One of my recon planes spotted enemy CV TF nearing Aleutians. The total number of ships was 10 but I think there is more to this.
This basically means that we have a big chance of seeing some CV vs CV duels here since I'am not going withdraw my US CV Fleet from here.
The invasion TF will hit beaches next turn at Dutch Harbour.
The good news is that he does not have an operational airfield there currently.
Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 163
B-24D Liberator x 48
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
H8K Emily: 2 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 98
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Naval bombardment of Dutch Harbor, at 103,36
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CL Montpelier
CL Columbia
CL Cleveland
BB Indiana
BB New Mexico
BB West Virginia
Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 30
Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 3
US BB TF is now heading towards Anchorage to replenish and refuel.
RAF also have started ther aircampaign againts Akyab.
Day Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29
Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 10
Liberator VI x 37
B-25C Mitchell x 54
B-25J Mitchell x 43
B-17E Fortress x 44
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
161 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 121
Dave has only 4000 men at Akyab so I will propably launch an invasion here soon.
I actually can't wait for the next turn to arrive. It might be one hell of an CV battle ahead of us [:D][8|]
Aztez (Allies) vs Erstad (Japan)
Moderators: wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
This game has really pissed me off.
As expected that was the KB that my recon planes spotted.
I did send my CV fleet to engage the enemy! I was expecting a bigtime battle but what happens... There were NO aircraft flown from US CV's despite the fact that I closed in range!!! Instead Japanese aircraft flew againts the invasion TF heading to Dutch Harbour unopposed!!!
The result ----> Transport TF BADLY mauled and my CV Fleet on its way to Anchorage as nothing happened!!! These CV's even got separated!! [:@][:@][:@]
Basically I really don't care nomore! No I wohn't forfeit but again this makes one consider what is the worth of spending hours and hours and hours into game which engine is really far from complete as we all know!
Next turn... well I will make an banzai charge with CV fleets... I really don't care whether they are sunk or not. Other meanings for this is that there will not be any offensives conducted in 1943.
As expected that was the KB that my recon planes spotted.
I did send my CV fleet to engage the enemy! I was expecting a bigtime battle but what happens... There were NO aircraft flown from US CV's despite the fact that I closed in range!!! Instead Japanese aircraft flew againts the invasion TF heading to Dutch Harbour unopposed!!!
The result ----> Transport TF BADLY mauled and my CV Fleet on its way to Anchorage as nothing happened!!! These CV's even got separated!! [:@][:@][:@]
Basically I really don't care nomore! No I wohn't forfeit but again this makes one consider what is the worth of spending hours and hours and hours into game which engine is really far from complete as we all know!
Next turn... well I will make an banzai charge with CV fleets... I really don't care whether they are sunk or not. Other meanings for this is that there will not be any offensives conducted in 1943.
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
Are you sure this isn't linked to Northern area weather ?
I mean you have lost troops here, nothing more, so it isn't a big deal... Your first real counter attack may be a disaster, but you'll start kicking his ass in 3-4 months somewhere else, if you get your CVs sunk then you are out of the game and the fun for 12-18 months...
I understand your frustration, but try to "role-play" what happened as a weather problem, a TF admiral incompetence issue or something else... Fire some of your officers and back on track.
I mean you have lost troops here, nothing more, so it isn't a big deal... Your first real counter attack may be a disaster, but you'll start kicking his ass in 3-4 months somewhere else, if you get your CVs sunk then you are out of the game and the fun for 12-18 months...
I understand your frustration, but try to "role-play" what happened as a weather problem, a TF admiral incompetence issue or something else... Fire some of your officers and back on track.
Adieu Ô Dieu odieux... signé Adam
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
ORIGINAL: veji1
Are you sure this isn't linked to Northern area weather ?
I mean you have lost troops here, nothing more, so it isn't a big deal... Your first real counter attack may be a disaster, but you'll start kicking his ass in 3-4 months somewhere else, if you get your CVs sunk then you are out of the game and the fun for 12-18 months...
I understand your frustration, but try to "role-play" what happened as a weather problem, a TF admiral incompetence issue or something else... Fire some of your officers and back on track.
Don't know but I would not be suprised to see that weather was the main factor! [:@][:@][:@] ...that is ok if so BUT it did seem to affect the Japanese side at all!!!!
I doubt I can launch any serious offensives anywhere soon. The one thing allied lack is infantry divisions and men. ( and the one thing Japanese have plenty off)
I actually was ready for CV vs CV duel.... IF i knew it was not going to happen than I never would have let that transport TF go ahead! I actually could have afforded to loose some of them since I could have advanced under LBA cover.
I'am no quitter so I wohn't ask replay turn or anything. Needless to say though that I'am very pissed now. Hours and hours of preparation and for what! To see Witp game engine screw you big time!!! That is not encouraging at all.
...and for other things I doubt there will ever be an allied victory in this one. Atolls (Propably more than divisions worth of Japanese) after atolls level 9 fortifications.
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
Look on the bright side Aztez...
In my case, it was my CVs that got pasted, not my transport TF. In your case, at least you still have your CVs. My suggestion is to take 3 days off, and come up with what you want to do in game with a level head...
[:-]
It -is- frustrating. But hang in there and don't do anything rash, you know Dave won't...
-F-
In my case, it was my CVs that got pasted, not my transport TF. In your case, at least you still have your CVs. My suggestion is to take 3 days off, and come up with what you want to do in game with a level head...
[:-]
It -is- frustrating. But hang in there and don't do anything rash, you know Dave won't...
-F-
"It is obvious that you have greatly over-estimated my regard for your opinion." - Me
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
calm down
i had similar situation in my great CV battle
CV Tfs couldn't reach themselves because of weather but were able to strike enmy Tfs in area ( both of them )
big mess
but war is big mess IMO
i had similar situation in my great CV battle
CV Tfs couldn't reach themselves because of weather but were able to strike enmy Tfs in area ( both of them )
big mess
but war is big mess IMO
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
Cheers guys.
As for the weather than I'am dazzled how could he have launched multiple organized strikes. I mean if the weather is bad than it should be for both sides... or at least that is what I think. I mean not a single aircraft took off from my CV's!
ADavidB has many times correctly critized the weather model in Witp and justifiable so.
Actually I moved my CV's back towards Dutch Harbour. I really need to salvage those remaining bad ships.
As for this game. I will not quit since once I made an commitment I will keep my word.
Just a tip for anybody starting a new game. Use NIK's mod since it is closest thing to reality.
Another thing that ******* disaster meant is that bulk of AP's are done... 3 US divisions are propably lost forever (I was prepared for this but not the way game mechanics dealt with). Adding these things up means that there will not be any allied offensives in South Pacific nor CenPac propably until late 1943.
Dave does have 8 units each of the critical atolls. That will amount to serious firepower.. propably more than 700 Assault points. The way Witp handles landings that means propably around 6 US divisions worth men + supporting troops to even have a chance of success.... and that in game terms means zZzzzZzzZ since allied player does not have such excess of ground combat units!!!
Only place to even think offensive is China and Burma. Well China is done meat even if he does not make any assault. Those shock assaults added with pursue enemy commands simply crushed my troops earlier. Other thing that these troops are starving anyway due to game supply system.
That leaves Burma. I will receive 2 Indian divisions soon but even with those my assault points are nowhere near for the needed for anykind of serious advance. I think he might even capture most of India due to lack of British forces if he chooses.
Australia and NZ are isolated. I do have quite a few troops in South but to move them North Oz would spell a total disaster. He could than launch an invasion from Noumea and surrounding bases.
Summa Summarum. I have in 99'9% certainty lost the war already. There is noway I can conquer all of it IF the offensive begin in later part of 1943 or 1944. That is undeniable fact.
Dave has had the ability to ship supplies to Japan for a longtime. Meaning that there will not be anykind of struggle for Japanese industry in this game ever.
That pretty much sums things up. (It seems similar situation in most of the AAR's... Sneer vs Raver, Nemo vs Trey, PzB vs Andy Mac... by looking points there is noway for allied side gain a victory... if they do that is an miracle)
As for the weather than I'am dazzled how could he have launched multiple organized strikes. I mean if the weather is bad than it should be for both sides... or at least that is what I think. I mean not a single aircraft took off from my CV's!
ADavidB has many times correctly critized the weather model in Witp and justifiable so.
Actually I moved my CV's back towards Dutch Harbour. I really need to salvage those remaining bad ships.
As for this game. I will not quit since once I made an commitment I will keep my word.
Just a tip for anybody starting a new game. Use NIK's mod since it is closest thing to reality.
Another thing that ******* disaster meant is that bulk of AP's are done... 3 US divisions are propably lost forever (I was prepared for this but not the way game mechanics dealt with). Adding these things up means that there will not be any allied offensives in South Pacific nor CenPac propably until late 1943.
Dave does have 8 units each of the critical atolls. That will amount to serious firepower.. propably more than 700 Assault points. The way Witp handles landings that means propably around 6 US divisions worth men + supporting troops to even have a chance of success.... and that in game terms means zZzzzZzzZ since allied player does not have such excess of ground combat units!!!
Only place to even think offensive is China and Burma. Well China is done meat even if he does not make any assault. Those shock assaults added with pursue enemy commands simply crushed my troops earlier. Other thing that these troops are starving anyway due to game supply system.
That leaves Burma. I will receive 2 Indian divisions soon but even with those my assault points are nowhere near for the needed for anykind of serious advance. I think he might even capture most of India due to lack of British forces if he chooses.
Australia and NZ are isolated. I do have quite a few troops in South but to move them North Oz would spell a total disaster. He could than launch an invasion from Noumea and surrounding bases.
Summa Summarum. I have in 99'9% certainty lost the war already. There is noway I can conquer all of it IF the offensive begin in later part of 1943 or 1944. That is undeniable fact.
Dave has had the ability to ship supplies to Japan for a longtime. Meaning that there will not be anykind of struggle for Japanese industry in this game ever.
That pretty much sums things up. (It seems similar situation in most of the AAR's... Sneer vs Raver, Nemo vs Trey, PzB vs Andy Mac... by looking points there is noway for allied side gain a victory... if they do that is an miracle)
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
Fear is big
you will find solution and Japan will probably stop too
you will find solution and Japan will probably stop too
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
I would bet Dave will maybe comeplete some invasions in the Aleutions, and then just start digging in.
As you point out, invading something isn't really an option for you for a while. In that case, see if you can engage his fleet. But -try- to lure him under your own LBA umbrella (yes, I know he's very good about NOT doing this). But since you can't kill him on the ground, try to kill him at sea.
Just be very careful of getting anywhere near his LBA. What happend to me was, my CVs reacted into his LBA net
. His LBA strikes went first, broke up my CAP a bit, then his CVs launched and I got killed. Meanwhile, my own strieks were all but unescorted. Whatever. Moral of the story is to try to lure him into your own LBA net. If that doesn't work, then you wait until late '43 as you indicated.
-F-
As you point out, invading something isn't really an option for you for a while. In that case, see if you can engage his fleet. But -try- to lure him under your own LBA umbrella (yes, I know he's very good about NOT doing this). But since you can't kill him on the ground, try to kill him at sea.
Just be very careful of getting anywhere near his LBA. What happend to me was, my CVs reacted into his LBA net
. His LBA strikes went first, broke up my CAP a bit, then his CVs launched and I got killed. Meanwhile, my own strieks were all but unescorted. Whatever. Moral of the story is to try to lure him into your own LBA net. If that doesn't work, then you wait until late '43 as you indicated.-F-
"It is obvious that you have greatly over-estimated my regard for your opinion." - Me
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
Aztez Its annoying but your carriers are intact and with pressure from India he cannot be strong everywhere.
The loss of the AP's is irritating as it will slow down your forward build up.
If any fragment of the Divs is saveable do so 2nd USMC Div was lost in my game with PZB as no fragment was saved from Java and it irks me as the Marine Divs are hugely important.
Avoid atolls until you have assault shipping and go for isolated bases in overwhelming force.
(p.s. I am still aiming for a 2:1 victory over PZB I hope to really rack up VP's when I destroy all the extra industry he has built up with the Indian resources)
The loss of the AP's is irritating as it will slow down your forward build up.
If any fragment of the Divs is saveable do so 2nd USMC Div was lost in my game with PZB as no fragment was saved from Java and it irks me as the Marine Divs are hugely important.
Avoid atolls until you have assault shipping and go for isolated bases in overwhelming force.
(p.s. I am still aiming for a 2:1 victory over PZB I hope to really rack up VP's when I destroy all the extra industry he has built up with the Indian resources)
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
Aztez,
You are weak in terms of naval airpower. Fairly strong in terms of light surface strike groups, strong in terms of LBA and relatively strong and getting stronger in terms of ground troops.
Bide your time a little. Pick your targets and invade in several months time where you can maximise your strengths and minimise the Japanese strengths. And remember that if the Japanese hold Canton, Baker and Palmyra but you can circumvent that by holding Fiji and driving northward behind them then you don't always HAVE to attack into strength. You are still opposing strength with strength too much.
You are weak in terms of naval airpower. Fairly strong in terms of light surface strike groups, strong in terms of LBA and relatively strong and getting stronger in terms of ground troops.
Bide your time a little. Pick your targets and invade in several months time where you can maximise your strengths and minimise the Japanese strengths. And remember that if the Japanese hold Canton, Baker and Palmyra but you can circumvent that by holding Fiji and driving northward behind them then you don't always HAVE to attack into strength. You are still opposing strength with strength too much.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
Cheers guys,
Feinder: Yeah, I know he can use LBA for his advantage. If I look his defensive perimeter the whole system is build the way that he can have 3 separate airfields supporting each other. I really need to be careful there.
Btw any new developments in your game againts Dave?
Andy Mac: Good advices. Luckily those fragments survived and are now in Anchorage. Erstad has not actually been able destroy those I landed at Dutch Harbour so my estimate that his forces are not strong there yet are propably true.
I'am regular reader in your game vs PzB and as you said strategic points are propably the only way to achieve victory. Allthough it will be huge mountain to climb and hopefully you can do it.
Nemo121: I did actually engage the KB last turn and it was kind of an draw.
If I understand correctly you say that when I will move ahead than go through Pago Pago and surrounding bases.
Feinder: Yeah, I know he can use LBA for his advantage. If I look his defensive perimeter the whole system is build the way that he can have 3 separate airfields supporting each other. I really need to be careful there.
Btw any new developments in your game againts Dave?
Andy Mac: Good advices. Luckily those fragments survived and are now in Anchorage. Erstad has not actually been able destroy those I landed at Dutch Harbour so my estimate that his forces are not strong there yet are propably true.
I'am regular reader in your game vs PzB and as you said strategic points are propably the only way to achieve victory. Allthough it will be huge mountain to climb and hopefully you can do it.
Nemo121: I did actually engage the KB last turn and it was kind of an draw.
If I understand correctly you say that when I will move ahead than go through Pago Pago and surrounding bases.
US CV fleet clashes with KB in Aleutians...
We did have our first Carrier clash last turn. First off here are some screenshots:
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is he hurt ? How many CVs did he have ? It looks like he creamed you airforce while having painful but survivable losses. How are your other CVs ? Can he follow suit on the next turn or will he withdraw ?
More More More !!!
More More More !!!
Adieu Ô Dieu odieux... signé Adam
RE: US CV fleet clashes with KB in Aleutians...
As you can see from screenshots above we did have an carrier clash. I decieded to gamble and in the end both sides took some serious damage.
This action took place in 24th of February 1943...
Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 96
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
SBD Dauntless x 31
TBF Avenger x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 10 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 30 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 14 destroyed
Japanese Ships
CV Soryu
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 94
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
TBF Avenger x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 3 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 94
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 6
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 6 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 94
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 58
SBD Dauntless x 125
TBF Avenger x 73
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 26 destroyed, 6 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 12 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 56 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 31 destroyed, 45 damaged
TBF Avenger: 22 destroyed, 24 damaged
Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA Mogami
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 3
CL Agano
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage *confirmed sunk*
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Kako
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
A6M3a Zero x 10
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 32
TBF Avenger x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged
TBF Avenger: 11 destroyed
Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
A6M3a Zero x 10
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
TBF Avenger x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 3 destroyed
Japanese Ships
CL Agano
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 64
A6M3a Zero x 22
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
SBD Dauntless x 34
TBF Avenger x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 14 destroyed, 6 damaged
TBF Avenger: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Japanese Ships
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Kumano, Bomb hits 1
CV Hiryu, Bomb hits 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,39
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 92
A6M3 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 89
A6M3a Zero x 29
B5N Kate x 151
E13A1 Jake x 11
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 199
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 59 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 11 destroyed
D3A Val: 27 destroyed, 18 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 18 destroyed
B5N Kate: 56 destroyed, 39 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 122 destroyed
Allied Ships
CVE Suwannee, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage *sunk*
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
DD Gridley
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1
CLAA San Diego
DD Monssen, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
CA Chester, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Chicago
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,39
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
D3A Val x 15
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 12 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied Ships
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,39
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 13
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 31
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied Ships
CV Hornet, on fire, heavy damage
CV Lexington will propably not make it to safety or at least it will be out for a longtime. CV Hornet and CV Yorktown propably will survive but are in tire need of drydocks.
These damaged ships are now sailing towards Anchorage and are escorted by remaining US CV's and 1 Surface combat TF.
This action took place in 24th of February 1943...
Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 96
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
SBD Dauntless x 31
TBF Avenger x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 10 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 30 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 14 destroyed
Japanese Ships
CV Soryu
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 94
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 6
TBF Avenger x 3
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 3 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 94
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 6
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 6 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 94
A6M3 Zero x 13
A6M3a Zero x 27
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 58
SBD Dauntless x 125
TBF Avenger x 73
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 26 destroyed, 6 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 12 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 56 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 31 destroyed, 45 damaged
TBF Avenger: 22 destroyed, 24 damaged
Japanese Ships
CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CA Mogami
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 3
CL Agano
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage *confirmed sunk*
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Kako
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
A6M3a Zero x 10
Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 32
TBF Avenger x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged
TBF Avenger: 11 destroyed
Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
A6M3a Zero x 10
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
TBF Avenger x 6
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 3 destroyed
Japanese Ships
CL Agano
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Day Air attack on TF at 101,41
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 64
A6M3a Zero x 22
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
SBD Dauntless x 34
TBF Avenger x 14
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 14 destroyed, 6 damaged
TBF Avenger: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
Japanese Ships
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Kumano, Bomb hits 1
CV Hiryu, Bomb hits 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,39
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 92
A6M3 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 89
A6M3a Zero x 29
B5N Kate x 151
E13A1 Jake x 11
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 199
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 59 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 11 destroyed
D3A Val: 27 destroyed, 18 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 18 destroyed
B5N Kate: 56 destroyed, 39 damaged
E13A1 Jake: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 122 destroyed
Allied Ships
CVE Suwannee, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage *sunk*
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
DD Gridley
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1
CLAA San Diego
DD Monssen, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
CA Chester, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Chicago
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,39
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
D3A Val x 15
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 12 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied Ships
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 102,39
Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 13
Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 31
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied Ships
CV Hornet, on fire, heavy damage
CV Lexington will propably not make it to safety or at least it will be out for a longtime. CV Hornet and CV Yorktown propably will survive but are in tire need of drydocks.
These damaged ships are now sailing towards Anchorage and are escorted by remaining US CV's and 1 Surface combat TF.
RE: US CV fleet clashes with KB in Aleutians...
ORIGINAL: veji1
is he hurt ? How many CVs did he have ? It looks like he creamed you airforce while having painful but survivable losses. How are your other CVs ? Can he follow suit on the next turn or will he withdraw ?
More More More !!!
Don't know how badly he got hurt. CVE Unyo is confirmed sunk. It looks like some of his other CVL/CVE's received quite few bomb hits too. At least some of them should be out of action for sometime.
Oh well Wildcats are not exactly A quality fighters so I those losses I took in the air very not devastating.
My other carriers are fine. They are actually now set on follow TF command (they are protecting Yorktown, Hornet and Enteprise). British CV's are still in India.
He can follow the pursuit if he chooses to do so. As you can see from the overall map our navys are just 120-180 miles apart. I'am withdrawing towards Anchorage.
My big 4E bombers are set on naval attack just in case home comes within range of my LBA's.
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
Don't know but I would not be suprised to see that weather was the main factor! ...that is ok if so BUT it did seem to affect the Japanese side at all!!!!
Unit experience is the only factor that I can attribute to the regular ability of the Japanese air units to fly in bad weather, versus the regular inability of Allied air units to fly in bad weather. What I see in my games is that both sides get grounded by weather, but the side with more experienced pilots gets grounded less. I'm guessing that experience changes the odds on the weather checks for take off and for finding your opponent.
The reason that I believe that is that in the CBI theater, as my air units get more experience they do tend to fly more often regardless of the weather. And when my opponents get into a long-term bombing campaign, such as against Manila, their units are soon flying regardless of the weather, likely because they are getting constantly increasing experience.
At least that's the only thing that makes sense to me in PBEM. That doesn't mean that I think that the current Advanced Weather model is acceptable. On the contrary, the more I learn about weather around the Pacific, the more I realize how badly modeled Advanced Weather really is. In fact, right now I am getting suspicious that the model is based upon a Northern Hemisphere model and doesn't account for the differences in the seasons between hemispheres.
In any event, stick to it and figure out ways to get experience for your pilots and you will stand a better chance of having planes fly when you need them. But never, never, never count on air power to get you out of a jam in this game...
Good luck -
Dave Baranyi
RE: Japanese Naval fleet spotted... Aleutians heats up!
ORIGINAL: ADavidB
Don't know but I would not be suprised to see that weather was the main factor! ...that is ok if so BUT it did seem to affect the Japanese side at all!!!!
Unit experience is the only factor that I can attribute to the regular ability of the Japanese air units to fly in bad weather, versus the regular inability of Allied air units to fly in bad weather. What I see in my games is that both sides get grounded by weather, but the side with more experienced pilots gets grounded less. I'm guessing that experience changes the odds on the weather checks for take off and for finding your opponent.
The reason that I believe that is that in the CBI theater, as my air units get more experience they do tend to fly more often regardless of the weather. And when my opponents get into a long-term bombing campaign, such as against Manila, their units are soon flying regardless of the weather, likely because they are getting constantly increasing experience.
At least that's the only thing that makes sense to me in PBEM. That doesn't mean that I think that the current Advanced Weather model is acceptable. On the contrary, the more I learn about weather around the Pacific, the more I realize how badly modeled Advanced Weather really is. In fact, right now I am getting suspicious that the model is based upon a Northern Hemisphere model and doesn't account for the differences in the seasons between hemispheres.
In any event, stick to it and figure out ways to get experience for your pilots and you will stand a better chance of having planes fly when you need them. But never, never, never count on air power to get you out of a jam in this game...
Good luck -
Dave Baranyi
Some useful into here. Thank you Dave.
The more I think the more certain I'am that it was the experience levels of my pilots which let into not flying in Bad weather. That is still somewhat fantasy weather system we have in Witp engine.
[:D] ...I think lessons learned again and I will not count into my airpower as you suggested.