Sneer vs Raver , Banzaiiii!!!!

[Sneer]

19/01/43
major battle close toi sydney Isl
my 4 KB carrier division divided
1 of them even is they were set all to do not refuel was 1 hex late
enemy as always - i'm not lucky enough stroke first
cap did nice job but it was not enough
but retaliation strike was coordinated 3 division (12carriers) strike and 3 enemy carriers are sunk
Saratoga , Lexington and Enterprise are below waves
2 fast BB are certainly damaged too
losses - confidential - 1 carrier will not manage and rest have some chances ... i'm far away
more soon ....

Day Air attack on TF at 101,104

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 18
A6M2 Zero x 2
A6M3 Zero x 9
A6M3a Zero x 41

Allied aircraft
Seafire x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 32
SBD Dauntless x 68
Swordfish x 14
TBF Avenger x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 12 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire: 5 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 28 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 24 destroyed, 20 damaged
Swordfish: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged
TBF Avenger: 16 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Bomb hits 2
CV Hiyo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CV Akagi
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 3
BB Musashi
CVE Taiyo
CA Chikuma

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
6 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,104

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 3
A6M2 Zero x 1
A6M3 Zero x 6
A6M3a Zero x 23

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi
CV Hiyo, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,104

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 3
A6M2 Zero x 1
A6M3 Zero x 8
A6M3a Zero x 27

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
SBD Dauntless x 34
TBF Avenger x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 12 destroyed, 10 damaged
TBF Avenger: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Kongo
BB Nagato
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 2
CV Hiyo, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,102

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 31
D3A Val x 131
A6M3a Zero x 63
B5N Kate x 147

Allied aircraft
Seafire x 9
F4F-4 Wildcat x 83

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 18 destroyed
D3A Val: 17 destroyed, 38 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 32 destroyed
B5N Kate: 30 destroyed, 73 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire: 8 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 65 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB South Dakota, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Northampton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BB Washington, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
6 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,102

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 16
A6M3a Zero x 12
B5N Kate x 16

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N Kate: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed
Seafire: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Washington, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,102

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 23
A6M3a Zero x 7
B5N Kate x 15

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B5N Kate: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet

[Sneer]

i put all available BB/CA to these 4 divisions so flak did good job ...

[Sneer]

range was 2 hexes only so all allied bomb hits ...1000lb

[veji1]

so Zuiho is dead for sure, can Hiyo and Akagi be protected ? if they can go fast enough, you could cover them with all the rest of KB.... it would be quite risky from him to go at you with all he has left...

hm... 101;104, where is that again ?

[veji1]

does he have an AF nearby or are all the carrier planes gone with the waves ???

well... Enjoy what is probably your last big carrier battle success, hopefully you don't pay too heavy a price in the aftermath..

Pics ?

[Sneer]

5-7 hexes SE from canton isl
i doubt he can strike my carriers
he has 1 british CV or two but without Swordfishes
1cvl already damaged
few CVE
yorktown was damaged and probably is not here
i have 3 carrier divisions untouched with only moderate damage
BTW carriers should reach cover from canton ISL so now few enemy planes should be repulsed
Zuiho - it can survive but chances are small
rest .... moderate damages only

[sven6345789]

will he get the carriers back? as much as i could read, it already is the second yorktown.
Once again it has been proven that counterattacks before 1944 only work if you had a midway style battle with comparable results; as long as KB is still active, it will kill you

[Sneer]

no it is 1st one
there was no major carrier battle till now

[Sneer]

BTW i estimate Raverdave has <50 fighters available now

[jumper]

congrats!! [&o]
did you know his carriers are there or it was a surprise for you?
101;104 - should be somewhere NE of Canton is. correct?

Yorktown hit mine
CVEs damaged
3 CVs sunk

Nice results in the beginning of 43´.

EDIT: I see the most of it was meanwhile replied and my localization was wrong [:)]

[veji1]

Come on, allies can achieve good success in counterattacking in 43.. Just don't go chase the Whole KB with your fleet at this point... In 43 allies can win carrier battles against part of KB. In 44 they win anyway...

Regarding respawn, IIRC the first 4 US CVs lost before jan 1 1944 respawn. After that, it is all bonus for jap players.. So how many US CVs have been sunk from the start ?

[Sneer]

SE
i can loose Zuiho and Hiyo /Akagi fate is unknown for now
if they kept together there would be probably no losses Grrrrrrrrrr. .... i know Nemo pointed the same problem
BTW battle is not over
there will be second day for sure
question is what allies do

it was surprise i guessed that balance point will be brought to the south and canton is important to allies as shorten transport routes
it was one of combat patrols - i wanted to see what is going on at Pago Pago
i did few big mistakes but none happened to be decisive till now

[Sneer]

no US CVs sunk till that moment - it doesn't matter
later he will have enough
i'm not sure but i feel hornet /wasp was not there ....or saratoga/lexington group did not launch their strikes

[jumper]

It seems you are in good position to exploit your victory little bit more.. You gained local superiority for now. Those damaged fast BBs should be worth to take a risk (and maybe even accept some loses) and finish them. You might have never second chance. Fast BBs are sometning the allied player will miss a lot!!
Those CVEs were hammered not far from your current position, so Raverdave should now the KB is loitering around.. Maybe the unsufficient p.m. attack on those CVEs confused him to believe that only part of KB is there and he planned a revenge not knowing he will run into full KB? Or was just unlucky and tried to avoid combat in wrong direction?
I hope Raverdave will later add some comment to see what was behind..

[Sneer]

he stayed same hex waiting - that's why he stroke first
and I think he was aware of full KB
he knows i like 4 div grouping

BTW Taiho will join in 2 weeks

[Sneer]

one more - at Pago Pago is his transport fleet i sent Musashi surface group to check , results soon....

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: sven6345789

will he get the carriers back? as much as i could read, it already is the second yorktown.
Once again it has been proven that counterattacks before 1944 only work if you had a midway style battle with comparable results; as long as KB is still active, it will kill you

Hi,

there certainly is no proof that Allied counterattacks do not work before 1944. The outcome of carrier battles largely depends on players' actions. I think that Sneer was quite lucky in this battle: If the Allied strike would have hit another of his carrier TF's and if he'ld have been luckier with his torpedo hits (dice rolls...), it is quite likely that two Japanese fleet carriers would hit the ocean floor now - even with three lost Allied carriers, this would have been a victory for Raver.

And the Allies become much stronger from July 1943 onwards: Better fighter coordination (hardcoded) and Hellcats make Allied CV's very dangerous even when outnumbered...

K

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: Sneer

he stayed same hex waiting - that's why he stroke first

Strikes were simultaneous (at least if in the same phase/AM or PM).

K

[pauk]

greetings!

From what I may read there this is Japanese victory... could you please post screenshoot (i would like to see where exactly this happend and ac lost in this battle) and actual damage state of your damaged carriers (i do understand that CVL is lost)

[Sneer]

Kereguelen
you are not right
I have 4 divisions with almost same composition so it doesn't matter which one will be hit
1 big CV
1 medium CV
1CVL
1CVE
+2-3BB
+3-4CA
+ DD

ap 190 planes at each

I was very unlucky that 1 div was out of major hex - if allied hot combined cap thay would face almost 200 fighters