Andy Mac v PZB ....The Allies Fight Back
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RE: Wasile Falls !!!
p.s. Because of the supply situation of my ground units 35k of supplies is at the base when captured and the seabees have done there job the AF is open and 1 sqn of Spits and 1 of P38J's are pfroving aircover for the base.
I will bring in 2 Sqns of F4U's ASAP as well.
100 good LB Fighters will make it tough for PZB to close the AF
I will bring in 2 Sqns of F4U's ASAP as well.
100 good LB Fighters will make it tough for PZB to close the AF
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
I think I will move my USMC Para Bn into Wasile as well I can see all sorts of irritating possibilities for PZB.......this area has 100's of bases can he garrison them all ?
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
Hydra has gone well so far, but you have a lot of strung out bases. Perhaps a bit of consolidation is in order. I would develop a few mutually supporting lvl 4 a/f bases in the Amboina/Wasile area (no map here so I can't name any right now). That would give you a solid base from which to press further into Borneo as String suggested. Oh and get Noemfoor sorted out quickly - a lot of your now limited assets in SWPAC would be tied up keeping your LOC open.
You said you destroyed 1700 Jap a/c in the Wasile/Morotai operation - If PzB could gather that many again then any further moves forward would be very risky - if you don't consolidate.
Thanks for a great AAR[&o]
You said you destroyed 1700 Jap a/c in the Wasile/Morotai operation - If PzB could gather that many again then any further moves forward would be very risky - if you don't consolidate.
Thanks for a great AAR[&o]

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RE: Wasile Falls !!!
Go for S Borneo and after it take W Borneo thus isolating Japan out of Oil Supply your 4E heavy's + 2 E bombers should sink every Jap Tanker in Sight... and then you can see how fast he will run out of Oil and HI points...

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RE: Wasile Falls !!!
I do have lots of bases that are strung out but they are all well supplied covered with DD's or PT Boats and well garrisoned
If I take Amboina and Namlea then that will give me 4 advanced bases in the area.
Apart from nuisance raids the main focus will be on developing those bases and Kai Island.
I won't have the strength for much more.
Just a quick recap of future ops
8th US Army (Tinian)
V Amphib Corps (Tinian)
3rd US Corps (Tinian)
III Amphib Corps (Pagan)
9th US Corps (Marcus/Wake)
6th US Army (Saipan)
1st Amphib Corps (Saipan)
11th US Corps (Saipan)
1st Aus Army (Hydra)
1st Aus Corps (Available)
1st US Corps (Wasile - moving to army reserve)
14th US Corps (Noemfoor)
ABDA Corps (Amboina/Namlea)
Only really 1st Aus Corps is ready for an operation at present and I am strongly considering using them to sieze Admiralties and Emirau as they have been bombed back to the stone age.
These bases must be out of supply and would be easy pickings
So basically a little back office consolidation is what I am considering.
Andy
If I take Amboina and Namlea then that will give me 4 advanced bases in the area.
Apart from nuisance raids the main focus will be on developing those bases and Kai Island.
I won't have the strength for much more.
Just a quick recap of future ops
8th US Army (Tinian)
V Amphib Corps (Tinian)
3rd US Corps (Tinian)
III Amphib Corps (Pagan)
9th US Corps (Marcus/Wake)
6th US Army (Saipan)
1st Amphib Corps (Saipan)
11th US Corps (Saipan)
1st Aus Army (Hydra)
1st Aus Corps (Available)
1st US Corps (Wasile - moving to army reserve)
14th US Corps (Noemfoor)
ABDA Corps (Amboina/Namlea)
Only really 1st Aus Corps is ready for an operation at present and I am strongly considering using them to sieze Admiralties and Emirau as they have been bombed back to the stone age.
These bases must be out of supply and would be easy pickings
So basically a little back office consolidation is what I am considering.
Andy
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
I could do that but only at the expense of not assaulting the Marianas and I think getting 4E in range of HI is more valuable.
My subs will cause mayhem on the northern route and my 2E bombers will close the south Borneo channel
Andy
My subs will cause mayhem on the northern route and my 2E bombers will close the south Borneo channel
Andy
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
Btw, how is your sub war coming along? As you've upgraded to the latest patch the air ASW should be reasonable now.
Surface combat TF fanboy
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
We have and my subs are moving into position again to get ready for a blitz on his LOC's
I figure if I can close the Tarakan straight with Liberators out of Wasile then he will have to send all his tankers the Northern Route [:D][:D][:D]
My subs will be waiting.........................................
I figure if I can close the Tarakan straight with Liberators out of Wasile then he will have to send all his tankers the Northern Route [:D][:D][:D]
My subs will be waiting.........................................
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RE: Wasile Falls !!!
Good Andy Let the Japs Starve[:D]

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RE: Wasile Falls !!!
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
We have and my subs are moving into position again to get ready for a blitz on his LOC's
I figure if I can close the Tarakan straight with Liberators out of Wasile then he will have to send all his tankers the Northern Route [:D][:D][:D]
My subs will be waiting.........................................
Also, shadow his major fleet bases with subs, they can be quite effective [;)]
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RE: Wasile Falls !!!
Andy,
Just curious on how long a typical turn takes you considering the amount of forces at your disposal?? The AAR dosen't count. Some of us long suffering Allied players live through your play to have such a force at our disposal. [&o]
Just curious on how long a typical turn takes you considering the amount of forces at your disposal?? The AAR dosen't count. Some of us long suffering Allied players live through your play to have such a force at our disposal. [&o]
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If I am in mid operation maybe 20 minutes or in stand down mode
If I am in planning phase hours but I tend to plan in between turns rather than on the live turn
Turns do not take long if you document your planning i.e. if you have to check the prep points of every unit every other turn it can take ages do it once and document it and keep it up to date and its easy.
I tend to think in terms of Corps and Armies now anyway [:D][:D]
If I am in planning phase hours but I tend to plan in between turns rather than on the live turn
Turns do not take long if you document your planning i.e. if you have to check the prep points of every unit every other turn it can take ages do it once and document it and keep it up to date and its easy.
I tend to think in terms of Corps and Armies now anyway [:D][:D]
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
OK Quiet one except that PZB finally realised the best use of his CV;s [:@]
Commerce raiding is far and away the best use of KB at this stage.
Fast hit and run raids on my supply lines are almost impossibel to entirely stop and with troop convoys at sea cause extreme dislocation !!!!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/13/44
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M5 Zeke x 189
J2M Jack x 94
B6N Jill x 48
G4M2 Betty x 24
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 35
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 20
Runway hits 263
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 192
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 7
Ki-21 Sally x 117
Ki-49 Helen x 20
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
P-38J Lightning x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 104 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed
Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 28
B-25J Mitchell x 15
PB4Y Liberator x 20
B-24J Liberator x 43
Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
143 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 122
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 6
B-25J Mitchell x 26
PB4Y Liberator x 7
B-24J Liberator x 68
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 154
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81
Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 4
Spitfire VIII x 3
A-20G Havoc x 14
Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Mountain Gun Regiment, at 61,86
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 20
SB2C Helldiver x 15
TBF Avenger x 3
TBM Avenger x 27
Avenger II x 8
Kittyhawk III x 23
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
P-40N Warhawk x 67
B-25J Mitchell x 46
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
Kittyhawk III x 7
P-38J Lightning x 3
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 3 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 35
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 16
P-40N Warhawk x 10
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 88,68 [:@][:@] IJN carrier probably a solo
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 15
B6N Jill x 2
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
TK J.C. Fitzsimmons, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,70
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 8
B6N Jill x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
DE Manning, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground combat at Kavieng
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 7594 troops, 39 guns, 121 vehicles, Assault Value = 175
Defending force 2252 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
Allied max assault: 322 - adjusted assault: 484
Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 7
Allied assault odds: 69 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
658 casualties reported
Guns lost 68
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Ground combat at Noemfoor
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1435 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 735
Defending force 32621 troops, 237 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 597
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Commerce raiding is far and away the best use of KB at this stage.
Fast hit and run raids on my supply lines are almost impossibel to entirely stop and with troop convoys at sea cause extreme dislocation !!!!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/13/44
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M5 Zeke x 189
J2M Jack x 94
B6N Jill x 48
G4M2 Betty x 24
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 35
No Japanese losses
Airbase hits 20
Runway hits 263
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 192
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 7
Ki-21 Sally x 117
Ki-49 Helen x 20
Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 11
P-38J Lightning x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 104 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed
Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 28
B-25J Mitchell x 15
PB4Y Liberator x 20
B-24J Liberator x 43
Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
143 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 122
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Noemfoor , at 45,76
Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 6
B-25J Mitchell x 26
PB4Y Liberator x 7
B-24J Liberator x 68
Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 154
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81
Allied aircraft
Boomerang II x 4
Spitfire VIII x 3
A-20G Havoc x 14
Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
3 x A-20G Havoc bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Mountain Gun Regiment, at 61,86
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 20
SB2C Helldiver x 15
TBF Avenger x 3
TBM Avenger x 27
Avenger II x 8
Kittyhawk III x 23
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
P-40N Warhawk x 67
B-25J Mitchell x 46
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
Kittyhawk III x 7
P-38J Lightning x 3
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 3 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 32nd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 45,76
Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk III x 35
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 16
P-40N Warhawk x 10
Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 88,68 [:@][:@] IJN carrier probably a solo
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 15
B6N Jill x 2
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
TK J.C. Fitzsimmons, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,70
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 8
B6N Jill x 10
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
DE Manning, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground combat at Kavieng
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 7594 troops, 39 guns, 121 vehicles, Assault Value = 175
Defending force 2252 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5
Allied max assault: 322 - adjusted assault: 484
Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 7
Allied assault odds: 69 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
658 casualties reported
Guns lost 68
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Ground combat at Noemfoor
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 1435 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 735
Defending force 32621 troops, 237 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 597
Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
This is a real threat he has a carrier TF (probably only one CV) between Pearl and Marshalls
There are several spots he can hit me like this a hit and fade operation is really what he should be using carriers for now.
Its harassing and annoying and with a large re deployment of my forces due soon - extremenly annoying !!! In other words its the correct tactic.
The only way to counter it is to have a reaction force nearbye (which I do have but that means that 2 of my CV's lose some yard time and by the time I get there he will have withdrawn).
Looks like I am going to have to strengthen all my convoy escorts [:@][:@]
Andy
There are several spots he can hit me like this a hit and fade operation is really what he should be using carriers for now.
Its harassing and annoying and with a large re deployment of my forces due soon - extremenly annoying !!! In other words its the correct tactic.
The only way to counter it is to have a reaction force nearbye (which I do have but that means that 2 of my CV's lose some yard time and by the time I get there he will have withdrawn).
Looks like I am going to have to strengthen all my convoy escorts [:@][:@]
Andy
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
His oil stockpiles in HI are probably huge. Im not sure inderdicting his oil supply is going to hurt in the short to medium term. By the long time the HI will be under constant attack anyway. But sure will be fun time for the subs [:D]
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
Hmmm I am not so sure I dont really understand production but just shot down 1,600 aircraft in 10 days ...
He has to produce the aircraft he uses surely his economy is running at high speed now.
Lets say he has 2 or 3 million oil in HI by now what is an average burn rate for the japanese economy.
If he has 2 years supply then I am wasting my time I agree if he has 12 months then perhaps not.
Andy
He has to produce the aircraft he uses surely his economy is running at high speed now.
Lets say he has 2 or 3 million oil in HI by now what is an average burn rate for the japanese economy.
If he has 2 years supply then I am wasting my time I agree if he has 12 months then perhaps not.
Andy
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RE: Wasile Falls !!!
You should have a bunch of CVE available for escort.
Also,you can use your death star aggressively to hunt down his navy in his own ports. you'll hurt him more than he will hurt you.
Also,you can use your death star aggressively to hunt down his navy in his own ports. you'll hurt him more than he will hurt you.
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
I do I have 8 CVE at Pearl and about another 15 supporting the Wasile Op (mixed CVR CVE)
CVR's are golddust DO NOT convert them into normal CVE's you will need every single CVR you can get your hands on they saved my bacon at Wasile keeping my Hellcat Sqns up to strength
CVR's are golddust DO NOT convert them into normal CVE's you will need every single CVR you can get your hands on they saved my bacon at Wasile keeping my Hellcat Sqns up to strength
RE: Wasile Falls !!!
Quiet couple of turns Wasile is at level 2 already and rising fast.
Seabees running 24 hour shifts !!!
I think I amn about 2 weeks behind schedule for hitting Marianas
One more invasion to go then its rest and refit while my men get ready
Seabees running 24 hour shifts !!!
I think I amn about 2 weeks behind schedule for hitting Marianas
One more invasion to go then its rest and refit while my men get ready
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RE: Wasile Falls !!!
The super coffee the military has works wonders for tired troops.[&o]
Could have used some myself while going through 6 years of college and working full time. [:D]
Could have used some myself while going through 6 years of college and working full time. [:D]
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