what is it about Jap subs??

[samthesham]

Playing CHS with the latest. In the first two weeks, I have lost 7
DDs', 2 CAs, a CL, AV, PG and MSW vistiom to torpedo attacks from subs.

MOST OF THESE ATTACKS WERE IN ASW groups going after the subs themselves.

And this is only a partial list; I have actually lost several more.

I have sunk 1 (ONE) sub.

Here is a list of those for whom I have a combat report:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/11/41

Sub attack at 113,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-8

Allied Ships
PG Taney, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC Tiger
PC Reliance

Sub attack at 33,64

Japanese Ships
SS RO-34

Allied Ships
CA Houston, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Sub attack at 117,71

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
DD Benham, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Ellet
DD McCall
DD Gridley
DD Craven

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/13/41

Sub attack at 113,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-8

Allied Ships
DD Monaghan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Dale
DD Worden
DD MacDonough
DD Farragut

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/14/41

Sub attack at 39,74

Japanese Ships
SS RO-61, hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
CL De Ruyter, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
CL Tromp
DD Piet Hein
DD Kortenaer
DD Witte de With

Sub attack at 113,73

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Monaghan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Sub attack at 113,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-8, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Dale, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Worden
DD MacDonough
DD Farragut

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/15/41

Sub attack at 24,67

Japanese Ships
SS I-160

Allied Ships
MSW Pieter de Bitter, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PC Gemma
PC Albatros
MSW Eland Dubois
MSW Abraham Crijnssen
MSW Jan van Amstel

Sub attack at 113,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-8

Allied Ships
DD Worden, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD MacDonough
DD Farragut

Sub attack at 113,73

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Worden, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/16/41

(NONE)

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/17/41

Sub attack at 113,71

Japanese Ships
SS I-15

Allied Ships
DD Ellet, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Gridley
DD Craven

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/19/41

Sub attack at 113,74

Japanese Ships
SS I-171

Allied Ships
AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, on fire


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/20/41

(None)

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/22/41

Sub attack at 117,71

Japanese Ships
SS I-21

Allied Ships
CA Astoria, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DM Sicard

Sub attack at 113,73

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Flusser, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Fanning
DD Dunlap
DD Reid

[jeffs]

Is this PBEM or IA? If IA at a high level then it is because the IA games the results.

[samthesham]

Its a PBEM game; historical sub settings.

By the way, I have had about 6 subs sitting on a jap TF for about
a week, with no ASW or sub attacks. do sub encounteres happen more
often with one side moving?

[racndoc]

Both v1.8 and CHS have independently neutered ASW so in combination of the 2 the hunters become the hunted. I find that as the Allies I lose 2-3 ASW ships to every sub sunk....that is with constant monitoring of IJN subs every turn with ASW AC and then dropping multiple ASW TFs (with good TF commanders) on top of them. It only takes 1 torpedo to sink an Allied DD if you are more than 2 turns out of port and in return most Allied depth charges only "rattle" the Japanese skipper's cage.

You are almost better off just searching as much ocean as possible with ASW AC and then AVOID spotted subs with your transports and ASW TFs.

I think that the new version of CHS will correct this at least partially.

[samthesham]

Is there a schedule for the new CHS?