A Fish Over The Rising Sun

[scott64]

Scenerio 15 against Shutter. I am once again going to see what I have learned. [:)]. I will be the evil Empire of Japan, while Stepen aka Shutter will command the Allies. [X(][:D]


Day one
Sneak attack on Manila [:'(][:D]

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
D3A Val: 2 destroyed, 16 damaged
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 19 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
SS Seawolf, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pope, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-31, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Saury, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Finch, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Pike, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-40, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP President Madison, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Peary, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AS Otus, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Permit, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-41, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AO Pecos, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS S-38, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tanager, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Don Jose, Bomb hits 3, on fire
SS S-37, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Langley, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Perch, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Shark, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Sealion, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-34, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Sturgeon, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AO Trinity, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Whippoorwill, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PG Tulsa, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Sargo, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pillsbury, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-35, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AS Canopus, Bomb hits 1
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Princess of Negros, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Pickerel, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Sagoland, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Bisayas, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Stingray, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22


Yeah you counted that right... 20 subs sent to the bottom of Manila Harbour. [:'(][X(] Total of 28 Allied ships sunk, with only a scratch of paint on a lonely Jap cruiser. [X(][:'(]

[Ron Saueracker]

I'll never agree to this not bombing Pearl Harbor ever again. I did once and it just made no sense.

[pauk]

i hope that this isn't because in 95% PH attacks no BB are sunk[:'(]

scott, looking forward to your AAR[:)]

[George Patton]

ORIGINAL: pauk

i hope that this isn't because in 95% PH attacks no BB are sunk[:'(]

scott, looking forward to your AAR[:)]

That's right, but at least the BB are out of action for months.

[ny59giants]

For the first 6 months of the war, the subs are more important as the American BB's are useful for....[&:][&:]
I had one PBEM and the lost of the BB's did not hurt nearly as much as those subs and having KB marching around the SRA after wiping out Manila was not a pretty sight.[&o][&o]

The only drawback to historical at Pearl is if KB hangs around for a few extra days and makes sure at least 1/2 the BB's are sunk.[:D]

[scott64]

Hung around Manila a few more days, sunk an AS and one nameless ship of some sort. I slipped a sub into Pearl and sunk a DMS. [:'(] Landings in the normal and few not so normal vacation, err enemy held areas. Spotted POW and Repulse on their way towards Palembang [:-]

BB Prince of Wales, Bomb hits 4
BC Repulse, Bomb hits 1

Lost on 1 Kate and 13 damaged

Since this might be a community effort, ie myself and Stephen reading, no stratgety will be discussed until after it happens. [X(][:'(]

[scott64]

As too attacking Manila, I tried something different, not expecting to sink all those subs.[X(]

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: pauk

i hope that this isn't because in 95% PH attacks no BB are sunk[:'(]

scott, looking forward to your AAR[:)]

In my game against Graycompany he sunk at least one, IIRC and the Arizona was at 98% damage. SHe might as well have sunk.

[Feinder]

i hope that this isn't because in 95% PH attacks no BB are sunk

Pauk is eggaerating just a wee bit. [;)]

From what I've read of AARs (and my experience), it's closer to about 1/8 games you get -0- sunk results on PH from on turn 1. It certainly -can- happen (to not sink anything). But then again, in my game vs. Erstad, he sank 4x BBs, and it wasn't because he stuck around for a second day.

Luck is just a pendulum. Sometimes it's in your favor (4x BBs sunk), and sometimes it isn't (none sunk).

Actually, I'd be curious to see if there was a (serious) impact on the POINTS by attacking Manilla. I think non-capital ships are greatly over-valued. Most transports are worth more than DDs, and are even worth more than some CLs(!). If you sink a bunch of small ships at Manilla on Turn 1, how does that compare to the ~400 points that is normally scored at PH (2x BBs) on Turn 1.

I'm just curious.

And for the record, I have allowed for the possability of a Manilla attack in PBEM games.

-F-

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: Feinder

Pauk is eggaerating just a wee bit. [;)]

From what I've read of AARs (and my experience), it's closer to about 1/8 games you get -0- sunk results on PH from on turn 1. It certainly -can- happen (to not sink anything). But then again, in my game vs. Erstad, he sank 4x BBs, and it wasn't because he stuck around for a second day.

Luck is just a pendulum. Sometimes it's in your favor (4x BBs sunk), and sometimes it isn't (none sunk).

hi, how many PBEM games started to get results as you've described? The luck have nothing with that. It's a famous Gary Grigsby dice roll which is responsible for pathetic PH results[;)]

I started 8 games - and in none of them single BB was sunk.
[:-]

oh, we are already hijacking AAR - sorry Scott[:)]

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: pauk

It's a famous Gary Grigsby dice roll which is responsible for pathetic PH results[;)]

I started 8 games - and in none of them single BB was sunk.

oh, we are already hijacking AAR - sorry Scott[:)]

Hi Pauk,

I don't think it's in the dice rolls per se. It's the way the ports work to almost magically save ships. The same thing happened when I sent the "American KB" to Truk against the AI in 43. At a level 9 port it is next to impossible to sink a capital ship. You may send them all to 99% sys damage, but to actually sink them is pretty much impossible. The result after 1 week of bombing from US carriers and massive allied air from Rabaul. 1 CV and 2 CA sunk, 4 CV sys 99%, 4 BB sys 99%

[scott64]

It seams some Allied ships found out the hard way that the waters in and around The Phillipines are very dangerous. [:-][X(]

AS Canopus, Torpedo hits 5,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Sagoland, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
TK Gertrude Kellogg, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Palawan, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Corregidor, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Paz, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
MSW Quail, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Anakan, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Capillo, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
MSW Bittern, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

Another strike

AK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
AK Anakan, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 1
AK Sagoland, Bomb hits 1,  on fire

Still another

AK Elcano, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
AK Taurus, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Escalante R, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Governor Wright, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
TK Manatawny, Torpedo hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Escalante R, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Taurus, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Governor Wright, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage

The results were around 6 more ships sunk. [:'(][X(] Total of 41 ships confirmed sunk to The Rising Sun Empire's lone ship. I thought we lost a couple more but were not confirmed as of Dec 11, 1941.

It seams a couple of my carriers are magnets for planes and their primative bombs. Case in point [:'(][:D]

Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 5
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 4 damaged
 
Japanese Ships
CVE Hosho

Another

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 6
Blenheim IV x 9
 
No Japanese losses
 
No Allied losses
 
Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
CVL Zuiho

Another but one gets through

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 15
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 11 damaged
 
Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
CA Haguro

Still another

Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 8
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 5 damaged
 
Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo,  on fire
CA Myoko

No wait there is more. [:'(]

Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 5
Buffalo I x 8
Blenheim IV x 12
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 4 damaged
Buffalo I: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
 
Japanese Ships
CVE Hosho
CVL Zuiho
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro

Multiple strikes and only one single bomb hit. [X(][:'(][:)] Ryujo is on her way to a top secret place. Her damage is unknown and her distination is not clear. 

[Kapten Q]

ORIGINAL: pauk


I started 8 games - and in none of them single BB was sunk.
[:-]

You did offcourse change the KB airgroup setup before the strike?

Q

[scott64]

Rements of a rag-tag Allied surface fleet with its tail between its legs, ran into one of my surface fllets near Tarakan. [:'(][:D]

Day Time Surface Combat at 36,61

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
DD Satsuki
DD Minazuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Harukaze
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
DD Peary, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
DD Pope, Shell hits 27, on fire, heavy damage
PG Asheville, and is sunk
MSW Finch, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tanager, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AO Trinity, Shell hits 1
AP President Madison, heavy damage
AK Bisayas, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

It looks like the crew of the Asheville took one look at my task force and blew up. [:'(] Those allied boys are quaking in their boots like giggly jello. [:'(][:D][X(]

Hmm. seems the Allied carriers have come out to play with my toys. [:'(]

Day Air attack on TF, near Apamama at 86,92


Allied aircraft
F2A Buffalo x 12
SBD Dauntless x 34


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
ML Tsugaru, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
ML Tokiwa, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
ML Okinoshima, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Today Dec 16th 1941 the Imperial Japanese forces took the bases of Sorong and Lamon Bay. [8D]

[scott64]

Oh where shall I go next [:'(]

A couple of Dutch bases fell, including Ambonia. Lost a minelayer near Tarawa from a Allied air attack. [:-]

Now where to go next:
1. Baker Island
2. Canton Island
3. Batavia
4. Kendari
5. Midway

Please vote now. [8D][:'(][X(]

[scott64]

Screen shot for the end of 1941 [:'(]

[scott64]

Update to one month into the WAR. Jan 7th 1942. [:'(]

[scott64]

Lets try this again, seem the forum stopped for a few minutes. [:@]

Nuts and bolts of the war. aka Ships and planes.

Stephen has lost a CA and 9 DD while I have lost a lone CL. [:'(]

Planes lost

P40E 79 [X(][:'(]
PBY 44
Buffalo 38
P40B 35
Zero 32
Martin 30
Lily 29
Blenhiem 28
Kate 27
B17E 20

There you have it, the end of the first month. [:'(]