Modifications to MWiF China Map portion

[Froonp]

While browsing the map, both real and MWiF's one, I saw something that I do not like.
It seems that the Burma Road, at least the part that is in Burma, is not well traced in MWiF [:(].
Look at the attached picture.
Top left : How MWiF has it now.
Top Right : As WiF FE has it.
We see by comparing them that MWiF does a good job in making the map the same :
The road starts from the northern "unfinished" railway, toward China.

Bottom left and Right are maps of the area that show the Burma Road.
And both show it starting from Lashio (the end point of the southern "unfinished" railway), toward China.

Well, what do you think about this ?

Are both bottom maps an error ?
If not, should MWiF has a wrong Burma Road, just for the pleasure of repeating the WiF FE map error ?

Opinions ?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp
While browsing the map, both real and MWiF's one, I saw something that I do not like.
It seems that the Burma Road, at least the part that is in Burma, is not well traced in MWiF [:(].
Look at the attached picture.
Top left : How MWiF has it now.
Top Right : As WiF FE has it.
We see by comparing them that MWiF does a good job in making the map the same :
The road starts from the northern "unfinished" railway, toward China.

Bottom left and Right are maps of the area that show the Burma Road.
And both show it starting from Lashio (the end point of the southern "unfinished" railway), toward China.

Well, what do you think about this ?

Are both bottom maps an error ?
If not, should MWiF has a wrong Burma Road, just for the pleasure of repeating the WiF FE map error ?

Opinions ?

Given the maps you have shown, I agree that it looks completely wrong on both the WIF FE and MWIF maps.

The road portion of the Burma Road should start from the end of the other/eastern rail line and extend due NE to the current MWIF rendering of the Burma Road - running into the hex contaiing the word Burma. The 3 hexes of the current MWIF Burma Road due west of that juncture should be removed.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

You could also label Lashio on the map since that was the rail head (apparently).

[wosung]

Good you re-checked the map, Patrice!

Not sure about the WIFFE rational, but perhaps by the 1130 solution they tried to capture both the Burma road (Mandalay-Lashio-Wanting-Kunming, built in 1938) and the Ledo road (Ledo-Myitkyina-Kunming, built from 1942? onwards and opened in 1945).

Perhaps one should think also about labeling Myitkyina (for it was THE key point for re-supplying China and therefore the main target of Stillwells Northern Burma campaign in 1944-45) and even Ledo (for it was the Western springboard for this offensive)

Sources: Barbara Tuchman, Stillwell.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 942-43.jpg

[wosung]

[wosung]

Somehow, the graphic didn't load...[:@]

But Ledo road was Ledo-Mytkyina-Bhamo and then perheps som sixty miles to the east straight to the Burma road.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: wosung

Somehow, the graphic didn't load...[:@]

But Ledo road was Ledo-Mytkyina-Bhamo and then perheps som sixty miles to the east straight to the Burma road.

I tried to fix the graphic but was unable.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

You could also label Lashio on the map since that was the rail head (apparently).

I did that [:D].
I also added Ledo (name only), in India, as it was the starting point of the Ledo Road (finished in jan 1945, that linked Ledo to Lashio).
I also added Imphal & Kohima, 2 famous WWII places on the Indian / Burmese Border.

[Froonp]

Given the maps you have shown, I agree that it looks completely wrong on both the WIF FE and MWIF maps.

The road portion of the Burma Road should start from the end of the other/eastern rail line and extend due NE to the current MWIF rendering of the Burma Road - running into the hex contaiing the word Burma. The 3 hexes of the current MWIF Burma Road due west of that juncture should be removed.

Feel free to look at it.
I did yesterday evening, and all the maps agree with the lower ones.

Perhaps, as Wosung said, ADG tried to show both the Burma & the Ledo Road, but I think personaly that they either did this for play balance reasons (make the Burma Road less easy to cut for the Japs), either they made a mistake. On the Pacific scaled maps, the difference is only 1 hex between both ways.

[Larry Smith]

On the subject of Nanchang, wasn't there a Soviet volunteer group located somewhere in this area. I remember reading about how the Soviet airgroup, flying SB-2's, staged a raid on one of the Japanese airbases around Taipei, on Taiwan. I can't recall the timing, nor can I remember how to get to the WWII history site where I read this, but if the Soviet group was in this area, and flew that mission prior to Nanchang falling, perhaps the Japanese were responding to a threat? That, or they wanted to threaten Changsha from another direction.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

China map has arrived. Here is the Burma road in an open state (green)

[Shannon V. OKeets]

And here it is closed (cream). I want to tone this color down somewhat. CWIF used silver but that was hard to see against clear hexes. I tried gray and that disappeared completely in the mountains.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Here's the portion of Indo-China that is done and southwestern China

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Southeastern China, including Formosa and the northern tip of the Philippines.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Moving northwards up the coast. Several of the lakes are missing their tips.

[Patrice, the river names are easier to read if they are against clear terrain background.]

Patrice shepherded the long discussion on: what the terrain in these hexes should be; where the rivers should flow; which cities shuold be included, and a slew of other details. The final result sure looks good to me. [:)]

Thank you [&o] to everyone who participated in the China map revision.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Continuing northwards. From Kaifeng to Peking to Port Arthur.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Moving inland - the north. Here be Communists.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Moving south. Here be Nationalists.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

9th and last in the series.

So you want to conquer China. Well I hope you brought enough rice and bullets.

[Neilster]

Green for open is logical but the white for the closed Burma Road doesn't seem quite right if open railways are almost the same colour and nearby. Another argument for changing the latter's colour perhaps [:D].

Except I just noticed the black railways in the zoomed out piccie. They look good. [:'(]

How about a bright red, orange or yellow? Purple? Some sort of warning colour.

Cheers, Neilster