Defending the Reich

[Fred98]

HPS's Defending the Reich was apparantly released today.

Anyone tried it?

[Herrbear]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

HPS's Defending the Reich was apparantly released today.

Anyone tried it?

Nothing listed about it on their website.

[Fred98]

Thats correct
 
try here:   www.wargamer.com
 
 

[Hard Sarge]

I like the detail on the map
(but not sure how many people really want to use a road map as what they look at for a game)
 
 
other then that, I am not sure
 
 

[Fred98]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
(but not sure how many people really want to use a road map as what they look at for a game)

I have asked for authentic looking maps a few times but instead we get artistic representations.

The map in question looks modern instead of 1942 but otherwise looks like something commanders would use.

[Hard Sarge]

Oh I agree

but for this scale of game, not sure if it is best or not

I want to retract that statement, I said it based on looking at a screen shot, and as we know, screens shots are not already what the game is about or even current, so I do not want to make that kind of statement about something

(with all the info I got and have been using, I can see how and why, and I am sure with our game we can argue left and right for this or that unit is in the game at the wrong time)

(in BoB, 111 Squadron was not Oper yet, but it was flying missions and making claims, but it was not ready to fly, so when do you add it to the OOB)

[Nicholas Bell]

The map is a 1943 National Geographic map.

I've been playing the game PBEM for 2+ months and its a lot of fun. It's more a "beer and pretzels" game but does make the player deal with many of the same problems. Can't say much about the OOB, but I do know Sturm personally and he does know his stuff and how to research.

DTR and BTR are like apples and oranges though - even though there is overlap topically. BTR is much more detailed. DTR has a lot of abstractions - the biggest being one week's action being simulated in one nights mission. Just like AH Luftwaffe where 1 day's missions simulated 3 months of action.

I must admit I'm more the BTR, WitP type of gamer - but this is a lot of fun. It's got that "one more turn" and "okay, I goofed there how can I do it better next raid" effect when playing against the AI (which is pretty good!). And PBEM is better. Playing the German is more challenging for sure. In my current game I'm "Bomber Harris" [:)]

Oh, I must mention the game works flawlessly. At first the interface was less than what I had hoped, but it's all second nature now.

I didn't read the manual before playing, either. But I did reference later to figure out how to win [:D]

[Arkady]

aditionally, there is link to "official page"
http://www.hpssims.com/Pages/products/d ... freich.htm

[Arkady]

btw 1 turn = 1 week is not my favourite...
waiting for Eagle Day [;)]

[Hard Sarge]

Well, either way, I placed my order for it last week, and it is in the mail now
 
as you may guess, I already like the games we got to begin with, but I also like all aspects of the time and period 

[Hard Sarge]

WEll, I got it yesterday

overall, I do like it, some of it is too fast for me (may be my puter, I got a FLight simmer rig)

I think for the human GE there are too many losses due to landing

real HARD to get around the weekly turn idea, the system does seem able to handle the same thing on a dayly basics

it has good detail, but a little odd with the mixed Gruppen, since the all the Staffels fly together

also, seems to be a major lack of AF's

not tried the GB side yet



================Current Campaign Results===============
Total Area Destroyed to Date:  1565
Victory Points:  188
Bonus Points:  7
Penalty Points:  0
Total British Sorties to Date:  3505
Total British Losses to Date:  66
Current British Loss Rate: 1.9%
Total Luftwaffe Losses to Date:  77
************************ End of War Dairy Entry ************************

odd, as I have shot down more GB planes each turn (one turn was 5 GB to 11 GE) but looks like the game also counts planes that get written off once they on the ground, they don't show up in the lost lists for the air battles


III./NJG 2
    Maintenance Losses:  1 x badly damaged aircraft will never fly again
    Maintenance Report: No change
    Morale Lost:  3 points
    Experience: No change
I./NJG 3
    Maintenance Report: No change
    Morale Lost:  2 points
    Experience: No change
II./NJG 3
    Maintenance Losses:  4 x badly damaged aircraft will never fly again
    Maintenance Report: No change
    Morale Gained:  2 points
    Experience Gained:  5 points
III./NJG 3
    Maintenance Report:  2 x aircraft were repaired
    Morale: No change
    Experience: No change

******************************Raid J******************************
Target Name: Hannover           
Time Over Target: 2330 hrs
Target Damage:  85 acres
Raid Loss Rate:  6.6%
RAF Aircraft Destroyed:  16
   Flak:             4
   Nightfighter:  11
   Day Fighter:  0
   Landing:       1
RAF Aircraft Damaged:  20
   Flak:             6
   Nightfighter:  14
   Day Fighter:  0
   Landing:       0
German Aircraft Destroyed:  8
   Bomber Fire:   8
   Nightfighters:  0
German Aircraft Damaged:  19
   Bomber Fire:   19
   Nightfighters:  0
Nachtjagd Interceptions:  589
Nachtjagd Attacks:          120

overall, it is fun, still trying to learn the tricks

[Hard Sarge]

================Current Campaign Results===============
Total Area Destroyed to Date:  2433
Victory Points:  264
Bonus Points:  7
Penalty Points:  0
Total British Sorties to Date:  4635
Total British Losses to Date:  119
Current British Loss Rate: 2.6%
Total Luftwaffe Losses to Date:  115
************************ End of War Dairy Entry ************************
 
hmmm
shot down 51 GB bombers, I lost 9 to combat, I show I lost 29 during the turn
I do show I lost 14 due to write offs, so maybe the rest were planes that crashed during landing, that don't show up in the reports ?
 
overall, I would have to say to wait till they release a patch
 
combat is almost 4 to 1 in my favor, but I am losing as many planes as the enemy is, if I am losing 20+ planes a turn to crashes and damaged, the GB should be losing twice that many, as I am easily damageing double (overall) what I shoot down (between my Flak and Air I shot down 40 from one raid, I damaged 67 during that raid, where are the GB write offs and crashes ?, unless it is a AI thing, so, from that turn, it looks like I lost 20 to damage and crashes, the AI lost 10)
 
 
replacement rate can not replace combat losses, let alone crashes and damaged writeoff
 
you start with some 217's, and then get a upgrade to the 217, and then, you get no more 217s ? so you can upgrade the 217 to the new and improved 217, but there are no 217s in stock, unless you change one of your Staffels to something else
 
Aces die too fast, I guess they never learned how to land a plane
 
all this is also with a GE tech edge in air to air radar, doc and 219 production (which means I got one Staffel of 219s)

[Fred98]

If Defending The Reich were available to purchase via digital download I would buy it.

As it is, it costs USD$29.99 and delivery to Australia costs USD$24.99

The shipping cost kill it for me.

Nothing like customer feedback!



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[Hard Sarge]

Yuck, that is a shame
 
the shipping in the states was pretty good

[JamesM]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

If Defending The Reich were available to purchase via digital download I would buy it.

As it is, it costs USD$29.99 and delivery to Australia costs USD$24.99

The shipping cost kill it for me.

Nothing like customer feedback!

That is where Matrixgames succeds!


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[pompack]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

If Defending The Reich were available to purchase via digital download I would buy it.

As it is, it costs USD$29.99 and delivery to Australia costs USD$24.99

The shipping cost kill it for me.

Nothing like customer feedback!



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Have you tried ordering it from NWS-Online?

[Hard Sarge]

it is not a DD game, at least from the talks I had with NWS
 
I don't know what there shipping charges for overships are, but with in the states it is decent
 
 

[Dixie]

Is this game worth getting? I liked BTR, and the focus on the RAF in this appeals to me. There's no DD available (that's bad[:(]), but it's just over £20 to get it sent to me in the UK (which is [:)][&o]) . I also have to say I was impressed with their quick reply to my email- less than 5 minutes [:D]

[Hard Sarge]

I'm a little bias to be saying yea or nay on something like this
 
I think it is a decent game, but I think there are things wrong with the thinking behind it, the week turn is odd, game play and subject matter supports a dayly turn set up
 
production is screwy, replacements are way off compared to the number of losses you take (in 43, you shouldn't be having Gruppen with no planes)
 
plus based on a die roll, you can get turns of no replacements
 
which nothing a small patch can't fix
 
overall, would say I like the system, I like the game, but don't know if I can tell someone else they should get it
 
here is my current game as the GE, I am even winning now
 

================Current Campaign Results===============
Total Area Destroyed to Date:  2296
Victory Points:  259
Bonus Points:  19
Penalty Points:  0
Total British Sorties to Date:  4970
Total British Losses to Date:  167
Current British Loss Rate: 3.4%
Total Luftwaffe Losses to Date:  166
************************ End of War Dairy Entry ************************
 
my biggest complaint is the number of crashes and write off, I would say I lost 50-70 planes in combat so far, the rest are from write offs, now I am knocking down 20-30 bombers a turn, and damageing 30-60, but the GB/AI is not writing off tons of planes
 
which is odd to see that you damaged 60 planes, and shot down 30 planes, and only had one bomber lost to a crash landing, but you lose 20

[Dixie]

Thanks for the reply.

The turn system does look a bit strange. I guess most games are not perfext when they are released, but at £20 I think I'm going to be tempted.