Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Davidt
Need help on the BULGARIAN army writeups

Unfortunately it seems that the actual armies deployed by the bulgarians dont match with the pieces in MWIF. This goes for both the naming and the number of Corps. My guess is that the MWIF pieces for the Bulgarian I and II Corps are the Bulgarian 5th army and the 1. occupation corps. See link
http://www.vojska.net/eng/world-war-2/bulgaria/organization/1943/ for example. Also it seems that the Bulgarians actually did more fighting against the germans towards the end of the war than for the germans http://members.tripod.com/~marcin_w/index-bul.html. My concerne is this will be confusing to add in a game where the specific piece is an axis piece. (The same concern is valid for the Sofia Mil) 

I the absence of naming consistency i have decided to do a more generic description for the 2 Bulgarian infantry corps units instead of specifics for a given unit.

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[font="times new roman"]The Bulgarian Army (Infantry Corps I and II)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]There were strong pro-German tendencies in Bulgarian foreign policy at the start of the second world war. The driving force was the desire to regain the lands lost by Bulgaria, after the First World War.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]On march 1. 1941 Bulgaria acceded to the Axis Tri-Partite Treaty. At this time the mobilized Bulgarian armed landforces consisted of 16 infantry divisions, two cavalry divisions, one motorized brigade as well as special and service units.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]In April of 1941 Bulgaria was awarded Aegean and Vardarian Thrace and the entire Jugoslav Macedonia, as well as  and extreme south-eastern section of Serbia. Bulgaria also co-participated in the occupation of the remainder of Serbia (until September of 1944).[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]The Bulgarian government refused, despite heavy axis pressure, to commit its troops against the Soviet Union.  Bulgaria even, as the only axis country, allowed a Soviet embassy to operate for the entire duration of the conflict,[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Bulgaria declared war on the UK and the United states on December 13. 1941. [/font]


Let me hear what you think. Is this fine or can someone help me differentiate the units??

Regards
David

What you have both at the top and at the bottom would be ok by me. You could say:

The armies deployed by Bulgaria do not match precisely with the counters in WIF. In addition, Bulgaria switched sides towards the end of the war and therefore spent some of the war fighting with the Germans and some of it against the Germans.

You could then either include what you have already written and/or some operation details on the Bulgarian 5th Army and 1st Occupation Corps (using the combat units you mentioned - I know absolutely nothing about this).

I feel no compulsion to hide things from the players - WIF is a game and by necessity, it only approximates reality everywhere if you look closely enough. That's not to say that discrepancies should be emphasized in the unit writeups, but neither should they be hidden away as if we are embarrassed by them. WIF is as it is. We like it, and so will others - despite the odd blemishes.

[jesperpehrson]

PM sent to David but I agree with what Steve said here. Sometimes we need to approximate and as long as we are clear with what we are doing I see no harm.

[Froonp]

I feel no compulsion to hide things from the players - WIF is a game and by necessity, it only approximates reality everywhere if you look closely enough. That's not to say that discrepancies should be emphasized in the unit writeups, but neither should they be hidden away as if we are embarrassed by them. WIF is as it is. We like it, and so will others - despite the odd blemishes.

I agree with that.

[Jimm]

ORIGINAL: capitan

PM sent to David but I agree with what Steve said here. Sometimes we need to approximate and as long as we are clear with what we are doing I see no harm.

I think this will inevitibly be an issue we will have to sometimes have to be a bit vague on. I'm having some problems with Italians too, sometimes where what are marked as corps in the game appear to actually be divisions IRL; and furthermore were part of other corps which are also represented in the game.

In the end we've got to accept that the names and numbers on the units are there to add colour and interest to the game, and not get too hung up on it!

Jimm

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Jimm

ORIGINAL: capitan

PM sent to David but I agree with what Steve said here. Sometimes we need to approximate and as long as we are clear with what we are doing I see no harm.

I think this will inevitibly be an issue we will have to sometimes have to be a bit vague on. I'm having some problems with Italians too, sometimes where what are marked as corps in the game appear to actually be divisions IRL; and furthermore were part of other corps which are also represented in the game.

In the end we've got to accept that the names and numbers on the units are there to add colour and interest to the game, and not get too hung up on it!

Jimm

Yes

[jesperpehrson]

A pleasant surprise arrived in my mailbox today! A man called Adam has volounteered for the finnish units and sent me one finished write-up straight away. Thank you Adam for stepping up! Here is the screenshot of what he did (the missing word in the second paragraph is my fault and corrected in the original document now)

[grab]

I'm currently producing the writeups for the artillery, a/tk and AA guns. I have hit a wall trying to source information on the US 128mm AA gun. Can anyone point me in the right direction please.

cheers

Gary

[mlees]

ORIGINAL: grab

I'm currently producing the writeups for the artillery, a/tk and AA guns. I have hit a wall trying to source information on the US 128mm AA gun. Can anyone point me in the right direction please.

cheers

Gary

Shipboard: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_5-38_mk12.htm

Unfortunately, my google-fu is not up to the task.

I dunno if there were any of these mounts used ashore (although I suspect there may have been) ...still looking.

[mldtchdog]

ORIGINAL: Davidt

Need help on the BULGARIAN army writeups

Try here for the 1941 order of battle.

http://niehorster.orbat.com/032_bulgaria/_bu.htm

I find it to be a good starting place.

-Adam

[jesperpehrson]

Adam has finished the Finns and screenies will come later tonight! Good work Adam! Yesterday Helsinki, tomorrow Berne!

We will probably need to put some flesh into the "fictive" finnish ski-divisions, so if anyone have any good stories, details or what nots please speak your mind.

[jesperpehrson]

As promised I will post some of the screenshots

[jesperpehrson]

I forgot to have the cursor over the unit when taking this screenshot so the stats are not shown but this is still a very nice read!

[jesperpehrson]

Some US ART to follow

[jesperpehrson]

All very nice reads!

[jesperpehrson]

The last one for this this round. I would post another communist chinese unit but I do not have a good way to catch that large amount of text that is involved in Wosungs thorough and interesting reads. Maybe something for Steve to help me with? [:D]

[jesperpehrson]

Ah what the h*ck, I will post this ski division to see what you think and how we can expand on the "fictional" ski-divisions.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: capitan

The last one for this this round. I would post another communist chinese unit but I do not have a good way to catch that large amount of text that is involved in Wosungs thorough and interesting reads. Maybe something for Steve to help me with? [:D]

I use HyperSnap 6 which has worked wonderfully for me. I take 2 (or 3) screen shots to capture all the text and then cut the bottom text portion(s) out and paste it(them) on top of the first screen shot. The first screen shot needs to have enough room at the bottom to hold all the text.

[trees]

going way back to the question about the '128mm' US Heavy AA piece, don't discount the possibility that Harry simply put that spec on a counter included in WiF for a unit type the US never actually built....but could have.

[wosung]

apropos built,

I would love to see some production numbers in the write-ups for "equipment-counters" (arty, planes).

[CBoehm]

ORIGINAL: trees

going way back to the question about the '128mm' US Heavy AA piece, don't discount the possibility that Harry simply put that spec on a counter included in WiF for a unit type the US never actually built....but could have.

hmm at my guess he made a mistake ...and really meant the 120 AA gun spoken of here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/120_mm_M1_gun