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RE: canton

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I thought that aerial torpedoes only worked during the Pearl Harbor attack. If they are allowed to work in any port, then this Game is still buggered up beyond belief...

From the AAR's I read the game is buggered up beyond belief whether torpedoes are allowed against ports or not!
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RE: canton

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ORIGINAL: veji1

tss tss I hear negativity again....

Well done Sneer, I think you can go on a bit of R&R now...

The issue of aerial torpedoes used in ports was discussed in great detail several times in the past. I was under the impression that the decision had been to only allow them in the initial PH attack, similar to the use of "ship buster" bombs by the Japanese. If that isn't correct, then that changes another aspect of the Allied defensive strategy once again.

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RE: canton

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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
I thought that aerial torpedoes only worked during the Pearl Harbor attack. If they are allowed to work in any port, then this Game is still buggered up beyond belief...

From the AAR's I read the game is buggered up beyond belief whether torpedoes are allowed against ports or not!

I've been under the impression that Don and Gang have been working to remove the buggered up portions of the game. One hopes that this one is on their list.

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aerial torps

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N.Carolina was all the time in the port - as far as aerial torps - i think that during port attack each torp group has 25% chance to use torpedos - sb wrote this long time ago - so sometimes there are no torps and sometimes they are - if so why tarent attack was possible ????
there is no single reason why so small (4) port should have nets
i think it is ok as some port on pacific isl were atolls with quite a big lagunas inside so i don't see a problem and it is not bugged to me - often ports were nothing more as big anchorages with basic instalations  - and lvl 4 port is sth like this - just think about it
BTW  ship was already heavy damaged and on fire after my 2 bombardment runs- it is hard to see if torp were decisive - Maybe Raverdave can put a bit of light on it  (She scored 50+ hits during bombardment  so at least few of them were heavy caliber (14" and 16"/all 5 BB expanded all ammo this night and 2 on the other/+ quite a lot of 8" +few bomb hits) +15 bomb hits later too

no game is not bugged in this place - it is good compromise - otherwise they would be forced to hardcode every port in game wheather torps can or can not be used  - I doubt anybody is able to do such research
it is not bigger simplification than ability to bombard airfield on 60 miles hex all the time - you could say that  it was not possible in many times - developers had to choose how to solve it - again the only alternative was to hardcode every coastal airfield.
gentleman - it is game - there is 25% for torp port attack - sometimes you have it and sometimes not - i have seen many PH attack with NO single torp used and it is bug to me but it is how this 25% really works
just relax on that
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RE: Canton ....

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ORIGINAL: pauk


Btw, Poland is going to loose todays football match against Croatia
looks like Poland won this game
I'm sorry Pauk but even if our team is weak as always your team must have been in extremly bad condition
1:0 Poland vs Croatia [:D][:D][:D]
hip hip hurrahhhhhhh!
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RE: aerial torps

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"as far as aerial torps - i think that during port attack each torp group has 25% chance to use torpedos - sb wrote this long time ago - so sometimes there are no torps and sometimes they are - if so why tarent attack was possible"

Okay, I didn't remember the "25%" part. I understand where the compromise is coming from, although I have a different mental image of the meaning of "Port Level" - that being a level 1 is essentially an open anchorage while a Level 3 and above have docks, torpedo nets, integral AA, etc., with the amount increasing as the size increases. So I guess it's up to Don and Gang as to how they want to implement the interpretations.

Oh well, at least I got my misconception corrected painlessly (to me that is...)

Thanks -

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RE: Canton ....

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ORIGINAL: Sneer
ORIGINAL: pauk


Btw, Poland is going to loose todays football match against Croatia
looks like Poland won this game
I'm sorry Pauk but even if our team is weak as always your team must have been in extremly bad condition
1:0 Poland vs Croatia [:D][:D][:D]
hip hip hurrahhhhhhh!

hey, we were hiding our strategy for the World cup[;)]

Excuse me, you should say: Banzai! (there is nothing more that i hate in the game than this ugly battle call hip, hip hurrahhhh!)
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Onwards !

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Keep your eyes open.....the air war in India is about to start to hot up.    I've decided to start putting some pressure on Sneer's airfarce and India seems to be the best place to do so. 
 
I'm still chuffed to the back teeth that the RN CVs made a clean get-away from that fcuk-up at Pago-fcuking-Pago.  Yorktown is just about back at full strength, but there are bugger all other CVs for her to steam with. [:(]  Meantime I am continuing with my slow crawl up the Solomans and also towards Timor.  Ground strength is also starting at gather in India[:)]
 
 
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RE: January 43 ended

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exactly as expected
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new fronts

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so we had declaration of new fronts from Raver - they are no surprise to me - looks like sth i call " dirty war " starts now
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/08/43

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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 6
B-17E Fortress x 172

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F-5A Lightning: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 37
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 153

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
19 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
14 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
19 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
13 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 27
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 36

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 98,110

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
G3M Nell x 8
G4M1 Betty x 10
H8K Emily x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
H8K Emily: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Richmond, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Caledon, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Gilmer, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kennison, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 7000 feet
5 x G3M Nell bombing at 7000 feet
6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 7000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 7000 feet


Here usual day in china
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Day Air attack on 55th Chinese Division, at 37,33

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 15

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 50th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 14
Ki-49 Helen x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 25th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 17

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 20
Ki-49 Helen x 28

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 59th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 19
Ki-49 Helen x 42
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
78 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 82nd Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 21
Ki-49 Helen x 96
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
18 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 13

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 14
Ki-21 Sally x 25
Ki-49 Helen x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 90th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 20

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th New Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th New Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 14

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 517987 troops, 4524 guns, 525 vehicles, Assault Value = 10640

Defending force 180206 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5447



Allied ground losses:
188 casualties reported

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boring turn

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boring turn - looks like tension is down for a while....

"magic"KB once again moved within Pago Pago and sunk retreating
CL Richmond with assisting 2 DD 3rd one should reach nowhere
Amboina once again bombed by 170+ B17
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RE: boring turn

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somewhere in the mid Feb 43
 
new PC type ships are available
ASW 7 rating and DC type 2 make a huge diffrence in Hunter killer groups
now i see they can at least force sub to changing place - but maybe if i get more of them i will even have a kill
Raverdave moved his subs to intercept my cripples and KB main body to communication lines but all i can say - he maybe dissapointed as I don't need to go to Japan to rearm and take new crews
There is other way for him as a strike on PNG and Timor - I decided to move my pacific reserves to southern DEI - without BB component i can't see Raverdave attacking fortified atolls - even so there is enough naval bombers to hit his low cap- i think I have even too much in southern DEI at that moment and I don't see him achieving much without exposing rest of his fleet in any operation there
two of my damaged carriers already in Japan in shipyard.
 
 
 
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RE: boring turn

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2/18/43
Raverdave landed at Kai Isl on amphibious ships loosing 2 of them on mines

enemy subs found in chinase sea - i'm back to convoy tactics after free (since the beginning of war) shipping
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KAI taken

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quite a lot of action
enemy barge TF hit by surface TF again
my hunter killer group hit hard SS sunfish today

I'm very dissapointed by Chungking assault
i'd like to have sb who captured chungking reading this post
there was sth like 35 big inf units fully preped with adequate support + art and tanks
Chungking is being bombed for months
it is only base left to allied
54 units inside
4x for urban hex
lvl3 forts
there is free 300 supplies per turn given to them
I massed sth like 11k assault points plus 1000 tanks
again attack was a disaster
30% of assault ability lost
enemy have no heavy weapon
i brought sth like 3k of engineers to this attack
i can't destroy forts !!!!!!!!!!!!
if anybody has any ideas what to do i will gladly read
BTW KB is almost ready again for action - planes on fleet carriers are almost all replenished

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/20/43

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Night Time Surface Combat at 39,79

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara
CL Tama
DD Amagiri
DD Kisaragi

Allied Ships
MSW Bundaberg
MSW Deloraine, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
MSW Baroda, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-59
LCT LCT-60
LCT LCT-61
LCT LCT-62
LCT LCT-63
LCT LCT-64
LCT LCT-65, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-66
LCT LCT-67
LCT LCT-128
LCT LCT-129
LCT LCT-130
LCT LCT-131
LCT LCT-133
LCT LCT-134
LCT LCT-135, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
LCT LCT-136, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LCT LCT-137
LCT LCT-138
LCT LCT-139
LCM 532B
LCM 532C
LCM 532D
LCM 532E
LCVP 532F
LCVP 532G
LCVP 532H
LCVP 532J
LCVP 532K
LCVP 532L
LCVP 532M
LCVP 532N
LCVP 532P
LCM 542A
LCM 542B
LCM 542C
LCM 542D
LCM 542E
LCVP 542F
LCVP 542G
LCVP 542H
LCVP 542J
LCVP 542K
LCVP 542L
LCVP 542M
LCVP 542P
LCVP 542Q
MSW Abraham Crijnssen, Shell hits 16, and is sunk

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Naval bombardment of Tenimbar, at 36,81


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Avenger I: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
DD Fumizuki
DD Yugiri
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Shirakumo
DD Shinonome
DD Hamakaze
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba


Allied ground losses:
841 casualties reported
Guns lost 13
Vehicles lost 5

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 13
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 11

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ASW attack at 56,42

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 30
PC Ch 18
PC Showa Maru #3
PG Seikai Maru
PG Magan Maru
PG Heijo Maru
MSW W.22

Allied Ships
SS Sunfish, hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on Benares , at 28,18


Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vb x 18
Wellington III x 83
Liberator VI x 55
P-38G Lightning x 61


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
Liberator VI: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
504 casualties reported
Guns lost 18

Airbase hits 34
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 124

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78


Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 21


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 35
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 48
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
35 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 98th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 12
Ki-49 Helen x 18

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 25th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 59th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 49th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19
Ki-21 Sally x 47
Ki-49 Helen x 131
Ki-15 Babs x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
269 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
12 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
13 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
10 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
12 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6
Ki-21 Sally x 19
Ki-49 Helen x 21

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 78th Chinese Corps, at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 16
Ki-21 Sally x 24
Ki-49 Helen x 71

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
183 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 87th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 14

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th New Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th New Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 18

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 663027 troops, 5900 guns, 968 vehicles, Assault Value = 12970

Defending force 182100 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5736

Japanese max assault: 12853 - adjusted assault: 2664

Allied max defense: 5036 - adjusted defense: 4333

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)


Japanese ground losses:
42824 casualties reported
Guns lost 936
Vehicles lost 44

Allied ground losses:
3129 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kai Island

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 505 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 30

Defending force 2655 troops, 9 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Japanese max assault: 16 - adjusted assault: 28

Allied max defense: 25 - adjusted defense: 8

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kai Island base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
3195 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1

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RE: KAI taken

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seems to me to bring down the forts you'll need to shock... And then bombard for a weeks, and then Shock again...And it will be horribly deadly... 
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RE: KAI taken

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i shocked last time with similar results
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RE: KAI taken

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The outcome of the assault on Chungking is ridicoulos. And it again reminds me that ground combat in this game is the worst of all the different combat types. If this is nearly realistic then the 6th German Army would still be in Stalingrad!
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RE: KAI taken

Post by veji1 »

You might have to shock attack more often leaving your arty always in the hex and rotating INF, ENG and ARM so that you can do 2 Shock attacks in a row... Disruption should be high enough for the Chinese that you can bring down the fort on the second attack... Maybe Shock with your low quality units the first day and keep you elite Divs, Engs and Arm for the second attack ?

From my limited experience you really need to take advantage of the disruption.. otherwise you can repeat the slow routine for ever to no avail...

And how is the airfield ? You say they get 300 supply points for free, if you were to bombard the airfield, would they use it to repair ?
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I keep airfield bombed so it is not lower than 70%
if it goes down i bomb again and force repairing
more doesn't have much sense as he is relatively low on supply so it is probably distributed to units with little to no supply left in base
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next try in sth like 10-15 days - ap this amount of time is needed to have readiness back
did I mention that almost all of my troops are elite 95+ exp ?
doesn't seem to have influence  

what is weird - almost no losses to defenders
non existing artillery barrage or what else caused my casualties???

with 50+ units bombardment can disrupt only 3-5 units from the top only

did they use bamboo sticks to destroy / damage almost 1000 of my guns ????? 15% of all guns used are out of action
how the hell it is possible to loose 1000 guns in such battle - among them is field artillery that stay few miles behind lines
frustration is not the best word describing ground combat model in this game but it is a word heading in good direction


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