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From "Carrier Strike" by Eric Hammel - Zenith Press

At about 0940 ([October 25, 1942], a Patrol-91 PBY piloted by Lt(jg) Warren Matthew discovered Rear Admiral Hiroaki Abe's sizable Vanguard Group, which was sailing ahead of the carrier arm of Nagumo's striking force. While the patrol bomber's radioman reported the position to all friendly bases eavesdropping on the search frequency, Matthew circled around to get into position to attack a battleship he incorrectly identified as the (sic) HIJMS Haruna (it was either the (sic) HIJMS Hiei or the (sic) HIJMS Kirishima, but it was definitely a battleship). Matthew's aggressive move was largely quixotic, for PBY's on daylight searches did not carry aerial torpedoes, a policy aimed at increasing their productive search ranges as well, perhaps, as obviating an attack such as the one Mathew decided to carry out with the only weapons he did have, a pair of 500-pound depth charges.

The glide-bombing approach was flawlessly executed, though the projectiles were hurled well short of the target. As soon as the depth charges were released from their shackles, Matthew pivoted his surprisingly nimble parasol winged patrol bomber into a tight escape turn and ran from the area. Two nimble F1M Pete observation float biplanes launched from the Kirishima bounced the Catalina well before it go clear, but they were beaten off by the PBY's gunners, who claimed credit for downing at least one F1M and damaging the other. The PBY was shot full of holes during the encounter, and it's port engine was damaged, but it returned to base in due course. Matthew's initial sighting report had reached friendly ears when first transmitted, but follow up reports describing course changes by Abe's surface force - a reaction to the PBY's presence - were never heard.

How come I haven't seen this in WitP??? [:D]
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As far as I know - yes, except I am uncertain if the game code would allow depth charges used to attack a surface ship. The rest does happen (except that the narrative is more like this "001001010010101110010100101010010101001010...". [:D]
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We ALL know that after you make an attack on a enemy vessel you hit the throttle and head AWAY from your target al fast and as low as possible while sideslipping using your rudder. TURNING AWAY from your target will only INCREASE your profile and the plane area that can be hit by enemy AA fire..... [:D][:D][;)][;)][;)]
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I have had a PBY plant a bomb on a Jap CV in some testing I was doing so it is possible for patrol planes to attack capitol ships
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That event is a bug and must be patched to prevent it from recurring. 
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How come I haven't seen this in WitP???

You haven't had this happen yet? You aren't properly utilizing your Mk1 JCYEAP* interface.





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We've all seen the patrol planes attack if that is what the original poster was refering to...

I think he was refering to the Petes being launched as a CAP.

I'm in favor of removing the plane class or type from the equation.

For example why classify a B-17 as a bomber or any plane as a fighter for that matter.

They are all planes and they can all engage in A2A combat (ie the Pete attacking the catalina or B-17's attacking Emilies.

They are all planes they can all drop bombs in some form or fashion (just a B-29 can drop alot more than a P-40)

All that really matters is that certain planes are better suited to flying CAP or launching City Attack missions than others...let the player decide what he wants to bomb with or fly cap with.
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ORIGINAL: treespider

We've all seen the patrol planes attack if that is what the original poster was refering to...

I think he was refering to the Petes being launched as a CAP.

I'm in favor of removing the plane class or type from the equation.

For example why classify a B-17 as a bomber or any plane as a fighter for that matter.

They are all planes and they can all engage in A2A combat (ie the Pete attacking the catalina or B-17's attacking Emilies.

They are all planes they can all drop bombs in some form or fashion (just a B-29 can drop alot more than a P-40)

All that really matters is that certain planes are better suited to flying CAP or launching City Attack missions than others...let the player decide what he wants to bomb with or fly cap with.

I really like this idea [:D]. fighter sweep with B17's anyone [;)]
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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
ORIGINAL: treespider

We've all seen the patrol planes attack if that is what the original poster was refering to...

I think he was refering to the Petes being launched as a CAP.

I'm in favor of removing the plane class or type from the equation.

For example why classify a B-17 as a bomber or any plane as a fighter for that matter.

They are all planes and they can all engage in A2A combat (ie the Pete attacking the catalina or B-17's attacking Emilies.

They are all planes they can all drop bombs in some form or fashion (just a B-29 can drop alot more than a P-40)

All that really matters is that certain planes are better suited to flying CAP or launching City Attack missions than others...let the player decide what he wants to bomb with or fly cap with.

I really like this idea [:D]. fighter sweep with B17's anyone [;)]

Uh...reminds me about one online-flight sim (might been Warbirds) where B-17 AI gunners were *bit* too good... B-17 diving into fighter "furball" and shooting them down left and right was called "Death Star"...[:D][:D]. They had to patch that quite quickly !!
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We all know ANYTHING is possible in WitP.  Just because it hasn't happened YET, doesn't mean it isn't coded to eventually occur.
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ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
ORIGINAL: treespider

We've all seen the patrol planes attack if that is what the original poster was refering to...

I think he was refering to the Petes being launched as a CAP.

I'm in favor of removing the plane class or type from the equation.

For example why classify a B-17 as a bomber or any plane as a fighter for that matter.

They are all planes and they can all engage in A2A combat (ie the Pete attacking the catalina or B-17's attacking Emilies.

They are all planes they can all drop bombs in some form or fashion (just a B-29 can drop alot more than a P-40)

All that really matters is that certain planes are better suited to flying CAP or launching City Attack missions than others...let the player decide what he wants to bomb with or fly cap with.

I really like this idea [:D]. fighter sweep with B17's anyone [;)]
My thoughts exactly. [:D]

You thought the zeros were having trouble before, just wait until my LRCAP of 100 B-17s shows up.
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I'd like to know more about what that PBY pilot was thinking. How do you damage a BB with 500lbs of depth charge? [&:] The absolute best fantasy case I can imagine is you get a near miss near the rudder. Otherwise it's a futile exercise.
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ORIGINAL: niceguy2005

ORIGINAL: Rob Brennan UK
ORIGINAL: treespider

We've all seen the patrol planes attack if that is what the original poster was refering to...

I think he was refering to the Petes being launched as a CAP.

I'm in favor of removing the plane class or type from the equation.

For example why classify a B-17 as a bomber or any plane as a fighter for that matter.

They are all planes and they can all engage in A2A combat (ie the Pete attacking the catalina or B-17's attacking Emilies.

They are all planes they can all drop bombs in some form or fashion (just a B-29 can drop alot more than a P-40)

All that really matters is that certain planes are better suited to flying CAP or launching City Attack missions than others...let the player decide what he wants to bomb with or fly cap with.

I really like this idea [:D]. fighter sweep with B17's anyone [;)]
My thoughts exactly. [:D]

You thought the zeros were having trouble before, just wait until my LRCAP of 100 B-17s shows up.

Yes, my LB30's knock down a lot more zeros than my P39's do [:D]
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Not really a depth charge going off under your keel can ruin your whole day. PT boat use to do this to F-Lighter in the Med. it would break their backs. It's much the same as sinking a sub you crush the hull, nice distorted prop shafts, bent rudder post, sprung plates, etc.

I like the idea of the flying boats being attacked by the float planes, can you see a Emily being attacked by a bunch of Kingfishers. [:D]
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We all know ANYTHING is possible in WitP.

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We've all seen the patrol planes attack if that is what the original poster was refering to...

I think he was refering to the Petes being launched as a CAP.

I'm in favor of removing the plane class or type from the equation.

For example why classify a B-17 as a bomber or any plane as a fighter for that matter.

They are all planes and they can all engage in A2A combat (ie the Pete attacking the catalina or B-17's attacking Emilies.

They are all planes they can all drop bombs in some form or fashion (just a B-29 can drop alot more than a P-40)

All that really matters is that certain planes are better suited to flying CAP or launching City Attack missions than others...let the player decide what he wants to bomb with or fly cap with.


agreed...SBDs were used as "emergency CAP" in the early days against bombers.
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A Kingfisher took out a Zeke, either off Lingayen, IwoJima or Okinawa (Just finished the last 2 volumes of Morisons history, cant remember which book it was.)
 
Plus FL LT Archer of the RAAF originally disproved the Zeke Invincibility when he took down a Zeke over Buna in his Wirraway!
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Dauntless, Hudson, B-17 (Coastal Command), He 111, Pete, Jakes, Il-2 were all used at some time to fly CAP over some targets.

And it was routine for patrol aircraft to engage enemy aircraft.

I agree with the idea that all AC should be allowed to fly all missions, even if they will be near useless in some.

In desesperate times, Fw 190 and Bf 109 were used to evacuate troops...

On a side note, it will also be a good idea that all missions will be available day and night... Especially naval search and transport at night.
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I'd like to know more about what that PBY pilot was thinking. How do you damage a BB with 500lbs of depth charge? [&:] The absolute best fantasy case I can imagine is you get a near miss near the rudder. Otherwise it's a futile exercise.

Maybe he was thinking about running for president one day and needed a medal to show off....
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My thoughts exactly. [:D]

You thought the zeros were having trouble before, just wait until my LRCAP of 100 B-17s shows up.

There was the YB-40. It was essentially a heavily armed gunship version of the B-17 for escort duties. All the extra guns and ammo made it slower than the production B-17, so the idea was dropped. The only idea from the project that was retained was the chin turret which went into the G.

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