is currently in Karachi:

2 full strength UK divisions
2 understrength indian divisions (but which should grow somewhat due to the overwhelming support and unlimited supply)
partial armored brigade that should regrow to a full brigade once bombay falls (which is where the rest of the brigade is)
All of the support and engineering units I could want.
800,000 supply and growing
level 9 fort.
appropriate HQ support.
Everything is prepped for Karachi at 100

Seems like this should hold for sometime. So, the question is for how long. If the consensus is that it will hold for more than 60 days (currently in late march '42) then I am going to transfer some american units there. If not, I will just try and hold with what I have and what's coming.

So, I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this.

More to come on the interesting happenings in eastern pacific.

[Sneer]

Royal navy ?
RAF?

[itsjustme]

Royal Navy got plastered off the coast of tricom. 1 fully operational British CV, 3 BB with sytem damage between 20-30, 2 CA and 1 CLAA with 20-30 system damage and 0-20 floatation damage. 8DD's pretty much unscathed. Various and assorted support vessels, but that's it.

RAF consists of 80 modern fighters, 180 FB's of varying quality with the majority being hurris. 80 level bombers (mostly wellingtons and hudsons) and 24 TB's

[aztez]

ORIGINAL: itsjustme

Royal Navy got plastered off the coast of tricom. 1 fully operational British CV, 3 BB with sytem damage between 20-30, 2 CA and 1 CLAA with 20-30 system damage and 0-20 floatation damage. 8DD's pretty much unscathed. Various and assorted support vessels, but that's it.

RAF consists of 80 modern fighters, 180 FB's of varying quality with the majority being hurris. 80 level bombers (mostly wellingtons and hudsons) and 24 TB's

I hate to be the "bad" guy but I think you will need more to halt his advances there. Do you have Spitfires already?

Also RN would be useful of defending Karachi from anykind of a naval bombardments.

You asked whether Karachi can survive 60 days with those troops. In my opinion it depends whether he will control the skies above India. If you can defeat him with your RAF forces than you might have a slight chance. Otherwise I personally doubt it.

Tough days ahead.... Hopefully you can pull this one off.

[itsjustme]

Nope. No spitfires yet. The RN won't stand up to much of a fight at this point (although additional reinforcements are due in the coming weeks). I was giving some thought to pulling the RN out of the harbor NorthWest and attempting ambush the IJN when they come calling. Thoughts?

[Capt. Harlock]

I was giving some thought to pulling the RN out of the harbor NorthWest and attempting ambush the IJN when they come calling. Thoughts?

I love a good naval combat as much as the next person, but I think it would be a mistake. The RN was savaged as a fighting force defending Ceylon. The one possibility is if you could make a move in the eastern Pacific, drawing off Nemo's carriers. The messages above are correct, I think: it all depends on how the struggle in the air goes.

[anarchyintheuk]

Getting a coordinated air/ground attack up there depends a lot on luck. If he can get two powerful ground attacks from his lba and/or kb, he can basically zero out the av on your two full strength UK divs for that turn. Combined w/ however the hell many divs he has up there he can probably overpower the rest. Depends on the weather (usually awful) and if that affects his lba (doesn't seem to have that much effect on the IJAAF/IJNAF).

Hate to be gloomy but no spitfires, no rn, no chance. Look back at ADavidB's aar w/ PzB, it may give you a good idea as to what his oob was and how it compares to yours.