Shouldn't 5:1 odds cause retreat or surrender ?

[Hartley]

Or do I misundestand the land combat mechanism ?

[mogami]

Hi, against enemy with less then 3 forts it should. However sometimes units do not surrender regardless of odds. In most cases odds of enemy fort level plus 2 should do the trick.

[MarcA]

ORIGINAL: Hartley

Or do I misundestand the land combat mechanism ?

If your fighting in a hex which does not contain a base and the enemy have no retreat path then odds of 100's:1 will not cause them to retreat or surrender

[dtravel]

ORIGINAL: mantill

ORIGINAL: Hartley

Or do I misundestand the land combat mechanism ?

If your fighting in a hex which does not contain a base and the enemy have no retreat path then odds of 100's:1 will not cause them to retreat or surrender

Or the massively outnumbered troops are Japanese.

Basically, the only forces that will retreat/surrender they way you would expect all troops to are Allied forces in bases.

[scott64]

Ground combat at Lingayen
 
Japanese Deliberate attack
 
Attacking force 28420 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 397
 
Defending force 1260 troops, 0 guns, 81 vehicles, Assault Value = 38
 
Japanese max assault: 360 - adjusted assault: 216
 
Allied max defense: 34 - adjusted defense: 3
 
Japanese assault odds: 72 to 1
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Allied ground losses:
1447 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 94
 
[8|][X(][:'(][:D][:)][8D] 

[1EyedJacks]

ORIGINAL: scott1964

Ground combat at Lingayen

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28420 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 397

Defending force 1260 troops, 0 guns, 81 vehicles, Assault Value = 38

Japanese max assault: 360 - adjusted assault: 216

Allied max defense: 34 - adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 72 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1447 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 94

[8|][X(][:'(][:D][:)][8D] 

Wow - I didn't know this. I've never seen it B4. It's amazing the thing I learn in this forum <GRIN>.

[Sneer]

normal situation
even chinae are able to withstand for a long time odds leveling 10:1 and few days at 50:1

[tsimmonds]

You just have to keep attacking them, they will fold up before long.

[scott64]

Yeah those guy were last seen sitting on the beach witha BBQ, the next day we attacked and they just surrendered.&nbsp;[:'(][:D][:'(]

[Freddy Fudpucker]

ORIGINAL: mantill

If your fighting in a hex which does not contain a base and the enemy have no retreat path then odds of 100's:1 will not cause them to retreat or surrender

I've had odds of well over 200-1 trying to defeat Japanese base defenders and they still don't budge. You just have to keep hitting them until they finally decide to retreat.

[Nikademus]

remember that the modified combat odds don't directly represent the current state of the LCU in terms of damage, so 100:1 or 200:1 odds, if the unit has not reached the critical point of damage where it disintegrates, it will hold out. Keep an eye on the final adjusted defense value. Thats a better indicator.