Mediterranean scenario

[Nikademus]

Depends on how one wishes to represent the Oil situation.

[Terminus]

Plenty of fuel... Didn't anybody tell you, Tubbsy? The Italians had nuclear-powered battleships![:'(]

[mlees]

The Italian production model is so screwed! There is no way that the Italians could be outproducing France, let alone Germany, in single engined aircraft! All you Italian fanboys have screwed us over with your whining. Elite frogmen indeed....

[Terminus]

And don't get me started on the SM 79. There's no way they could carry so many torpedoes that far!

[Nikademus]

And their fighter pilots never achieved more than 1.0991117869931:1 odds.

[RETIRED]

Playing the Italians COULD make playing ANY other power look promising.   Imagine jumping into WW II and finding out your "top of the line" fighter was a BIPLANE?  And that your army was getting SOUNDLY THRASHED not only by a bunch of French Reservists, buy by a passel of Greeks wearing SKIRTS!  Then just for shits and giggles, you get sent to the Western Desert (very dry place) and find out that you will recieve the majority of your rations in the form of dry pasta....   Talk about discouraging.

[Nikademus]

Actually the Italians would automatically do better for the same reason both the Japanese and Allied can do better in UV/WitP....because there'd be only one Commander coordinating the army, navy and airforce.

If anything Commando Supremo was even more of an operational cripple than either of the other two sides. Coordination was nearly impossible coupled with timidity at the top.

[mikemike]

ORIGINAL: RETIRED

Do what Marseille did...., lie about it.

Interesting - in what way did he lie? Has new evidence surfaced recently? I hadn´t heard about that. Edward H. Sims, in his book "The fighter pilots" (1967) regarded the Marseille story as true - and he still had access to contemporaries. I know that "Johnnie" Johnson doubted the Marseille story, he said so in his bio "Wing Leader", but that book was written in the mid-fifties, when the war had to be won again - and again - and again - in Britain (Some of that is still going on - just read the British tabloids. Do they still have to convince themselves?) Johnson, and all the other BofB aces were probably lucky themselves because nobody ever seriously scrutinized their claims - that might have led to embarrassments, as the RAF in their official figures seems to simply have trebled the actual German losses.