Constructing Multi-national Core Forces

[KG Erwin]

So, you wanna start a long campaign, but incorporate some allies into your force. For "bang for your buck", I look at the ANZAC OOB. Historical? Absolutely. Look at the composition of MacArthur's forces in the Southwest Pacific Area.

OK, so I concentrate on the Marines in the Southern/Central Pacific, which remained exclusively American, but "dugout Doug" had a nice mix of nationalities under his command. It's a great alternative, and gives one a chance to explore the potential of the great troopers in the other OOBs.

The only catch is, under the auspices of US Army command, the replacements will take on US morale/experience characteristics.

Same goes for the Germans in the southern front in Barbarossa. The 11th Army had Romanian units under direct operational control, and this was expanded to include Hungarian and Italian units later on.

Strictly speaking, the German allies had some independence, but for game purposes, those allied units are under your control. All it takes is the willingness to experiment.

[azraelck]

Lately, I've been making note of abandoned vehicles and guns, and been incorporating them into my force as "captured" units to replace destroyed units. I never straight up replace a functioning unit with a "captured" one, however. A couple Renault tanks, A couple Matilda IIs, ect... here and there. Adds some variety and spice to my force, as well as makes up for the inherant deficiencies of my core, which in the above examples consist of Panzer II, III, and IV units. The Panzer III's, IIRC, were equipped with a less than effective low-velocity 37mm, the Panzer IVs a low-velocity 75mm. Of course, the 20mm gun of the Panzer IIs are worthless against tanks. An FT17 could take one of them, IMO. 

[KG Erwin]

Azraelck, are you referring to the desert campaign?  The Afrika Korps was famous for incorporating captured equipment into its inventory.  The most famous example was Rommel's adaptation of a British command vehicle for his own use.  This became known as the Mammoth. (Mammut).  

[azraelck]

I am well aware of that fact. Though, I started a bit earlier, with a captured french tank in my third battle. Nothing in the Polish or Belgium equipment survived or was equal to the equipment I had already, so I ignored it. It's just a thing I started to do with this particular campaign, though I'm having issues due to a lack of the 8.8cms that were so instrumental in the early victories in N. Africa. I may lose a battle, just so I can get some for the next one.

[Korpraali V]

Taking the Commonwealth in North Africa or in India/Burma brings you lots of opportunities:

North Africa:
-British
-India
-ANZAC
(-Free French)
(-Greek)

India/Burma:
-British
-India
-ANZAC
-Nationalist China

[:D]

[Puukkoo]

I buy Italians with support points when I play as Germans in North Africa. Long campaign is just another way to test the Enchanced Mod.

[forgorin]

Chechs
 
Been playing them in the German campaign.  What a blast.  After the first few battles (if you dont lose) their moral gets better and is no longer such a problem.  Their next problem is that they have really crappy tanks.  They do squat against anythign with armor!  However they do get some captured flame tanks from the Germans who in turn seems to have gotten them off the french.  January '42 rolled around and tada.  I have Tiger tanks!  Can you beleive it.  The Germans dont have it yet.  Well anyways they did not fair well at all.  They had morales of less than 20!  So they were quite useless.
Besides all that.  Wow! What fun! 
Next up the Indians vs the Japanese!

[Alby]

ORIGINAL: forgorin

Chechs
January '42 rolled around and tada. I have Tiger tanks! Can you beleive it. The Germans dont have it yet.

That error has been caught and corrected for Enhanced V2
[:D]

[forgorin]

When should they be out?  The same as the Germans or later?  It its much later then I dont kow if my tanks can stand getting shredded anymore!

[Korpraali V]

Those GE -marked units are not Chechoslovakian. They are extremely rare German units that are placed to Chechoslovakian OOB because there is not enough room in German OOB. [:)]

[forgorin]

OH

[Alby]

ORIGINAL: Korpraali V

Those GE -marked units are not Chechoslovakian. They are extremely rare German units that are placed to Chechoslovakian OOB because there is not enough room in German OOB. [:)]

Actually I have no idea why the Tiger tank is even in the Czech oob. But it always has been there it seems.
[&:]
hopefully someday, that messed up oob can get straightend around.
Major D is working on it, but will be a long time until it is done I am afraid.
ya got Czechs, Slovaks, German stuff in there, the IND forces.
My choice would be to make alot of that rare German stuff in there available only 1949 for scenario design.
plus get rid of the duplicate stuff thats already in the German OOB.
Marders, SP mortars, sp flak units and more.
I may just do that for Version 2 and then Major can keep working on it "behind the scenes"
[:D]

[Korpraali V]

ORIGINAL: Alby
Actually I have no idea why the Tiger tank is even in the Czech oob. But it always has been there it seems.
[&:]

Possible test version?

ORIGINAL: Alby
ya got Czechs, Slovaks, German stuff in there, the IND forces.

IND?[&:]

[Don Doom]

ORIGINAL: Alby

ORIGINAL: Korpraali V

Those GE -marked units are not Chechoslovakian. They are extremely rare German units that are placed to Chechoslovakian OOB because there is not enough room in German OOB. [:)]

Actually I have no idea why the Tiger tank is even in the Czech oob. But it always has been there it seems.
[&:]
hopefully someday, that messed up oob can get straightend around.
Major D is working on it, but will be a long time until it is done I am afraid.
ya got Czechs, Slovaks, German stuff in there, the IND forces.
My choice would be to make alot of that rare German stuff in there available only 1949 for scenario design.
plus get rid of the duplicate stuff thats already in the German OOB.
Marders, SP mortars, sp flak units and more.
I may just do that for Version 2 and then Major can keep working on it "behind the scenes"
[:D]

Actually i don't agree with making most or all of the german units designer only units. Once in awhile it is nice to have them to use in the long campaigns. That is when I get some free time to play again.

[Alby]

Ya I agree, I changed my mind on the 49 only thing, but am gonna remove the duplicates.
[:D]

[Don Doom]

ORIGINAL: Alby

Ya I agree, I changed my mind on the 49 only thing, but am gonna remove the duplicates.
[:D]

What dup's?

[Alby]

Tiger, SdKfz 251/2, Marder III H,(Czechs already have one of these anyway [&:].) Panther II, Maus, Pzfst 150, King Tiger, 76mm auf Zgkw (Diana), 88mm auf Zgkw (12t-DB10), Grille, 170mm FH....
some others I dont recall at the moment.
[:(]


BTW anyone with any knowledge of actual Czech forces, contact Major Destruction, he posted a message asking for same over at The Depot.
[:)]

[Don Doom]

ORIGINAL: Alby

Tiger, SdKfz 251/2, Marder III H,(Czechs already have one of these anyway [&:].) Panther II, Maus, Pzfst 150, King Tiger, 76mm auf Zgkw (Diana), 88mm auf Zgkw (12t-DB10), Grille, 170mm FH....
some others I dont recall at the moment.
[:(]

What did ya'll remove to add the german equipment back to the german oob?
If you want to send your answer by pm, that is fine since I beleive we have hi-jacked this thread long enough.

don

[Alby]

ORIGINAL: Don Doom

ORIGINAL: Alby

Tiger, SdKfz 251/2, Marder III H,(Czechs already have one of these anyway [&:].) Panther II, Maus, Pzfst 150, King Tiger, 76mm auf Zgkw (Diana), 88mm auf Zgkw (12t-DB10), Grille, 170mm FH....
some others I dont recall at the moment.
[:(]

What did ya'll remove to add the german equipment back to the german oob?
If you want to send your answer by pm, that is fine since I beleive we have hi-jacked this thread long enough.

don

hehehehe
Gunny wont mind, he hijacks em all the time.
[:D]
anyway the Tiger, King tiger, 251/2, Marder III H, Maus and the Grille were already in the German OOB.
so why they needed to be duplicated and placed in the Czech OOB as "rare" German stuff is beyond me.
Plus the Czech tiger was avaialble before the German one!!
LOL
I know the King tiger was supposed to represent the protoype one from Porsche I think? I have fofrgotten now, but the unit being in CZech is still redundant.
had basically same stats.
The 170mm FH, Pzfst 150, Diana and 12T db10 now all in German oob.

Okay done hijacking now
[:D]

[:D][:D][:D]

[Don Doom]

ORIGINAL: Alby

ORIGINAL: Don Doom

ORIGINAL: Alby

Tiger, SdKfz 251/2, Marder III H,(Czechs already have one of these anyway [&:].) Panther II, Maus, Pzfst 150, King Tiger, 76mm auf Zgkw (Diana), 88mm auf Zgkw (12t-DB10), Grille, 170mm FH....
some others I dont recall at the moment.
[:(]

What did ya'll remove to add the german equipment back to the german oob?
If you want to send your answer by pm, that is fine since I beleive we have hi-jacked this thread long enough.

don

hehehehe
Gunny wont mind, he hijacks em all the time.
[:D]
anyway the Tiger, King tiger, 251/2, Marder III H, Maus and the Grille were already in the German OOB.
so why they needed to be duplicated and placed in the Czech OOB as "rare" German stuff is beyond me.
Plus the Czech tiger was avaialble before the German one!!
LOL
I know the King tiger was supposed to represent the protoype one from Porsche I think? I have fofrgotten now, but the unit being in CZech is still redundant.
had basically same stats.
The 170mm FH, Pzfst 150, Diana and 12T db10 now all in German oob.

Okay done hijacking now
[:D]

[:D][:D][:D]

The Porsche King turret armor is different, hull is the same. Had a large shot trap under the main gun as this would deflex the rounds down into the hull if hit under the front nose of the turret. Most where lost in normandy, so I would not just get rid of them, as they did play a part in the normandy battles up to the carpet bombing just before patton broke out.
mail me and we will talk about. Promis not to yell[:D]