Sneer vs Raver , Banzaiiii!!!!

[Raverdave]

Chungking has 10,000 points of supply

[Raverdave]

ORIGINAL: pauk

it seems that both of us are struck with "Allies-waiting-for-their-toys" bug[:D]

Seriously, i'm always for the house rules but realised like you, that certain house rules are two sided coins

house rules helps to avoid unhistorical results, but then can help to get unihistorical deployement of the forces - like you've experienced....

.............he who attacks the enemy of ground of his choice is a fool. I move forward when I have a chance of being at least on equal terms, to do anything else is to squander your troops.

[Sneer]

and my army slowly reach chungking
you saw only probe attacks

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

ORIGINAL: pauk

it seems that both of us are struck with "Allies-waiting-for-their-toys" bug[:D]

Seriously, i'm always for the house rules but realised like you, that certain house rules are two sided coins

house rules helps to avoid unhistorical results, but then can help to get unihistorical deployement of the forces - like you've experienced....

.............he who attacks the enemy of ground of his choice is a fool. I move forward when I have a chance of being at least on equal terms, to do anything else is to squander your troops.

greetings,

nothing wrong with that. I was refering to house rules. Since you don't have to be afraid of Japanese invasion on Karachi you don't need to have fleet there and you can send it where you want.

Like Sneer pointed it is hard to imagine that Brits would send fleet to pacific while India is threaten.

It was only the observation, not complain.....[:)]

[Sneer]

4/1/43
4 enemy TF 4 hexes NE of Canton Isl
BB&CV&CA spotted

raid ?
diversion ?
Do raverdave expect me to move combined fleet there ?
or maybe invasion ? but no transport spotted so far

[Sneer]

1/5/43
warm welcome to allied devils
enemy raid on Canton Isl

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/04/43

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TF 1100 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99)

Allied Ships
DD Lansdowne, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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TF 1153 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99)

Allied Ships
DMS Long
DMS Boggs

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TF 1010 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99)

Allied Ships
DD Pakenham, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Van Heemskerck, Mine hits 1, on fire
CLAA Columbo, Mine hits 1, on fire
CL Birmingham, Mine hits 1, on fire

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TF 1067 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99)

Allied Ships
CA Indianapolis, Mine hits 1, on fire

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TF 1068 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99)

Allied Ships
DD Lardner, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, Mine hits 1, on fire

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TF 1094 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99)

Allied Ships
DD Nicholas, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Louisville, Mine hits 1, on fire

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TF 1155 encounters mine field at Canton Island (98,99)

Allied Ships
DD Monssen, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

14 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Concord
CL Detroit
CA Quincy, Shell hits 2
CA San Francisco, Shell hits 1
CA New Orleans, Shell hits 1
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1
BB Mississippi
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
BB Tennessee
BB California

Japanese ground losses:
211 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 9
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99

Allied Ships
CL Honolulu
CL Nashville
CA Vincennes
BB Pennsylvania
BB Arizona
BB Oklahoma
BB Nevada
BB West Virginia

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 15
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 8

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Naval bombardment of Canton Island, at 98,99

Allied Ships
CL Newcastle
CL Glasgow
CL Dauntless
CA Cornwall
CA Devonshire

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6
Port supply hits 1

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TF 1186 encounters mine field at Kai Island (39,78)

Japanese Ships
AK Muko Maru, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Nicholas, and is sunk
SS Blackfish, Mine hits 1

[veji1]

whoo Yorktown hit a mine... that can be very painful away from friendly bases... Bring the subs around and you might have a great result...

[Sneer]

I think KB is better choice

subs will be mauled with whole combined allied fleet in 1 hex

second Yorktown has probably small flood - should be out of action for 2-4 months only

what we saw here is good example of death star tactics - at least 7 diffrent TFs kept together

[veji1]

Well I remenber mines being able to inflict lots of damage with some luck, or bad luck depending on... I had a jap CA barely surviving one mine ( Flt was in the high 40s..), I seeems that uber mining is a good tactic anyway...

[Sneer]

baker was mined to same extent and inflicted no damage - luck is all with minefields
but if you have many MLs you should make some use of them - at least with most obvious localisations

1DD reported sunk
probably 2 more are in very bad shape and i think they will not survive
2 next heavy damaged with even chances
1cv ,2ca ,2claa ,1cl lightly/moderately damaged - nothing big but will not be able to come back into line in 1Q43 so will not participate in 1st Raverdave's offensive move

15 hits
not bad

[Capt. Harlock]

Poor Raver must be regretting his decision to take all the TF's in close. However, I notice none of the BB's were tagged, even though they must have been reasonably close to deliver their bombardment. It seems to me that mining in WITP is considerably more effective than it was historically; I cannot recall even so much as a light cruiser hitting a mine in the Pacific in WWII.

[Sneer]

and how many times you saw all allied capitals including 10 BB and carriers running like mad close to enemy prepared atolls ?

miracle there was no collision there

BTW similar amount of mines were totally unsuccessful at wake and baker

i think there will be no more night raids from Raver with whole fleet

[Raverdave]

D'oh.....forgot to unclick "follow this TF"[:o]

[Sneer]

01/16/43
nothing to report in last 2 week
some submarine mine warfare
some night MSW allied action at canton
B24 from Midway targeting Wake
usual B17 from darwin against Timor

if Raverdave wants me falling asleep and later striking hard he will probably succeed
Chungking currently quiet
troops regain strenght
i had 6000 AV now it is close to 9000 also 6000+ guns and 2500+ engineers
i should be able to lower forts in a few days

[Sneer]

As a proof i'm not that lazy ... as sb could find reading this AAR
i made 2 combat patrols with my carriers into deep pacific but could not find any target ( using break into Canton ISL area)
when i moved to base i found enemy TFs
only few planes attacked in p.m. phaseDay Air attack on TF at 101,103

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 40
D3A Val x 46
A6M3a Zero x 133
B5N Kate x 31

Allied aircraft
Seafire x 36
F4F-4 Wildcat x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 18 destroyed
D3A Val: 5 destroyed, 29 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 17 destroyed
B5N Kate: 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire: 21 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 52 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Indiana, Bomb hits 4
CVE Sangamon, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Suwannee, Bomb hits 2
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CVE Chenango, Bomb hits 4, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet
1 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet
7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,103

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 5
B5N Kate x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied Ships
CVE Chenango, on fire
BB Indiana, Bomb hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet
6 x B5N Kate bombing at 16000 feet

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nice - looks like ground forces are ready

Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 524190 troops, 4847 guns, 536 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 10542

Defending force 180729 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 5053



Allied ground losses:
216 casualties reported

[ADavidB]

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 40
D3A Val x 46
A6M3a Zero x 133
B5N Kate x 31

Allied aircraft
Seafire x 36
F4F-4 Wildcat x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 18 destroyed
D3A Val: 5 destroyed, 29 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 17 destroyed
B5N Kate: 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire: 21 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 52 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Indiana, Bomb hits 4
CVE Sangamon, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Suwannee, Bomb hits 2
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CVE Chenango, Bomb hits 4, on fire

That's a great example of why one does not try to use CVEs as Fleet Carriers...

What's the game-date of this action?

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi

[Sneer]

01/18/43
i do not publicate all of my action as it is "shared" AAR

[Sneer]

01/19/43 big battle ....

[veji1]

I want more ....

[Sneer]

soon - need to finish turn ...