Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

[stretch]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

Yeah, moreover, you learn lots of things, I am very pleased with all that !

too bad we can't add line drawings and photograps for air and naval units. [:D]
please don't hit me, Steve.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

A single writeup from Wosung - but I think it counts triple[;)]

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

A single writeup from Wosung - but I think it counts triple[;)]

He actually made more but I figured we should only tease the readers no? [:D]

Wosung for president! [&o]

[Neilster]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

2nd and last in series.

I know you will be amazed to learn that the British also had a navy in WWII. This writeup comes to us from Graf Zeppelin.

Zeppeliners?

Cheers, Neilster

[christo]

ORIGINAL: Neilster

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

2nd and last in series.

I know you will be amazed to learn that the British also had a navy in WWII. This writeup comes to us from Graf Zeppelin.

Zeppeliners?

Cheers, Neilster

I did a bit of research when I read the zeppeliner quote and the word may be danish. Tondern was originally in Germany but is now in Denmark. The link below is an interesting insight into the raid and the nature of the war in general at that time.

http://www.casey.tgis.co.uk/web/dfc/tonder.htm

Christo

[Froonp]

A single writeup from Wosung - but I think it counts triple

Great.
Except for one thing : The IDs of the units talked about would be better in digits rather than letters. 66th rather than sixty sixth.

My previous remark about putting numbers in letters rather than digits was for small numbers, for example "there are two cases" instead of "there are 2 cases". In the latter, the use of a digit looks clumsy IMO.

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

A single writeup from Wosung - but I think it counts triple

Great.
Except for one thing : The IDs of the units talked about would be better in digits rather than letters. 66th rather than sixty sixth.

My previous remark about putting numbers in letters rather than digits was for small numbers, for example "there are two cases" instead of "there are 2 cases". In the latter, the use of a digit looks clumsy IMO.

This is all my fault. I believed we had a consensus on this so I changed it.

I will change it back.

[Norden_slith]

The "Tondernraid" or (Tønder in danish) is wellknown where I come from. Its just north of the border nowadays and you can still find the fundaments of the Zeppelinhalls there. Regarding the "originally german" thing, thats incorrect. The germans took over the place in 1864 (to 1920). Its originally danish, taken by the germans and then the population in the area voted for 3 different models of borders in 1920, thats where it still is. My hometown winding up in Germany (Flensburg - capital in the last days of the third reich btw).

[CBoehm]

ORIGINAL: christo

I did a bit of research when I read the zeppeliner quote and the word may be danish. Tondern was originally in Germany but is now in Denmark. The link below is an interesting insight into the raid and the nature of the war in general at that time.

http://www.casey.tgis.co.uk/web/dfc/tonder.htm

Christo

Tondern (?) or Tønder as we like to call it ... is today indeed in Denmark. Denmark lost Tønder as well as 1/3 of Jutland and Slesvig to Prussia during the 1864 war ...after ww1 "as the story goes" UK basically offered we could have it all back and then some...ei. Hamburg was never part of Denmark (If Im not mistaken I think Hamburg Altona a suburb was, but dont hang me up on that one) - but fearing Germany or not wanting any more trouble with the issue the danish government made up its mind to agree with the German government that the border should be drafted according to the results of a referendum ... - this also had the consequence that the danish-german border was one of the very few that wasnt corrected after the occupation of Denmark ...ofcause this might have something to do with the germans planning in the longer term to simple absorb us as another bundesländern or something like that ... [8|]

Anyway I believe I started going on and on and on about this because something was said about Tønder and the zepelin facilities there - the facilities I believe is today a museum ...

http://www.zeppelin-museum.dk/

[wosung]

First, thanx guys!

For the digit-letter question: Jesper advised me to use more letters.
Personally I think two-hundredth, or what else it might be, is hard to read. And not even a Chinese could spell it!

A few remarks about my write-ups:

1. Its hard to be consistent with the transcriptions: Right now the geographical names are in the WW2-style everybody is more or less used to from the WIF maps. But the names of the persons (beside Chiang Kai-shek) are in modern style of the People's Republic of China (PRC) - because everybody is used to it. It's the difference between Hupeh ore Hubei province, Mao Tse-tung and Mao Zedong, etc. Comments?

2. These little lingustical questions, together with the question of labelling and describing Chinese units and Warlords, etc. might have bigger impact, even on sales of MWIF.
"Hearts of Iron" has been banned in PRC because it labelled Sinkiang, Tibet, Manchuria as independant countries. At least HOI seems not to have been critized for using old transcriptions like Sinkiang. For the PRC and historical wargaming see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_of_iron

3. Addendum for the First Yoke: In the summary there should be a sentence like:
"The Chinese Army in India arguably was one of the best fighting units of the Chungking government."
Sometimes all the little facts just cover the essentials.

4. There is another unit description in pipeline. Second Yoke [unit 2956]. I had some difficulties to connect these two Yoke WIFFE counters with historical units. According to my sources (Tuchman: Stilwell; Oxford Companion to WW2, etc.) there was only one Y-Force (WIFFE Second Yoke). And WIFFE First Yoke historically was known as Chinese Burma Corps, X-Force, Chinese Army in Burma. Anybody wants to double-check?

Regards

[jesperpehrson]

Now I changed the digits back. I kept the numbers 1-10 in letters and all above in numbers. This sound good? Or all numbers?

[CBoehm]

ORIGINAL: capitan

Now I changed the digits back. I kept the numbers 1-10 in letters and all above in numbers. This sound good? Or all numbers?

in unit designations ei. 1st 2nd 3rd...12th SS ... 101st airborne etc. - I prefer numbers ...

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: wosung

First, thanx guys!

For the digit-letter question: Jesper advised me to use more letters.
Personally I think two-hundredth, or what else it might be, is hard to read. And not even a Chinese could spell it!

Agreed completely.

A few remarks about my write-ups:

1. Its hard to be consistent with the transcriptions: Right now the geographical names are in the WW2-style everybody is more or less used to from the WIF maps. But the names of the persons (beside Chiang Kai-shek) are in modern style of the People's Republic of China (PRC) - because everybody is used to it. It's the difference between Hupeh ore Hubei province, Mao Tse-tung and Mao Zedong, etc. Comments?

About Mao Tse-tung / Mao Zedong, I believe that westerners are more used to the former (Mao Tse-tung)

About the Chinese transcriptions of the Provinces names of China in the 40s, here are the names I intend to use on the MWiF map :
- ANHWEI
- CHEKIANG
- FUKIEN
- HONAN
- HOPEI (or is it HOPEH ?)
- HUNAN
- HUPEH
- INNER MONGOLIA
- KANSU
- KIANGSI
- KIANGSU
- KWANGSI
- KWANGTUNG
- KWEICHOW
- SHANSI
- SHANTUNG
- SHENSI
- SINKIANG
- SZECHWAN
- TSINGHAI
- YUNNAN

I intend on having them written on the map, even if there are no Province border, just for flavor. Hopefully they will not clutter the map too much, otherwise I would remove them.
I write this so that you can use consistent names with the ones I'll use.
Obviously, if you think I'm wrong in any of those names, I'll accept your correction and use that name.

As a side note, I also intend to add the following area names :
- BELORUSSIA
- CRIMEA
- SILESIA
- PELOPONNESOS
- MACEDONIA
- THRACE
- CROATIA
- BOSNIA
- SERBIA
- SCOTLAND
- WALES
- ENGLAND
For flavor, and only if that does not clutter the map too much.

I would also like to add the USA & Canada states names too, but USA states names risk being much cluttered on the Northeast, so I don't really know yet.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: CBoehm

ORIGINAL: capitan

Now I changed the digits back. I kept the numbers 1-10 in letters and all above in numbers. This sound good? Or all numbers?

in unit designations ei. 1st 2nd 3rd...12th SS ... 101st airborne etc. - I prefer numbers ...

Agreed.

Only for speech-like description is it preferable to use letters. For example, do not write "the 1st time it was used was..." but better put it in letters. Anyway, that's just my opinion.

[wosung]

Patrice,

Hopei/Hopeh, both is possible, so stay with Hopei. We can correct it in the unit descriptions.

In first half of twentieth century China just was political fragmented and so were the transcriptions.

[jesperpehrson]

I have been looking for some information on something that could be used for the GE MIL I have come up with nothing solid.

This is my suggestion for the MIL

[2527] [Berlin Militia]
.T This unit symbolises all the different Militia, Landwehr and Volksturm troops that helped in the defense of Berlin.
.P Berlin was captured on the 2nd of May 1945 by the Russians and most of the different surviving formations in this corps probably surrendered with the fall of the city.
.H
.B Campaigns: Berlin (1945)

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[2529] [Breslau Militia]
.T This unit symbolises all the different Militia, Landwehr and Volksturm troops that helped in the defense of Breslau.
.P Breslau was captured on the 7th of May in 1945 by the Russians and most of the different formations in this corps probably died defending the city.
.H
.B Campaigns: Breslau (1945)

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What do you guys think?

[CBoehm]

ORIGINAL: capitan

This is my suggestion for the MIL

I like your description ...but wont this risk confusing a new player ei. if the 7-2 Berlin MIL represents the volksturm figting to defend the city ...why the hell can you build it contiously from start and send them fighting deep into the USSR ...

Perhaps a disclaimer should be added? **...MIL are generic units representing regular inf formations rushed into combat with only basic training and less inherent support weapons & motor transport ...**

[jesperpehrson]

ORIGINAL: CBoehm

ORIGINAL: capitan

This is my suggestion for the MIL

I like your description ...but wont this risk confusing a new player ei. if the 7-2 Berlin MIL represents the volksturm figting to defend the city ...why the hell can you build it contiously from start and send them fighting deep into the USSR ...

Perhaps a disclaimer should be added? **...MIL are generic units representing regular inf formations rushed into combat with only basic training and less inherent support weapons & motor transport ...**

Very good. I think I will snatch that line as it is

[jesperpehrson]

[2527] [Berlin Militia]
.T This unit symbolises all the different Militia, Landwehr and Volksturm troops that helped in the defense of Berlin.
.P Berlin was captured on the 2nd of May 1945 by the Russians and most of the different surviving formations in this corps probably surrendered with the fall of the city.
.H
.B Campaigns: Berlin (1945)
.H
.P **MIL are generic units representing regular infantry formations rushed into combat with only basic training and less inherent support weapons and motor transport**


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Steve could you process it and let us see what it looks like?

[jfk]

"Stuka" in the German language is the abbreviation for both "STUrzKAmpfflugzeug" and "STUrzKAmpfbomber" (refering to " Das waren die deutschen Stuka-Asse 1939 - 1945, 4th edition, Stuttgart 1984, Motorbuchverlag").
Bcause everyone is associating "STUKA" with the Ju 87, which was actually a divebomber, "Sturzkampfbomber" has a greater degree of fame.

Regards
jfk