Ideas for Land Unit writeups

[Plainian]

Adding in names of known Division/Corps commanders might be interesting as part of the history write section. German Corps tended to be known by this name. eg XVII Korps on the Don River was Gen. Hollidt. IV Corps at Stalingrad was (von?) Schwedler?
Or it could be part of the section of the bottom ie Fronts/Decorations/Commanders.
I'm pretty sure I saw von Seydlitz mentioned in a write up of the doomed LI Corps at Stalingrad on another thread.

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Plain Ian

Adding in names of known Division/Corps commanders might be interesting as part of the history write section. German Corps tended to be known by this name. eg XVII Korps on the Don River was Gen. Hollidt. IV Corps at Stalingrad was (von?) Schwedler?
Or it could be part of the section of the bottom ie Fronts/Decorations/Commanders.
I'm pretty sure I saw von Seydlitz mentioned in a write up of the doomed LI Corps at Stalingrad on another thread.

I had some feedback earlier that I focused too much towards the commanders so I removed it somewhat.

What I could do is to add a line after campaigns and decorations with most famous commander. Or I could even write a little story below about the most famous commander, some information on him and what happened to him. On the other hand...that will take quite some time.

As of now I do check the commanders in each Korps and if someone catches my eye as a famous person (judging subjectivly from my very own brand of ignorance) I will mention them. Of course this is not a very solid method.

Maybe the best course of action is to give the task back to you very knowledgable people that browse these forums. What if you would suggest a commander that should be mentioned when writing about a specific corps? For example like Plain Ian did with von Schedler and the IV corps.

What do you think?

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

When you'll be at ARM units, you can also list the tanks models they used, and periods when they used them, and the number they have if known or of special interest.

You can also cite the first unit equipped with Tigers, Panthers, or else...., or that the unit used old models Panzer III up to 1945 or Panzer II up to 19??.

For the ART writups, you could explain the main weapon (featured in the name of the unit) characteritics, and its feats if any (lots of thing to say about the 88 mm AA dual purpose).

I like it! I will definitly use your suggestion! I only have 8 more INFs to do so I will have to read up on my Tigers and Elephants. [:D]

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

ORIGINAL: capitan
Campaigns: Fall Weiss (39), Fall Gelb (40), Barbarossa (41), Zitadelle (43) and Kurland (44-45)

I really like the use of Campaign names!!!

BTW, Grab has offered to help where needed. You might talk to him offline about the land unit writeups.

Great! I will send him a PM welcoming him to the brood. The more the merrier!

[jesperpehrson]

How do you guys like this?

[2494] [XXI Infantry Korps]
.T The XXI Infantry Korps was raised 1939 in Köningsberg (Wehrkreis I).
.P After playing a smaller part in the Polish campaign the corps was transferred first westwards to the German city of Trier and then from OKH-command to OKW-command. It was to be involved in the upcoming Operation Weserubung, the invasion of Denmark and Norway.
.P The composition of the corps was carefully planned by the World War 1 veteran General Von Falkenhorst, who had previous experience of fighting in Arctic conditions in Finland 20 years earlier.
.P When the operation was initiated the German forces consisted of several groups of the Kriegsmarine, some fighter squadrons from the Luftwaffe and the XXI Infantry Korps. The corps included five infantry divisions and the 3rd mountaineer division (which consisted mainly of Austrian Mountain troops). Of these six divisions only the latter had any combat experience.
.P The operation was a success and the Norwegians capitulated only two months after the fighting began.
.P In June 1941 the corps was renamed Norwegian Mountain corps and attacked from Petsamo in Finland towards Murmansk. The operation was a failure and a stalemate ensued until the Russians had gathered enough forces to counterattack. The corps was finally thrown back into Norway.
.P The Mountain corps (now called the XIX Mountain Korps) surrendered in May 1945.
.H
.B Campaigns: Fall Weiss (1939), Operation Weserübung (1940) and Operation Silberfuchs (1941)
.B Decorations: Unknown number of Knights Crosses, the full set of Army Narvik Shields and numerous Iron Crosses
.B Commander of renown: Eduard Dietl, who was a convinced Nazi, commanded the 3rd Mountaineer Division and was the first German to receive the honorary Oak Leaves attached to his Knights Cross.

[Zorachus99]

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

ORIGINAL: capitan
Campaigns: Fall Weiss (39), Fall Gelb (40), Barbarossa (41), Zitadelle (43) and Kurland (44-45)

I really like the use of Campaign names!!!

BTW, Grab has offered to help where needed. You might talk to him offline about the land unit writeups.

I feel that I need more. Most people don't know what operation Fall Gelb was at a glance. Perhaps Location : Operation name?

Ex: Campaigns: Poland : Fall Weiss (39), France: Fall Gelb (40),...

It seems that I'd be actually willing to investigate what these campaign names when they have a sense of location. Of the 5 I only recognized 2 off-hand. I certainly wouln't automatically look up a lot of nomenclature, but if the location and name were there I'd be tempted into looking up the operation to learn more and compare it to history.

The downside would be that it could seem redundant at some point.

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99
I feel that I need more. Most people don't know what operation Fall Gelb was at a glance. Perhaps Location : Operation name?

Ex: Campaigns: Poland : Fall Weiss (39), France: Fall Gelb (40),...

It seems that I'd be actually willing to investigate what these campaign names when they have a sense of location. Of the 5 I only recognized 2 off-hand. I certainly wouln't automatically look up a lot of nomenclature, but if the location and name were there I'd be tempted into looking up the operation to learn more and compare it to history.

The downside would be that it could seem redundant at some point.

You would like something like this?

Campaigns: Fall Weiss (Poland 1939), Fall Gelb (France 1940), Operation Barbarossa (Russia 1941), Operation Zitadelle (Russia 1943) and the Kurland Pocket (Lithuania 1944-45)

[Zorachus99]

ORIGINAL: capitan

How do you guys like this?

[2494] [XXI Infantry Korps]
.T The XXI Infantry Korps was raised 1939 in Köningsberg (Wehrkreis I).
.P After playing a smaller part in the Polish campaign the corps was transferred first westwards to the German city of Trier and then from OKH-command to OKW-command. It was to be involved in the upcoming Operation Weserubung, the invasion of Denmark and Norway.
.P The composition of the corps was carefully planned by the World War 1 veteran General Von Falkenhorst, who had previous experience of fighting in Arctic conditions in Finland 20 years earlier.
.P When the operation was initiated the German forces consisted of several groups of the Kriegsmarine, some fighter squadrons from the Luftwaffe and the XXI Infantry Korps. The corps included five infantry divisions and the 3rd mountaineer division (which consisted mainly of Austrian Mountain troops). Of these six divisions only the latter had any combat experience.
.P The operation was a success and the Norwegians capitulated only two months after the fighting began.
.P In June 1941 the corps was renamed Norwegian Mountain corps and attacked from Petsamo in Finland towards Murmansk. The operation was a failure and a stalemate ensued until the Russians had gathered enough forces to counterattack. The corps was finally thrown back into Norway.
.P The Mountain corps (now called the XIX Mountain Korps) surrendered in May 1945.
.H
.B Campaigns: Fall Weiss (1939), Operation Weserübung (1940) and Operation Silberfuchs (1941)
.B Decorations: Unknown number of Knights Crosses, the full set of Army Narvik Shields and numerous Iron Crosses
.B Commander of renown: Eduard Dietl, who was a convinced Nazi, commanded the 3rd Mountaineer Division and was the first German to receive the honorary Oak Leaves attached to his Knights Cross.

Reading this makes me want to change it to type MTN [&:]

The writeup is excellent, it just seems to question Harry Rowlands classification of the unit.

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

ORIGINAL: capitan

How do you guys like this?

[2494] [XXI Infantry Korps]
.T The XXI Infantry Korps was raised 1939 in Köningsberg (Wehrkreis I).
.P After playing a smaller part in the Polish campaign the corps was transferred first westwards to the German city of Trier and then from OKH-command to OKW-command. It was to be involved in the upcoming Operation Weserubung, the invasion of Denmark and Norway.
.P The composition of the corps was carefully planned by the World War 1 veteran General Von Falkenhorst, who had previous experience of fighting in Arctic conditions in Finland 20 years earlier.
.P When the operation was initiated the German forces consisted of several groups of the Kriegsmarine, some fighter squadrons from the Luftwaffe and the XXI Infantry Korps. The corps included five infantry divisions and the 3rd mountaineer division (which consisted mainly of Austrian Mountain troops). Of these six divisions only the latter had any combat experience.
.P The operation was a success and the Norwegians capitulated only two months after the fighting began.
.P In June 1941 the corps was renamed Norwegian Mountain corps and attacked from Petsamo in Finland towards Murmansk. The operation was a failure and a stalemate ensued until the Russians had gathered enough forces to counterattack. The corps was finally thrown back into Norway.
.P The Mountain corps (now called the XIX Mountain Korps) surrendered in May 1945.
.H
.B Campaigns: Fall Weiss (1939), Operation Weserübung (1940) and Operation Silberfuchs (1941)
.B Decorations: Unknown number of Knights Crosses, the full set of Army Narvik Shields and numerous Iron Crosses
.B Commander of renown: Eduard Dietl, who was a convinced Nazi, commanded the 3rd Mountaineer Division and was the first German to receive the honorary Oak Leaves attached to his Knights Cross.

Reading this makes me want to change it to type MTN [&:]

The writeup is excellent, it just seems to question Harry Rowlands classification of the unit.

To be fair, the XXI corps existed only until 1941 and was 5/6 normal infantry divisions. I continued to follow it cause I figured it would be interesting for all of us.

[Froonp]

You would like something like this?

Campaigns: Fall Weiss (Poland 1939), Fall Gelb (France 1940), Operation Barbarossa (Russia 1941), Operation Zitadelle (Russia 1943) and the Kurland Pocket (Lithuania 1944-45)

Great for my tastes !!!

[Zorachus99]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

You would like something like this?

Campaigns: Fall Weiss (Poland 1939), Fall Gelb (France 1940), Operation Barbarossa (Russia 1941), Operation Zitadelle (Russia 1943) and the Kurland Pocket (Lithuania 1944-45)

Great for my tastes !!!

Very nice!

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

ORIGINAL: Froonp

You would like something like this?

Campaigns: Fall Weiss (Poland 1939), Fall Gelb (France 1940), Operation Barbarossa (Russia 1941), Operation Zitadelle (Russia 1943) and the Kurland Pocket (Lithuania 1944-45)

Great for my tastes !!!

Very nice!

Alright, then that is settled. I will update the existing writeups and use this in the future as well.

How do you feel about the "commander of renown"-tag?

Here is another example:
[2493] [XX Infantry Korps]
.T The XX Infantry Korps was raised 1940 in Berlin
.P As Operation Barbarossa commenced the corps drove through Eastern Poland and Smolensk before finally reaching the southwestern outskirts of Moscow (Naro Fominsk). As the offense was halted the corps went on the defense and in the winter of 1941 it had to make a fighting retread to avoid being crushed. It settled near Rzhev, defending the Vyazma salient.
.P The XX Infantry Korps was then transferred south for Operation Zitadelle, where it was positioned between the Ninth and Second Armies, close to the city of Sevsk. Unfortunatly for the corps the operation is a fiasco and it is forced to retreat Westwards.
.P In early 1945 the corps is fighting a desperate defense north of Warsaw and is finally surrounded and destroyed in the Heiligerbeiler pocket.
.P The corps is reformed to aid in the defense of Berlin and because of this desperately tries to rescue the 9th Army by attacking towards Potsdam. This ends in disaster and the corps flees. In May 1945 it crosses the Elbe and surrenders to the Americans.
.H
.B Campaigns: Operation Barbarossa (Russia 1941) and Operation Zitadelle (Russia 1943)
.B Decorations: XX Knights Crosses and numerous Iron Crosses
.B Commander of renown: Edgar Röhrich, the Silesian General who commanded the XX Infantry Korps during a shorter period of time in 1943, was a decorated veteran from the First Worldwar. After the war he was put in prison at the infamous “Island Farm Special Camp 11”

[wmcalpine]

All,

I am the volunteer writing up descriptions for US land units. I have been a long time lurker, and am new to both MWiF and WiF. Does anyone where I could get a scan of the US land unit counters? I want to know which units are divisions and which are corps to help get me started in researching their history. This is going to be a blast!

Thanks to all

Bill

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: wmcalpine

All,

I am the volunteer writing up descriptions for US land units. I have been a long time lurker, and am new to both MWiF and WiF. Does anyone where I could get a scan of the US land unit counters? I want to know which units are divisions and which are corps to help get me started in researching their history. This is going to be a blast!

Thanks to all

Bill

A certain Patrice has these on his website:
http://perso.orange.fr/froon/WiF/counters/index.htm

[:)]

[trees trees]

someone will need to write a basic paragraph explaining the theoretical units, such as the Japanese MECH which was mentioned. something like "World in Flames lets you decide what military technology to build for your armed forces. To that end, there is a complete range of land units for all major powers, even if that power never employed such military units in history."

[Plainian]

I like the commander of reknown tag. Prefer it better than the decorations tag which I think looks a bit strange when talking about higher level formations and not individuals or units. But it adds colour and is unusual so keep it in. Rather than being a dry OOB study the write up up could be the unit 'blog'..... to use the current terminology.
By the way my only hard copy source (I still go and look in my attic for the books rather than google) on German OOB (Hitlers Legions - Samuel W. Mitcham) says that XX Corps was raised in Danzig which would seem right because Wehrkreis XX was Danzig.
Keep up the good work though.
 
Ian from 'bonnie' Dundee
 

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: capitan
As of now I do check the commanders in each Korps and if someone catches my eye as a famous person (judging subjectivly from my very own brand of ignorance) I will mention them. Of course this is not a very solid method.

Perhaps limit it to mentioning only those Generals who appear as HQ units within MWiF.
Just an idea

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: wmcalpine
Does anyone where I could get a scan of the US land unit counters? I want to know which units are divisions and which are corps to help get me started in researching their history. This is going to be a blast!

Patrice's site is superb but the definitive list of land units comes from Steve. That list has been provided to Capitan who is de facto co-ordinator of the land unit write ups. I think the list was sent to you as a PM in this Forum (I certainly got it)

That is the list you need to be using.

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99
It seems that I'd be actually willing to investigate what these campaign names when they have a sense of location. Of the 5 I only recognized 2 off-hand. I certainly wouln't automatically look up a lot of nomenclature, but if the location and name were there I'd be tempted into looking up the operation to learn more and compare it to history.

That's the whole purpose of these write-ups. They are not meant to be a definitive dictionary definition of who-what-where, but rather to whet a player's appetite to go and do their own research.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

ORIGINAL: capitan
As of now I do check the commanders in each Korps and if someone catches my eye as a famous person (judging subjectivly from my very own brand of ignorance) I will mention them. Of course this is not a very solid method.

Perhaps limit it to mentioning only those Generals who appear as HQ units within MWiF.
Just an idea

No. That is too restrictive.