OT-Decision Games WitP

[Procrustes]

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

Well i like BoardGames but they need to follow the following criteria:

- Being so designed that they can be completed in one Evning
- Have not to many Counters
- Not Complicated Rules
- Have a good Editorial Level
- Map should fit on Table


As for now the only games fallowing this Criteria are the GMT Games[:D] I played quite a few of those and those games are really fun to play[:D]

Hi,

I mentioned that I subscribe to the Strategy & Tactics magazine that Descision Games (the people who put out this monster) publishes. Each issue comes with a boardgame (folded map, actually). They tend to be small and fit the criteria you describe. It's not a cheap subscription, but there are seven issues a year, a wide variety of topics, and the magazine is good reading, too (military history.)

Best,

P.


Disclosure - I have no connection to DG other than being a customer.

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

Well i like BoardGames but they need to follow the following criteria:

- Being so designed that they can be completed in one Evning
- Have not to many Counters
- Not Complicated Rules
- Have a good Editorial Level
- Map should fit on Table


As for now the only games fallowing this Criteria are the GMT Games[:D] I played quite a few of those and those games are really fun to play[:D]

Well WITP would "almost" meet your criteria. I think you could set it up in one evening, if ... you have about 6 experienced players on the set up team [:D]

And I think it has less then 10,000 counters .. so not too many [:D]

And the rules are rated "4" on a scale of 1 to 5 .. so not too complicated ...

The Editorial level might be high (i.e. written in one language).

The map does fit on a table, of course, provided the table is an 8'x8' [:D]

So, I guess we're in business !!! [:D][;)]

[Przemcio231]

B-35 system was/is good and simple... has some bugs but still is good, Waterloo is also a good game and still very complex... suitable for 4 players in my opinion, at least I used to play that way... never really had a chance to play Tanenberg...

Well as for B-35 system its to many chart's , tables lots of comparing in this firefight stuff , As for Ardeny 1944 system this one sucked a big time the only one suffering losses was the attacker as the defender was loseing something when he got isolated[:D] I never played their September 1939 system... as for Waterloo the rules weren't so complex its just that this game is so time consuming... The most fun to play of the series for me was "Desert Rat's"[:D] and "Tannenberg" with its HQ Activation Rule the Russians have great advantage but their Commanders are passive or neutral at best there is one Active in Samsonov Army and it may happen that most off your forces will not move becouse the General decided he want's to weait[:D]

[Yava]

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

My favourite of Dragon series was Ardeny 1944. Ive also have Wiedeń 1693, Grunwald 1410 and Kircholm 1605. Since I am fan of XX century wars, I didn't like those three titles.

I've still got(and sometimes play)
Ardeny 1944
Grunwald 1410
Kreta 1941
Waterloo 1815
Wieden 1693
Bzura 1939
Bagration 1944
Bitwy II Wojny Światowej
Arnhem 1944
Kasserine 1943
Szczury Pustyni
and
Wojny Napoleońskie

[Yava]

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

B-35 system was/is good and simple... has some bugs but still is good, Waterloo is also a good game and still very complex... suitable for 4 players in my opinion, at least I used to play that way... never really had a chance to play Tanenberg...

Well as for B-35 system its to many chart's , tables lots of comparing in this firefight stuff , As for Ardeny 1944 system this one sucked a big time the only one suffering losses was the attacker as the defender was loseing something when he got isolated[:D] I never played their September 1939 system... as for Waterloo the rules weren't so complex its just that this game is so time consuming... The most fun to play of the series for me was "Desert Rat's"[:D] and "Tannenberg" with its HQ Activation Rule the Russians have great advantage but their Commanders are passive or neutral at best there is one Active in Samsonov Army and it may happen that most off your forces will not move becouse the General decided he want's to weait[:D]

Still B-35 system is rather easy and fast for someone who plays.

To all you non Polish people who don't know about what games were talking about... here

[Przemcio231]

Yes its easy as for this if its fast well not always[:D]

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I'd say it comes down to the fact that the computer is willing and able to play whenever you want, 100% of the time. Not so for a meatbag opponent.

I'm sorry, but I think time has gotten away from a monster paper game like Decision Games WitP. And $420?!?!?!? Come on!

I'm tempted for the $420 monster. I would most likely play it solitare as some others have said.

I grew up with the old paper variety war games. My father gave me Avalon Hill's Luftwaffe in 1971. Through my teenage years, I mostly just played with a friend or two. I went to a few gaming conventions, but the intense competiveness from some players put me off.

Eventually we grew up and went off to college. I haven't even seen my main war gaming friend in nearly 20 years. I don't know what happened to him, though they named a hurricane after him recently. [;)]

I kept all my old games, even though I haven't played them for years. I bought up a bunch of them when Avalon Hill got bought out. I've never played any of them.

Like you, I play computer games these days because the computer it always willing to play. It doesn't have a complex schedule that needs to be negotiated. I have enough trouble getting time for me to play.

I do miss the social aspects of playing the old board games. It's a hobby that has grown much smaller since computer games got more sophisticated and the new gamers cut their teeth on computer games. The reasons are good ones. I share many of them. I still miss it. One of the downsides of growing older and technology moving ahead.

Bill

[DuckofTindalos]

I never bought that many paper wargames, mostly because of difficulty finding people to play, but I've got a few, and I've never really wanted to get rid of them, so they're in my closet somewhere.

[BrucePowers]

I agree that, with the board games, there was more social interaction. I belonged to the conflict simulation society at my college. Our gaming night was Sunday. It was a lot of fun. This forum and PBEMs have brought a lot of that back for me. I started posting regularly on the forum in May. I had not been able to have these kind of war game discussions in years.

[BB56]

Just out of curiosity, did the game come with any counter trays? The last few games I bought (quite a while ago) either didn't come with any trays at all, or not enough to properly store the counters.

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: BB56

Just out of curiosity, did the game come with any counter trays? The last few games I bought (quite a while ago) either didn't come with any trays at all, or not enough to properly store the counters.

Counter trays for 9K counters, I don't hink so. Just picture the BOX and the added shipping costs!

Flipper

[Ron Saueracker]

I used to buy those mini shelving/drawer units...counter trays were always a pain in the keester.

[BrucePowers]

I have all the counters for SPIs War in the Pacific in little plastic bags...lots of them.

[witpqs]

Little plastic bags, band-aid boxes (the metal ones), anything we could scrounge up.

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: BB56

Just out of curiosity, did the game come with any counter trays? The last few games I bought (quite a while ago) either didn't come with any trays at all, or not enough to properly store the counters.

The game comes with about 50-100 (just a guess I haven't counted them) zip-lock bags. Not a perfect solution but workable if you don't have anything better.

Jim

[BrucePowers]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Little plastic bags, band-aid boxes (the metal ones), anything we could scrounge up.

I had not thought of band aid boxes. That's a good one.

[BB56]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: BB56

Just out of curiosity, did the game come with any counter trays? The last few games I bought (quite a while ago) either didn't come with any trays at all, or not enough to properly store the counters.

The game comes with about 50-100 (just a guess I haven't counted them) zip-lock bags. Not a perfect solution but workable if you don't have anything better.

Jim

That's a lot of bags to keep track of. I guess you'll have to label each of them so that you know what is in them - Allied CV's, Jap CV's, Marines, etc. I'd love to have this game, if only to fondle the counters and gawk at the maps, but I can't justify the cost right now.

[Bill Durrant]

Speak to any of the ASL guys - I think they kept a company called Plano (sp?) in business!

[RevRick]

Along with the bass fishers...
Try sewing boxes for the counters. They take up a bit more room, but they hold a whole lot more. We had the oulde game set up in the War Room down in the basement. Air conditioned, no cats, dogs or gerbils, but also not a lot of room - about the size of CIC on a non-FRAMd Fletcher.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Yava

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

Games that can be completed in one or two evening sucks!!!

Why to ever play them if you realized that you are finishing it, even if you just started.

Try playing Waterloo from Dragon... [:'(] One evening of setting up...[;)]

Ooh, more details please? Dragon who?