Andy Mac v PZB ....The Allies Fight Back

[Andy Mac]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/31/44

Waste of time

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Naval bombardment of Tinian, at 62,65

Allied Ships
BB Richelieu
BB South Dakota

TF failed stupidity test and went in close to use 5" DP guns.........[:@] only 10 sys so did ok I suppose withdrawing to rearm

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Naval bombardment of Tinian, at 62,65 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

57 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 26, on fire
BB Alabama

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Naval bombardment of Tinian, at 62,65

Allied Ships
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65


not much opposition in the air

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 19
F4U-1D Corsair x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed


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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 19
F6F Hellcat x 64
B-29 Superfortress x 114


Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:

Day Air attack on 55th/C Division, at 62,65


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 108
F6F Hellcat x 24
SB2C Helldiver x 149
TBM Avenger x 248


Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C Helldiver: 6 damaged
TBM Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
466 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Aircraft Attacking:


Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses


Ouch Idaho needs yard time

Day Air attack on TF, near Sarmi at 48,78

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 22

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
P-38J Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 4 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Idaho, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:

[Andy Mac]

Well Glorious 1st of June it wasnt !!!!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/44

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

OK Light CAP no issue

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 28
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 37
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Corsairs Sweep Guam going well

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 43
A6M5c Zeke x 37
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 50

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 60

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 31 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 16 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 38 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 11 destroyed, 7 damaged


Day Air attack on 55th/C Division, at 62,65

OH CRAP !!!!

What the hell I lost over 200 aircraft today fortunately its mostly bombers which I have plenty of but still its irritating I have no ide what happened tot he top cap.

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 28
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 37
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 80
F6F Hellcat x 26
SB2C Helldiver x 83
TBM Avenger x 170

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 36 destroyed, 8 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 14 destroyed
SB2C Helldiver: 40 destroyed, 3 damaged [:@][:@]
TBM Avenger: 80 destroyed, 10 damaged [:@][:@]

Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on TF, near Guam at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 12
A6M5c Zeke x 21

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 14
SB2C Helldiver x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Daitei Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on TF at 60,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 3
G4M2 Betty x 51

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 116

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 39 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 7 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 60,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 3
B7A Grace x 7

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 115

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
B7A Grace: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 20

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 12
SB2C Helldiver x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 17

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on TF at 60,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 4
G4M2 Betty x 5

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 128

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 4 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Todays losses are replaced from the CVR's but I cannot take tom many more days like this

Sent Saratoga back to replenish sorties the pre Essex class just dont have the capacity to stay on station for to long

[Nemo121]

Would you consider downgrading some of your reserve squadrons ( or squadrons in quieter sectors) to previous versions of the Corsair ( youmay only have 30some F4UDs but you have 1200 of its immediate predecessor and that's not exactly a bad aircraft)  and antecedents of the F6F Hellcat in order to free up forces for your main thrust?
 
I understand you may not have many reserve squadrons to downgrade or quiet sectors but downgrading wherever possible would allow you to rotate these slightly obsolescent squadrons into the fight whilst allowing you to keep a core of your best squadrons outfitted with the best planes possible. This would tend to ease your replacement worries and allow you to mount more sustained operations. 

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Would you consider downgrading some of your reserve squadrons ( or squadrons in quieter sectors) to previous versions of the Corsair ( youmay only have 30some F4UDs but you have 1200 of its immediate predecessor and that's not exactly a bad aircraft)  and antecedents of the F6F Hellcat in order to free up forces for your main thrust?

I understand you may not have many reserve squadrons to downgrade or quiet sectors but downgrading wherever possible would allow you to rotate these slightly obsolescent squadrons into the fight whilst allowing you to keep a core of your best squadrons outfitted with the best planes possible. This would tend to ease your replacement worries and allow you to mount more sustained operations. 

Isn´t downgrading only possible with PDU on? I think when this game started PDU was just a dream. Else I don´t think PzB would have Oscar IIs on duty.

[Arstavidios]

This is a pre PDU game. So I think downgrades are not possible.

[Nemo121]

Ah, sorry, I thought downgrades might be possible without PDUs... Sheesh.. Reminds me why I didn't get the game until I heard PDUs were enabled. Sorry about the poor advice then.

[Andy Mac]

The advice was good just not possible in this game.

I would not want to be trying this battle if the Japanese had 1,000's of Tonies and Tojos on defence rather than Oscars and Zekes.

My casualties are worrying and my CVR's dont seem to be replacing my bombers. Also my sorties are gettign low and to rotation of carrier TF's are not keeping up.

I am considering trying to laugh the whole battle off as a bluff to PZB delay for 3 days.

Withdraw all my TF's to Entiwock re arm replenish and then come back turn the amphbs around for a turn as well.

What do you think would he fall for it ?

I dont want to risk an invasion with my pilots so tired and low on sorties I will think about it a little

Today I hit Guam tomorrow I have ordered a stand down of bombers while I sweep and recon to try and figure out his strength




AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/02/44
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 20
TBM Avenger x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
147 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 68

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 64
N1K1-J George x 6
A6M5c Zeke x 11
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 65

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 109
F6F Hellcat x 138
SB2C Helldiver x 53
TBM Avenger x 145

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 83 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 7 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 18 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 50 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 3 destroyed
B6N Jill: 8 destroyed
H8K Emily: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 30 destroyed, 11 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 46 destroyed, 21 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 30
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 71

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
18 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
24 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
18 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 88
F4U-1D Corsair x 49
SB2C Helldiver x 64
TBM Avenger x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 7 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
TBM Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
19 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
11 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
14 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zeke: 2 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 56

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 10000 feet

Day Air attack on TF at 63,67

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 8

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 94
F6F Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 6 destroyed


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Day Air attack on TF at 63,67

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 8

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 94
F6F Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 63,67

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 94
F6F Hellcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 3 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Susana

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 7000 feet

[duckenf]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I am expecting a minimum of 1,000 AV, about 60,000 troops and a 1 in 4 chance of 240mm CD guns plus probably some armour....

But it is flat terrain whereas Saipan and Pagan are mountains so I will avoid the x3 mountain multiple.

Well, you had better hope you shut down the airfields on Tinian and nearby as he has show n he can airlift 15-25,000 troops in very short order. The Mariannas are also close enough that barges might be a possibility for intra-island transfers. Did you consider that in your calculations? If not, that's maybe a total of 100,000 troops he could get to Tinian, all well supplied. It's a good decision not to go for a place with mountains, that would be a killer.

And what level forts are we talking about? Level 9, I suppose?

What is the strength of your invading land forces? You've done a good job of detailing the naval and air assets assigned to this, but I've missed the force strength of what you're putting ashore -- they're the ones that will need to do the fighting after all!

I see that you've been kocking down his air assets and gradually closing a lot of airfields. Can you keep that up and make the whole area a no-fly zone before you send in the transports? Or at least make his air attacks be at long range -- that should make a for a lot of unescorted bombers and enable you to inflict more damage on his troop/supplies. It would also silence a decent number of CDs which in the past have really caused mayhem amongt your invasion forces.

[Arstavidios]

It'spretty much irrelevant to close airfields to prevent reinforcement by air.
Mavis and Emillys will do the trick anyway.

[Andy Mac]

I have 170,000 men and about 500 tanks on the way plus two Corps HQ and lots of arty but to be honest I am wondering whether to proceed.

The unit count is rising at Tinian and despite my best efforts I am being outproduced by the Japanese.

I have identified 3 Divisions on Tinian plus an Ultra Heavy Arty Bde and at least some vehicles which means tanks (my worst case projection had 2)

I physically cannot keep my Hellcat Sqns at full strength whereas the Japanese seem to have an inexhaustable supply of fighters. (Hellcat pool is almost exhausted when what is aboard my carriers is gone thats it. I lose 40 - 100 per day depending on what I do and if they shoot down 200 - 300 enemy planes so what I cannot replace my losses the Japanese can.

Also keeping Tinian closed to prevent air transport is almost impossible due to the engineers and supply he has there.

I am very depresssed about the whole thing.

(For all players PDU's will make invasions by the allies in 44 without LBA to cover them impossible IMO I am only keeping up at present because the Hellcat eats Zekes and Oscars a 1:2 or 1:1 exchange rate is disastrous IMO for the allies if all those Oscars were Tonies or Tojo's I would be toast (or god forbid Franks)

OK I will give it a few more days and see what happens a decision will be required before I land any toops I may go ahead just to see if it can be done.

I am coming round to a view that this may just not be possible without a few hundred more superforts and more carriers.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/03/44

Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 38
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 19

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 40
F4U-1D Corsair x 39
TBM Avenger x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 10 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 38 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 50 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 11 destroyed, 2 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F6F Hellcat x 9
SB2C Helldiver x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 2 destroyed
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 69,68

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 48
F6F Hellcat x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/04/44

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Day Air attack on Guam , at 62,66


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 13


No Allied losses


Day Air attack on TF at 70,70

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 49
F6F Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 1 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/05/44


Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 9
TBM Avenger x 96


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 43

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 23
TBM Avenger x 50


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 21
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
17 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tinian , at 62,65

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 93

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 132

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
1 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
1 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
1 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet

Day Air attack on 8th Heavy Artillery Brigade, at 62,65


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 10
TBM Avenger x 17


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet

Day Air attack on 16th/C Division, at 62,65


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 58


Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
6 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
6 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
8 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
8 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
8 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
6 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
7 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th/C Division, at 62,65


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 19
SB2C Helldiver x 93


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
27 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
19 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
17 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet

[Andy Mac]

OK guys I am pissed off this is chronic.

My Hellcat pool is empty after a turn that I wipe out 600 enemy aircraft. A great victory but at the cost of a months productuion of Hellcats.

This is out of order I get 144 F6F's a month - I am willing to bet PZB is producing 750 Zekes pus Oscars, Tonies, Tojos etc a month how am I supposed to compete I shoot down 4 : 1 and its not good enough not even close. I also get 144 useless night fighting hellcats a month I would kill at the moment to be able to deploy these night fighting planes but I cannot.

(anyone in a PDU game considering the Mariana my advice forget it its suicide)

The operation is off I am not going to commit 2 Corps to an invasion with no chance of success.

Unit count is now 20 on Tinian and rising I may as well forget it.

Andy

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/06/44


A HUGE success but it isnt worth 30 Hellcats.....was allied production really that chronic

Day Air attack on Pagan , at 64,62

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 35
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 86
F6F Hellcat x 125
Corsair IV x 11
SB2C Helldiver x 60
TBM Avenger x 130

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 38 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 19 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 10 destroyed
F1M2 Pete: 1 destroyed
J2M Jack: 21 destroyed
C6N Myrt: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 9 destroyed, 2 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 29 destroyed, 2 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 76

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
17 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
28 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
12 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
9 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
8 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pagan , at 64,62

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 80

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M Jack: 2 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed
C6N Myrt: 1 destroyed
F1M2 Pete: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 4 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed


Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 90

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 8000 feet

Day Air attack on TF at 57,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 4
SB2C Helldiver x 27
TBM Avenger x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PG Shotoku Maru, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
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Sink another CVE

Day Air attack on TF at 57,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 23
SB2C Helldiver x 51
TBM Avenger x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVE Shimane Maru, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
6 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
7 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 57,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 3

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 2
TBM Avenger x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed


Japanese Ships
CVE Shimane Maru, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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A crushing vicory that aint worth 40 Hellcats

Day Air attack on TF at 57,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 109
D4Y Judy x 8
A6M5c Zeke x 19
B6N Jill x 40
G4M1 Betty x 23
G4M2 Betty x 24
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 22

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 207
F4U-1D Corsair x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 109 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 8 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 19 destroyed
B6N Jill: 30 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 22 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 22 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 22 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 42 destroyed, 32 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Essex

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 57,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 37
G4M2 Betty x 16
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 23

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 81
F4U-1D Corsair x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 37 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 16 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 18 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 14 destroyed, 10 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Essex

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Day Air attack on TF at 57,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 28
A6M5c Zeke x 9
G4M2 Betty x 5
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 152
F4U-1D Corsair x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 28 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 9 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 5 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 57,63

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 8
G4M2 Betty x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 71
F4U-1D Corsair x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 8 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed, 9 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 57,63

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9
P1Y Frances x 30

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 117
F4U-1D Corsair x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 9 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 12 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 11 damaged
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 68,68

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 12
P1Y Frances x 11
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 22

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 73
F6F Hellcat x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 7 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 11 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 15 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 8 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged

[Andy Mac]

Once again because the allies are limited to historic production when the Japanese aren't the allies get outproduced.
 
I am going back to the drawing board and am throwing out 3 months of planning Tinian is off

[Andy Mac]

OK lads I have calmed down a little I am not sure what to do I was bringing 7 Divisions to Marianas to ensure capture I would need 3 x as many which is just stupid.
 
I will not hide the fact that I am dissapointed.
 
And I apologise to anyone hoping for the war defining battle but IMO its just not feasible and its time to think again.
 
I have proven I can operate behind the Marianas perhaps its time to go deep and bypass I am going to think and plan this a little more

[Nemo121]

So, Andy, do you have an idea of where you might redirect this invasion/how long will it take you to re-prepare for your alternate target?

[Andy Mac]

At present to be honest I dont.
 
I need at least a month to get some sys damage off the fleet and restock the Hellcat pool.
 
I have a corps prepared for Marcus and for Wake plus in SWPAC forces starting to prep for Malaya.
 
As a time filler I may consider launching 1st Armies assault on Malaya earlier than planned but the Marianas are impossible. (4 units have flown in since the start of the offensive and over 9,000 men)
 
In 50 days I get 4 more Gps of Superforts that would allow a 2 Groups every day sustained offensive and 2 more Essex's plus the 2 Essex class in drydock will be back.
 
But they are useless unless I can get the Hellcats to put on them.

[Nomad]

I wondered if you would be able to do this Andy. I think going straight in is not the correct thing to do. without the drain of the British in India PzB is able to defend with a lot more. And that production thing hurts also, sucks that Japan can produce more than you. My orginal plan was to bypass the Marianas for a while, taking Wake, Marcus, and possibly Iwo in the North and the Palaus in the South to cut the Marianas off and provide some heavy bomber bases in range. Coupled with continued attacks into the SRA area to try and eliminate some of the oil production. I wish you well Andy, it is a tough game you are in.

[Andy Mac]

Aye thanks.
 
Not sure what or where to go West Borneo, Malaya, Java, Mindanao are all being considered.
 
Whereever it is it will be an ahistoric deep strike because thats what I need to do 

[Arstavidios]

Take your navy and wipe him from the seas.
If you cut his oil life line his production will eventually collapse.

Can you send the superfortresses against oil in the SRA?

[Andy Mac]

I can and will.
 
I think I have made the right decision I will probably second guess myself for a long time to come but I was losing to many irreplaceable fighters.
 
It may be a little chicken but my gut was telling me not to do it so I listened. (I was hungover this morning  after seeing Robert Plant and Deacon Blue play yesterday ....Plant still has great pipes !!!) I hope it watn the hangover making me pessimistic

[Przemcio231]

Well in my game as japan im able to stack up 3 month supply of oil in 6 months so i think that cutting PzB oil supply will not help much as he has like a year supply or so... i don't know in what condition were SRA OIL fields and when they were captured... the only thing that can couse a Allied Victory is destroying the Aircraft Production plant's  Well Andy i understand your frustration maybe some one should talk to designers of this game to allow allied player to at least recive additional modern Aircraft instead of the old types like 144 F-6-F + F-4-F nr... this is redicoulus that Allies are outproduced[:D]