Modifications to MWiF Scandinavia Map portion

[Froonp]

Great ! [:D]
Finaly they are here !

But, why the hexgrid is sooooo black near the shores ?

[YohanTM2]

I like the new blue for rivers, stands out a bit more for us somewhat colour blind folks

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

The Baltic (I guess we should add the name a second time for the northern portion) and the lakes of Finland.
Lakes Lagoda and Onega need work. There is also the problem around Aland and Turku.

- There is a River hexside missing on the SW hexside of the hex where "FIN" of Finland is written (32,50).
- There is a River hexside missing on the SE hexside of the hex 33,51.
- There is a River hexside missing on the E hexside of Murmansk (Edit : This one may be because of data missing in the "Standard Map HST.CSV", I am modifying it).

There seems to miss bits of lakes on hex bits. I suppose this is because data is missing from the "Standard Map RLS.CSV" file. If you give me hint on how to fill it with the right data, I'm ready and willing to do it to save you time.

[Froonp]

If you look closely at Lake Vattern, you can see the two colors for the river/lake outlines. I think I prefer the new one (darker blue) that Rob suggested.

Which one is the "darker" one ? the one on the north shores of Lake Vättern, or the one on south shores ?
I prefer south shore, it stants out better.
Same for rivers.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

If you look closely at Lake Vattern, you can see the two colors for the river/lake outlines. I think I prefer the new one (darker blue) that Rob suggested.

Which one is the "darker" one ? the one on the north shores of Lake Vättern, or the one on south shores ?
I prefer south shore, it stants out better.
Same for rivers.

The new is darker and on the north side.

Yohan likes the new; you like the old; I prefer the new; what do the rest of the forum members think? (Please, please, please, not a perfect tie on this too).

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

The Baltic (I guess we should add the name a second time for the northern portion) and the lakes of Finland.
Lakes Lagoda and Onega need work. There is also the problem around Aland and Turku.

- There is a River hexside missing on the SW hexside of the hex where "FIN" of Finland is written (32,50).
- There is a River hexside missing on the SE hexside of the hex 33,51.
- There is a River hexside missing on the E hexside of Murmansk (Edit : This one may be because of data missing in the "Standard Map HST.CSV", I am modifying it).

There seems to miss bits of lakes on hex bits. I suppose this is because data is missing from the "Standard Map RLS.CSV" file. If you give me hint on how to fill it with the right data, I'm ready and willing to do it to save you time.

Patrice, please fix any data errors you find. The RLS file format is just: row, column. It indicates hexes that need river/lake bitmap overlays, but do not have any river or lake hexsides.

If you want to start making a list of errors, I would prefer it to be hex by hex.

[wfzimmerman]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Here is a tease. The new coastal bitmaps for Scandinavia have arrived.

Anyone else enjoy Alistair Maclean's BEAR ISLAND?

[wfzimmerman]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Last in the series. We are having a problem where the European map joins the Scandinavian map. This area received a lot of discussion in the forum and we will straigten it out. The problem is merely one of getting the graphics to look right - we already are completely decided on what the terrain features will be for game play.

We have some of the old river hexes still being drawn though the river bitmaps are in place (Dalalven). That is almost certainly a data problem.

If you look closely at Lake Vattern, you can see the two colors for the river/lake outlines. I think I prefer the new one (darker blue) that Rob suggested.

I really think it's a mistake to have the glacier hex have perfectly hexagonal sides.

[Froonp]

Patrice, please fix any data errors you find. The RLS file format is just: row, column. It indicates hexes that need river/lake bitmap overlays, but do not have any river or lake hexsides.

If you want to start making a list of errors, I would prefer it to be hex by hex.

I'll make a list of hexes that miss a bit of lake, and I'll also enter their coordinate in the RLS file, and then send you the corrected file (with the whole CSV map package).

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: wfzimmerman
I really think it's a mistake to have the glacier hex have perfectly hexagonal sides.

Maybe, but this is the only hex in the world like this. The other ice hexes are in large groups (not counting the ice island hex on the Norwegian coast).

All the other terrain suffers from the same effect. For example, the Forest hex to the NW of the glacier hex looks weird because it is isolated. We are just used to seeing the other terrain types and the white hex jumps out at the viewer.

[Toed]

The coastlines look really nice.

However there are a few things that jump out when I look at these maps.

1. Mälaren seems to have its old form (a 'fjord' instead of a lake).
2. Hjälmaren is missing.
3. Dalälven isn't reaching the baltic and the mouth or the river has the old style.
4. The port of Luleå should be placed adjacent to the mouth of Luleälven.

[lomyrin]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Froonp

If you look closely at Lake Vattern, you can see the two colors for the river/lake outlines. I think I prefer the new one (darker blue) that Rob suggested.

Which one is the "darker" one ? the one on the north shores of Lake Vättern, or the one on south shores ?
I prefer south shore, it stants out better.
Same for rivers.

The new is darker and on the north side.

Yohan likes the new; you like the old; I prefer the new; what do the rest of the forum members think? (Please, please, please, not a perfect tie on this too).

I like the northern outline just a little better than the southern one. It seems a bit less interfering with other items on the map.

Lars

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Toed

The coastlines look really nice.

However there are a few things that jump out when I look at these maps.

1. Mälaren seems to have its old form (a 'fjord' instead of a lake).
2. Hjälmaren is missing.
3. Dalälven isn't reaching the baltic and the mouth or the river has the old style.
4. The port of Luleå should be placed adjacent to the mouth of Luleälven.

Thanks. It was a team effort.[&:][>:][:(][:@][:'(][:-][8|][:)]

Please be as picky as you can on these maps. We made a ton of revisions to Scandinavia and I expect it will take us several passes before we get everything cleaned up.

For right now, I want to work with the coast lines and rivers/lakes Rob has already provided and get the most we can out of them. That means fixing data mostly. But I also need to rerun the preprocessing program on the European map using the revised river/lakes overlay Rob just sent me this morning. Once Patrice and I clean up the data et al, then we'll go back to Rob with a list of hexes that need improved coastlines, rivers, and/or lakes. There should only be a few of those (less than 10), mostly in soutern Sweden and Norway.

[c92nichj]

The look of the big lakes in Sweden are in the old format and really need an update to the graphic.
The one's posted by Patrice earlier was quite decent.

[Neilster]

The old river colour stands out well but looks a bit fake now. I prefer the new one. It certainly (IMHO) improves the lake outlines.

And yes, I enjoyed Bear Island.

Cheers, Neilster

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Here are the revised maps with Patrice's corrections to the data and some merging on my part of the European map bitmaps with the Scandinavian map bitmaps.

This is the portion that still needs the most work. Rob did new bitmaps for hex row 36 and above (Bergen is in hexrow 36). Hexrow 37 (where the words NORWAY and SWEDEN appear) and below are exact copies of the WIF FE map.

The hexsides between these two rows have some weird artifacts: the lake hexside in the hex NOR, the river hexsides in the hexes SWEDEN. More noticeable are the strange breaks between coastal land hexes: Stavanger, Stockholm.

What needs to be done here is for Rob to redo the bitmaps for hexrows 37, 38, 39, and 40 (down to Kristiansand). Maybe also 41, to get the new outline for Vattern. That will also fix the weirdness around Aland and Turku (shown in next post).

[Peter Stauffenberg]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Here are the revised maps with Patrice's corrections to the data and some merging on my part of the European map bitmaps with the Scandinavian map bitmaps.

This is the portion that still needs the most work. Rob did new bitmaps for hex row 36 and above (Bergen is in hexrow 36). Hexrow 37 (where the words NORWAY and SWEDEN appear) and below are exact copies of the WIF FE map.

The NE hexside in the hex 1xSE of Bergen needs to be redone. The way it looks now is that the land is connected to the hex 1xE of Bergen. The NE hexside should be all sea so the fjord is not closed.

The hexes 1xNW and 1xNE of Stavanger need to be connected by land just as Patrice drew on his map.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Here is the continuation of the hexside join between hexrow 36 and 37. Viborg is in hexrow 36 (new Scandinavian map) while Helsinki and Leningrad are in hexrow 37 (European map). These look pretty good except for Turku.

There is still a problem with Lake Lagoda and Lake Onega. I think that can be fixed by coding the hexsides as lake hexsides - it's sort of dumb, the hex is next to an all lake hex, so clearly there is a lake hexside there. But computers miss such subtlies that the human eye perceives immediately.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

3rd in a series of 4. The only thing I see here is the missisng river in the south. 4 of the 5 flow into the White Sea, but one of them stops short. I think that is data missing as to river hexsides.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
3rd in a series of 4. The only thing I see here is the missisng river in the south. 4 of the 5 flow into the White Sea, but one of them stops short. I think that is data missing as to river hexsides.

No this is not an error, this river does not flow into the White Sea in my Scandinavia Drawing.