Petrol

[forgorin]

No I have not even bothered to check to se whether this question has already been gone over.

How hard would it to include petrol into the game. It would be nice if there was a limit to how far you could go till you had to start checking around fro a petrol station!

[azraelck]

It would require some reworking of the code involving troop movement, as well as adding a "ammo" slot type thing for the fuel, figuring out how to put x amount of gallons into game terms, researching fuel capacity of the vehicles, reworking the OOBs to acount for the new values added... probably not going to happen at this stage of the game, with only Mike Wood giving limited time to the maintaining and upgrading. But it'd be a nice thing to see in a future game.

[Zardoz]

Hi,

hm do you think that petrol is a point which should be modelled into the game considering the scale of the game? I think petrol should be modelled in operational and strategical games, no doubt.

SPWAW is, however, a tactical game on squad-level. With regard to the low distances morized vehicles have to cross on the actual map and the time frame of the game, I think that it gives no additional realism to the game. On this level tanks and trucks have enough petrol or not and refuilling in the game, which represents a battle or firefight would be quiet unrealstic, I think. This was done before battle or after battle... and occasions where tanks run out of petrol in the mid of a firefight should be ver, very rare, I think.

[Wuotan]

Agree with Zardoz.

[Dragoon 45]

Most tanks had at least 100 miles in operational range during combat. Some like the T-34 could travel over 200 miles on one tank of fuel. German tanks probably had the poorest fuel economy and still managed better than a 100 miles per tank except for the Tiger I which I believe had a range of approximately 87 miles. The Germans in a lot of cases strapped fuel drums or jerry cans of fuel on the back of the panzers to extend their range, like the Russians did with their T-34's. Also normal practice was to establish a refueling point just prior to entering combat using either the carried fuel or a prestocked fuel point.

Standard practice for most armies was to refuel and replenish ammo prior to and just after an action or replenish the unit just before dawn and right after dusk if no combat occurred. In cases where ammo or fuel didn't reach the tanks, the mission was not performed in almost all cases. A tank without fuel and/or ammo is more or less useless in action.

ORIGINAL: Wuotan

Agree with Zardoz.

[264rifle]

I agree: Most tanks had enough fuel for 4-5 hours (tigers??) or more of operation.

[Don Doom]

Fuel capacity for Tiger E 181 is as follows. Full tanks contain 534 Litres of gasoline, which is close to 117.5 Imperial Gallons. The figures supplied are based on ideal weather conditions and fuel conscious driver.
Calculations based on Imperial Gallon and working on full 534 litres with road range of 100 Km on road and cross country 60 Km. in perfect weather and terrain conditions. According to official German source, road running is 4.5 litres per Km. - 1.58 gallons per mile. Cross country 7.8 litres - 2.76 gallons per mile.

Quote from the Tiger H E 181 site

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Zardoz

Hi,

hm do you think that petrol is a point which should be modelled into the game considering the scale of the game? I think petrol should be modelled in operational and strategical games, no doubt.

SPWAW is, however, a tactical game on squad-level. With regard to the low distances morized vehicles have to cross on the actual map and the time frame of the game, I think that it gives no additional realism to the game. On this level tanks and trucks have enough petrol or not and refuilling in the game, which represents a battle or firefight would be quiet unrealstic, I think. This was done before battle or after battle... and occasions where tanks run out of petrol in the mid of a firefight should be ver, very rare, I think.

I agree with Zardoz..If the game ever gets super-detailed, I would prefer night illumination like flares and fires to be figured in....(I already figured out how it could be done, but I am not a programmer.)

[PimpYourAFV]

Ya no petrol probably better in short battles like this.

Don Doom, that picture of you looks like you played D&D a few thousand times too many.

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Dragoon 45

Most tanks had at least 100 miles in operational range during combat. Some like the T-34 could travel over 200 miles on one tank of fuel. German tanks probably had the poorest fuel economy and still managed better than a 100 miles per tank except for the Tiger I which I believe had a range of approximately 87 miles. The Germans in a lot of cases strapped fuel drums or jerry cans of fuel on the back of the panzers to extend their range, like the Russians did with their T-34's. Also normal practice was to establish a refueling point just prior to entering combat using either the carried fuel or a prestocked fuel point.

Standard practice for most armies was to refuel and replenish ammo prior to and just after an action or replenish the unit just before dawn and right after dusk if no combat occurred. In cases where ammo or fuel didn't reach the tanks, the mission was not performed in almost all cases. A tank without fuel and/or ammo is more or less useless in action.

ORIGINAL: Wuotan

Agree with Zardoz.

There are pictures out there showing what looks like German Pz IV's and some Brit tanks towing what look like 2 wheeled trailers with fuel tanks on them. (Not referring to the Brit flamethrower tanks.)

[forgorin]

Hey Bakakusojiji, He could just be into Gothic Metal. Some one has to. Right?

[Don Doom]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: Dragoon 45

Most tanks had at least 100 miles in operational range during combat. Some like the T-34 could travel over 200 miles on one tank of fuel. German tanks probably had the poorest fuel economy and still managed better than a 100 miles per tank except for the Tiger I which I believe had a range of approximately 87 miles. The Germans in a lot of cases strapped fuel drums or jerry cans of fuel on the back of the panzers to extend their range, like the Russians did with their T-34's. Also normal practice was to establish a refueling point just prior to entering combat using either the carried fuel or a prestocked fuel point.

Standard practice for most armies was to refuel and replenish ammo prior to and just after an action or replenish the unit just before dawn and right after dusk if no combat occurred. In cases where ammo or fuel didn't reach the tanks, the mission was not performed in almost all cases. A tank without fuel and/or ammo is more or less useless in action.

ORIGINAL: Wuotan

Agree with Zardoz.

There are pictures out there showing what looks like German Pz IV's and some Brit tanks towing what look like 2 wheeled trailers with fuel tanks on them. (Not referring to the Brit flamethrower tanks.)

True, most are panthers, tigers and the wading pzk IV's.

[Don Doom]

Heres one of a Tiger group in russia.