Nomad(A) vs theelf(J) sen 160 CHS 2

[Nomad]

I see that Ian has his AAR going so I had better get moving.

This is a senario 160 test and/or game. If we run across any really bad OOB problems we might stop, but if we don't it will be a game to the finish. Senario 160 is for CHS using Andrew Browns fantastic extended map. The Soviet Navy is present from the start of the game. And then from ABs web page:

Experimental A2A variant: This variant has modified scenario data similar to that used in the "Nik Mod" by Nikademus, but with some additional changes. Specifically, the following data changes are applied:

The starting experience values of all Allied pilots has been decreased by 10%, except for USN pilots.
The starting experience values of all USN and Japanese pilots has been decreased by 5%.
The Zero bonus has been removed (this is compensated for by the larger reduction in Allied pilot experience).
The endurance values of all aircraft are increased by 50%.
The effect rating of all AA/DP weapons has been increased by 50%.
The accuracy ratings of all air-to-air weapons has been decreased by 50%.

The maximum speed value range has been compressed by halving the difference between actual aircraft max speed and a centre point of 350 MPH.

We have no or few house rules in place, mostly we have agreed that invasions should be completly supported with air power and surface fleets. Neither of us wants to game the game and take advantage of loopholes. It should be interesting. My main objective is to try to run the war the way I think the real Generals and Admirals would have given the situation. And I do want to both win and have fun, I just will not let winning override having fun and doing what I think is right. I have and will reserve the idea of Ian and I discussing any short comming the game provides. ie. house rules on the fly so to speak. More in a bit.

[denisonh]

Look forward to the AAR Nomad. I need to take notes for my upcoming PBEM as Allies against TheElf.

ORIGINAL: Nomad

I see that Ian has his AAR going so I had better get moving.

This is a senario 160 test and/or game. If we run across any really bad OOB problems we might stop, but if we don't it will be a game to the finish. Senario 160 is for CHS using Andrew Browns fantastic extended map. The Soviet Navy is present from the start of the game. And then from ABs web page:

Experimental A2A variant: This variant has modified scenario data similar to that used in the "Nik Mod" by Nikademus, but with some additional changes. Specifically, the following data changes are applied:

The starting experience values of all Allied pilots has been decreased by 10%, except for USN pilots.
The starting experience values of all USN and Japanese pilots has been decreased by 5%.
The Zero bonus has been removed (this is compensated for by the larger reduction in Allied pilot experience).
The endurance values of all aircraft are increased by 50%.
The effect rating of all AA/DP weapons has been increased by 50%.
The accuracy ratings of all air-to-air weapons has been decreased by 50%.

The maximum speed value range has been compressed by halving the difference between actual aircraft max speed and a centre point of 350 MPH.

We have no or few house rules in place, mostly we have agreed that invasions should be completly supported with air power and surface fleets. Neither of us wants to game the game and take advantage of loopholes. It should be interesting. My main objective is to try to run the war the way I think the real Generals and Admirals would have given the situation. And I do want to both win and have fun, I just will not let winning override having fun and doing what I think is right. I have and will reserve the idea of Ian and I discussing any short comming the game provides. ie. house rules on the fly so to speak. More in a bit.

[Nomad]

The first turn has run and Ian did a PH attack. This is the BB/CA/CL/DD damage list for PH:




BB Maryland and a PT sunk at PH.

A somewhat troubling thing, but Ian might have changed a number of things, is that I lost 164 aircraft to his 85. Less than 2:1. [8|]

He landed at a smaller number of bases than I expected. He landed forces at Midway(repulsed [:D] ), Guam, Legaspi, Viagan, Kota Bharu, Batan Island( he took it ). there are a number of TFs at Aparri. A number of his Nells and Bettys were on Naval Attack, CHS starts with a number of Allied ships around China, Hong Kong, PI, etc. A few of them got plastered [:(]. As per my ususal alowing the Japanese to have nearly total surprise on turn 1, I only redirected my CV tfs( toward Aukland ), and a couple of others, gave a orders to a few units in China.

[ny59giants]

Good to see.
I have two PBEM's on hold unto 2.04 comes out (hopefully soon)and will play 155.
I'm playing agaisnt the AI to get a feel after all gameplaying done before on stock map and only Nik Mod as variant.

Good luck and I will look here for some sage advise. [;)]

[Nomad]

I haven't seen any turns lately( for any game ) so I'll type some. I plan on fighting as hard as possible in the PI. I have sent all my subs out on sub ops. A group of 6 to around Formosa. A group of 6 outside of Saigon. A group of 6 around Davao. Six more to Legaspi and two North of Palau. I have sent PTs to Vigan and some from Hong Kong to Formosa [X(] ( could be a surprise for Ian ). All units in Mayalya will stand and fight, no evacuations. The Dutch have no where to retreat to, so they also fight and die. I may make some evacuations of either depleted units or some base forces when there are no aircraft for them to support. But, I may not, I will have to see what happens. I do wish they had come up with something other the limited PPs to move restricted units from a restriced base to another by air or sea. I would like to move some units to better positions but still remain in the same Command HQ area. Oh well, rant over.

The obvious priorities will be India, Australia, New Zealand, the Hawaiian Islands and the West Coast. The South Pacific HQ does not show up for a while ( 130 days in Aukland ). After I feel the above are secure, then I will look at puting forces at Pago Pago and Nouema. Suva has a small force that starts there, it will be the next island to be reinforced. One question is whether I should reinforce Ceylon? I would hate to have him launching aircraft from its two excellent airfields, but I also hate to lose troops there that I might need in India proper. Any ideas on that?

[Nomad]

Report for 12/9/42:

The damn out of sync combat replay was in full force. Also, I have a TF I created in Aden last turn and sent to Calcutta. It is now three or four hexes south of Aden, stuck in the brown stuff.

None of my PT attacks did anything. [:@] This one was really frustrating( not sure where the replay went haywire ) when I viewed it the combat started at 2000 feet and the first message was "task forces break off" WHAT? [&:][:@]
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Batan Islands at 46,47

Japanese Ships
MSW W.7
MSW W.8
MSW Rokko Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #2
PC Kyo Maru #2
PC Kyo Maru #11
PC Kyo Maru #12
PC Kyo Maru #13
PC Ch 13
PC Ch 14
AK Anyo Maru
AK Mansei Maru
AK Takaoka Maru
AK Kamoi Maru
AK Oridono Maru
AK Shinyubari Maru
AK Sugiyama Maru
AK Yamagiku Maru
AK Sydney Maru
AK Tohuku Maru
AK Akashi Maru
AK Kosei Maru
AK Koyo Maru
AK Tenzan Maru
AK Unkai Maru #6
AK Kotoku Maru
AK Kumagawa Maru
AK Okitu Maru
AK Tenyo Maru
AK Husimi Maru
AK Palao Maru
AK Chuko Maru
AK Hokuzan Maru

Allied Ships
PT MTB 7
PT MTB 8
PT MTB 9
PT MTB 10

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There's 34 ships there, are PTs afraid of MSWs and PCs? [:(] Maybe the massed firepower of the APs scared them off?
Where in the heck are those "uber PTs" the JFBs talk about? I would like to buy a few.

I sent CA Houston into Legaspi, but she got sunk by a CL with 4 DDs. I tried.

Ian did not hit PH again, so no more ships will sink in the harbour. I still will not move any ships out for a few days or weeks.

I have decided to leave the oil and resource centers in the USA just repair. They were all set to repair yes, and I left them that way. I'll see if that is the right thing to do.

More shipping got hit around the PI, not much I can do. I have sent most of them in one ship TFs and scattered them. Some of them will get through. Queation: What about the dry dock at Manilla? Is it gamey to try and move it?

I am going to risk using force Z in Malaya. I sent it to Kuantan and will try to hit a TF unloading at Kota Bharu. I am trying to act as complacent as the real guys. Those damn Japs can't sink my BB. [;)][:D]

CL Boise will meet up with some Dutch CLs and DDs tomorrow. I need to see where they can operate if at all possible.

I have no idea what to do in China. The setup is so different. I am leaving most everything alone right now. I moved the AVG in to Chungking. I am moving the units north of Yenen to Lanchow.

Most everywhere else it is just wait and see what happens.

[Nomad]

report for 12/10/42

Still have a combat replay sync problem. If it doesn't fix itself this turn, we will have to try the Pompack method.

Not much to report, the Japanese took Legaspi and Makin that turn. Nothing in either. I am a bit bummed with the sync problem. Plus, about all I can do right now is hold on for the ride. [:D]

I did send force A on a surface combat mission. I wonder if anything will happen? [:)]

[Ron Saueracker]

I hope Ken is ready for 5 turns minimum, per day.[:D]

[Nomad]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

I hope Ken is ready for 5 turns minimum, per day.[:D]

One per day is all I need to eliminate the Allies with you in command. [:D]

Report for 12/10/41
This is the surface combat for Force Z:
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kota Bharu at 24,45

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 1
BB Haruna, Shell hits 1
CA Takao
CA Atago, Shell hits 2
CL Jintsu
DD Asashio
DD Oshio, Shell hits 1
DD Michishio
DD Arashio, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Hibiki, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 1
BC Repulse, Shell hits 1
CL Danae, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tenedos
DD Vampire, Shell hits 2
DD Electra, Shell hits 1
DD Express, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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DD Express sank and CL Danae will probably sink next turn. [:(] But at least I tried. Now Ian knows he will have to
protect his convoys. that might slow him down some.

I'm still looking for those elusive "uber" PT boats: [&:]
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 45,48

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
DD Satsuki
DD Minazuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Harukaze
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
PT MTB 7, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
PT MTB 9, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
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I lost Laoag and Appari ( there are no units there at the start )

Hong Kong is doing nicely:
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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23264 troops, 162 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 482

Defending force 25950 troops, 125 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 318

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese max assault: 528 - adjusted assault: 566

Allied max defense: 313 - adjusted defense: 2590 Wow, what an increase, x8.25, I like it [:D]

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese ground losses:
444 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
106 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
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One good note is that this turn was not affected by the combat replay sync bug. [:)]

edited to try and fix some spelling before the damn spelling police see this post [:'(][8|]

[Nomad]

12/11/42 report

Kota Bharu fell today.

Lost a few more ships( there are a lot of ships in the PPI area at the start )

[Nomad]

Report for 12/12/42:

No bases were captured by the Japanese that turn

Some more ships were damaged and/or sunk around the PI.

It is a bit hard to do much in an AAR when you are starting out and playing the Allies. I have no
real successes to report and not too many failures either.

Ian does seem to be moving slowly, and carefully. I am taking another chance, Ian has been bombing Hong Kong with no fighter support, so I moved a Squadron of the AVG in to see what happens.

force Z has been sent to Batavia for the time being. No good targets have appeared and sitting at
Singapore is dangerous.

[Ron Saueracker]

One per day is all I need to eliminate the Allies with you in command.

How rude....and lacking in substance.[:D]

[Nomad]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

One per day is all I need to eliminate the Allies with you in command.

How rude....and lacking in substance.[:D]

It may be rude but it has all the substance it needs, it is the truth according to Nomad. [:D][:-][8|]

[Nomad]

Report for 12/13/41:
Just for the heck of it, here is the entire combat report( I don't do this often )
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/13/41

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Sub attack near Wake Island at 85,72
After being rebuffed the first turn, Ian is returning, but he isn't going to like it [:)]
Japanese Ships
AP Kotobuki Maru #3, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Triton

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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ASW attack at 46,48

Japanese Ships
APD Patrol Boat No. 39
APD Patrol Boat No. 38
APD Patrol Boat No. 37

Allied Ships
SS Pickerel

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ASW attack at 127,66

Japanese Ships
SS I-9

Allied Ships
DD Kennison
DD Crosby
DD Dent
DD Talbot
DD Waters

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ASW attack at 31,46

Japanese Ships
DD Shirakumo
DD Usugumo
DD Shinonome

Allied Ships
SS Salmon, hits 2 Scratched the paint

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Sub attack at 31,46

Japanese Ships
AK Johore Maru

Allied Ships
SS Salmon

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Sub attack at 32,46

Japanese Ships
AK Sado Maru
PC Ch 9
PG Chosa Maru

Allied Ships
SS Stingray

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Night Air attack on TF at 44,48


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 6


Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Takaoka Maru
AK Akashi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Stingray

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x PBY Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x PBY Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Masbate Island at 44,55

Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze
DD Tokitsukaze

Allied Ships
PG Tulsa, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near San Fernando at 43,49

Japanese Ships
PG Idzumo, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
PG Iwate

Allied Ships
PT PT-31
PT PT-32
PT PT-33, Shell hits 38, and is sunk
PT PT-34, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

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ASW attack at 43,48

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 12
PC Ch 11
PC Ch 10

Allied Ships
SS S-36

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 85,72, firing at TF 23
TF 23 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 85,72


261 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Kaito Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
539 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 85,72, firing at TF 23
TF 23 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 85,72


149 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported

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Sub attack at 31,47

Japanese Ships
AP Katori Maru, Shell hits 7

Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon, hits 4, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Sub attack at 31,47
Sturgeon was patroling just south of Saigon
Japanese Ships
AP Katori Maru, Shell hits 7

Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon, hits 4, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Day Air attack on Ichang , at 47,34


Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 14
IL-4c x 9


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 15000 feet
6 x IL-4c bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kuantan , at 24,48

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 6

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
G3M Nell x 27
G4M1 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
125 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x G3M Nell bombing at 13000 feet
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 13000 feet
9 x G3M Nell bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on 19th Mixed Brigade, at 43,39


Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 15


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-40B Tomahawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 7
Ki-51 Sonia x 10
Ki-21-II Sally x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged
Ki-21-II Sally: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 12000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 47,36

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 13
Ki-30 Ann x 31
Ki-51 Sonia x 9
Ki-15 Babs x 2

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
21 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd ISF Base Force, at 24,44

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 3
Ki-32 Mary x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-32 Mary: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 11th Reserve Division, at 43,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 8
Ki-30 Ann x 31

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,65

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 7

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 4
B-17E Fortress x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 4 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 8000 feet
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 8000 feet
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,66

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 1
B5N2 Kate x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Palawan, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 7
B5N2 Kate x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Sagoland, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 62,67

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 15
F1M2 Pete x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x F1M2 Pete bombing at 2000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 4000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 4000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 4000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 68,63

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Dos Hermanos

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 55,65

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Parcita

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
B5N2 Kate x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP Basilan

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
Ki-48-I Lily x 13

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-48-I Lily: 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 34,60

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 7

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged


Allied Ships
TK British Judge, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,70

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 1

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Governor Taft

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,63

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Sarangami

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x F1M2 Pete bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 63,67

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Taurus

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G3M Nell bombing at 4000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 4000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 4000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,54

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
B5N2 Kate x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AR Dewey Dry Dock, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 5000 feet
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Sub attack at 31,46

Japanese Ships
AP Miike Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Salmon

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Sub attack at 31,46

Japanese Ships
AP Miike Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Salmon


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Ground combat at Wake Island

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 2661 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Defending force 2974 troops, 62 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese max assault: 118 - adjusted assault: 1

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 15

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1)


Japanese ground losses:
582 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 1
I told you Ian wouldn't like Wake Island [:)]

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Ground combat at Wuchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22260 troops, 127 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 520

Defending force 13918 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 249



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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4310 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 466

Defending force 25825 troops, 125 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 313



Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Hong Kong holding fine.

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Ground combat at 24,46

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 22969 troops, 148 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 474

Defending force 5151 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Japanese max assault: 1028 - adjusted assault: 252

Allied max defense: 66 - adjusted defense: 13

Japanese assault odds: 19 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
663 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported
You have to love it. You achieved a 19:1 attack rating - You Lose

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Tavoy

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10710 troops, 68 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 331

Defending force 540 troops, 0 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese max assault: 352 - adjusted assault: 354

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 354 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tavoy base !!!



Allied ground losses:
123 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1076 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Defending force 1675 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

[Nomad]

At the start I expected this game to be one that did not use loopholes and/or exploits. But Ian has done something
that I think is outside of that. This is what has transpired:

1. On 7 Dec 1941 KB made an attack on PH.
2. Then it appears that KB reired to the North-Northeast about 1000 miles.
3. After a couple of days KB then moved back to the PH area and attack some shipping there

First, is not a problem that he sank some valuable ships( all the really important ones respawn anyway )

Second, it is my opinion that only the first turn mechanics, which are wonky, let this manouver occur. I do not
believe that KB had the resources available to it to perform this manouver.

Am I wrong? Has Ian used a known faulty design decision to do something that the IJN was physically incapable of doing?

And please, do not go off on tangents about what might or might not happen in the future. I want to only discuss this aspect.

[racndoc]

I dont think that there was a faulty design decision(except maybe reduce the amount of fuel that the TK TF is carrying) involved in this type of ploy but it is certainly something that could be discussed in the house rules.

My current opponent Tophat did the same thing to me....ie KB drifted slowly to the NW of Oahu stacked with the TKs while it refueled and then suddenly just disappeared out of PBY range. I got suspicious and sent single ship AK TFs and subs to the NE of Oahu and sure enough he started spotting them with his KB floatplanes. He kept the KB there for the entire month of December. I just had all my transport TFs hug the east edge of the map until they were south of the Hawaiian Islands and then move west towards Johnson Is. before moving north.

At least I sort of knew where KB was and it wasnt busy hurting me in the DEI or the south Pacific. Id much rather see this type of move than have KB hit Pearl for 3-4 days in a row sinking all the BBs and CAs.