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[Great White]

2. It is a similar rule in the CFL.

Brockleigh is correct on this rule as it applies to the CFL for balls caught behind the line of scrimmage.

Ineligible Receivers (Rule 6, section 4, Article 5). Changed in the CFL in 2004


If a forward pass is caught behind or on the line of scrimmage, ineligible players may legal block downfield before the pass is caught.

[font="Courier New"]So then, if I understand you right, the difference is The NFL does by where the QB is and behind and The CFL now does behind The LOS or On The LOS.[/font]

Then if a WR is the 8-person on the LOS, then he technology becomes a OLman? I mean how can he not be an "ineligible receiver downfield"? Is it because he is now a OLman and did not declare himself as a OLman as an Eligible Receiver?

drive him downfield where, if he loses the block, he must remain stationary.

[font="Courier New"]If I understood what he or who ever is saying, than that cannot be right, probably a mistake. Once the ball is released and in the hands of any player that player consider a ball carrier, thus just a running play. I have never ever seen a OLman receive a flag for that.[/font]

Although no distance requirement is stipulated in this second rule, it is typically interpreted to be no more than a yard or two beyond the line of scrimmage.

[font="Courier New"]This is BLANKED-UP! The NFL needs to make every rule black and white and not interpretions (sp?)! If this is the way some of the rules are done, it sure seems like based on these exchanges, no wonder referees get so much wrong and always justifiedly (sp?) complained about.[/font]

It may be of interest to you to know that the NCAA rule book stipulates no more than 3 yards for the same situation. So if you are watching a college game, you may see a little more leeway than you see in the NFL.

[font="Courier New"]Technically, that is not right, it states that no OLman can move past one-yard. However; once contact/block is made (within that one-yard) and only if the contact is made the OLman has three-yards to move and release the contact/block. Again, if you do not engage in a block with in that 1-yard, you (the OLman) cannot advance that 3-yards; because it is given so you can disconnect.

I go back to my previous opinion, only would the stupid NCAA (BS Championship System and etc) need to give that 3-yards.

These exchanges also bring-up one of my great ideas for broadcast teams of sporting events (especially FootBall), have one of the members be a current referee. Of course, that would have to increase the time of games, for segments to explain rules after they have or have not been called. Also, increase to a fourth silent member until needed member. Silent until needed is the big deal, because the leagues would have to give those (veteran only) referees the lee way to talk with freedom about The NFL. Those changes would be great for me, I want more FootBall (even if it is just explanation of rules as they happen).[/font]

[Marauders]

So then, if I understand you right, the difference is The NFL does by where the QB is and behind and The CFL now does behind The LOS or On The LOS.

The CFL allows linemen to go downfield on screen passes.

Then if a WR is the 8-person on the LOS, then he technology becomes a OLman? I mean how can he not be an "ineligible receiver downfield"? Is it because he is now a OLman and did not declare himself as a OLman as an Eligible Receiver?

In both American and Canadian rules, there are only allowed seven players on the line of scrimmage. There are five linemen, who are ineligible, and two ends that are eligible receivers. All other players, other than the quarterback if taking a snap under center, must be one yard from the line of scrimmage at the time of the snap.

If I understood what he or who ever is saying, than that cannot be right, probably a mistake. Once the ball is released and in the hands of any player that player consider a ball carrier, thus just a running play. I have never ever seen a OLman receive a flag for that.

All it means is that a player may sustain his block. If he loses the block and is downfield, he may not re-engage or hinder a defender until the ball has been passed.

Technically, that is not right, it states that no OLman can move past one-yard. However; once contact/block is made (within that one-yard) and only if the contact is made the OLman has three-yards to move and release the contact/block. Again, if you do not engage in a block with in that 1-yard, you (the OLman) cannot advance that 3-yards; because it is given so you can disconnect.

That is correct, and that is what the three yard reference was to.

- Marauders

[Brockleigh]

As Marauders has mentioned the Seven Men On The Line Of Scrimmage rule, and folks who watched the CFL in the Late 80's - Early 90's can attest to this, sometyhing I'd like to play around with is Adam Rita's Ninja formation, where he had the Offensive Guards lined up in the backfield.

I have no idea how he got around the Ineligible Receiver rules with that, but practically, I remember the entire experiment being a failure. Still, it'd be kind fun to play with.

[Great White]

ORIGINAL: Marauders

So then, if I understand you right, the difference is The NFL does by where the QB is and behind and The CFL now does behind The LOS or On The LOS.

The CFL allows linemen to go downfield on screen passes.

Then if a WR is the 8-person on the LOS, then he technology becomes a OLman? I mean how can he not be an "ineligible receiver downfield"? Is it because he is now a OLman and did not declare himself as a OLman as an Eligible Receiver?

In both American and Canadian rules, there are only allowed seven players on the line of scrimmage. There are five linemen, who are ineligible, and two ends that are eligible receivers. All other players, other than the quarterback if taking a snap under center, must be one yard from the line of scrimmage at the time of the snap.

[font="Courier New"]You missed it that was why I posted those questions.[/font]

If I understood what he or who ever is saying, than that cannot be right, probably a mistake. Once the ball is released and in the hands of any player that player consider a ball carrier, thus just a running play. I have never ever seen a OLman receive a flag for that.

All it means is that a player may sustain his block. If he loses the block and is downfield, he may not re-engage or hinder a defender until the ball has been passed.

[font="Courier New"]My mistake then.[/font]

Technically, that is not right, it states that no OLman can move past one-yard. However; once contact/block is made (within that one-yard) and only if the contact is made the OLman has three-yards to move and release the contact/block. Again, if you do not engage in a block with in that 1-yard, you (the OLman) cannot advance that 3-yards; because it is given so you can disconnect.

That is correct, and that is what the three yard reference was to.

- Marauders

[Great White]

ORIGINAL: Brockleigh

As Marauders has mentioned the Seven Men On The Line Of Scrimmage rule,

[font="Courier New"]As I have already posted I know that rule, that was mistaken assumption by Marauders.[/font]

and folks who watched the CFL in the Late 80's - Early 90's can attest to this, sometyhing I'd like to play around with is Adam Rita's Ninja formation, where he had the Offensive Guards lined up in the backfield.

I have no idea how he got around the Ineligible Receiver rules with that, but practically, I remember the entire experiment being a failure. Still, it'd be kind fun to play with.

[font="Courier New"]Well, in The USAn rules that is completely legal, only if the OGs are moved to outside the OL and then moved to behind the OL; while receivers move-up to maintain the 7-man line.

I invented the formation (never saw it until Spurior <sp?> got into coaching) the OTs move down the LOS and noone lines up next to the OGs. I have a ton of different versions and plays, but HBs always line-up behind the OLmen nearer to The Sideline.

Did you notice the new thing in The NFL? Moving LOT, LOG to Right Side of The OC or vise versa; Univ. Miami Start that two-seasons ago. and it legal as long as the TEs take their place and there still are only 7-players on The LOS.

Too bad FB Gaming industry has not caught on yet. Badly needed feature of any Play editor.[/font]

[Tbird]

That's a nice play
I'm gonna steel it

[Great White]

[font="courier new"]Tbird[/font][font="courier new"],[/font]
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[font="courier new"]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;LOL! Not like I could find a way&nbsp;plays can be protected (copyright or patiented or etc) and Suprior and other coaches have already done it.[/font]
[font="courier new"]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Then there is the thing that you currently would have to coach a Real FootBall Team, no ability to do in FB Gaming Industry.[/font]

[dreamtheatervt]

Thanks for the complement Tbird. I plan on submitting my playbooks as I complete them.

[Great White]

Marauders,
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1. I don't believe the computer checks plays for this.&nbsp; As the rule varies from league to league even in one style of play, it would be really hard to police.&nbsp; This is the kind of thing that commissioners usually check in playbooks from time to time.&nbsp; For people playing against the CPU, it is something that should be known and not cheated on.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [font="courier new"]Does The MF&nbsp;have&nbsp;The Ineligible Player Downfield rule? If so, is there a yardage allowance or is it OLman past The LOS? If so, is&nbsp;The FM&nbsp;Ineligible Player Downfield rule simulating or exactly the same as the below rules? Any answer here is not going disappoint me[:)]; although,&nbsp;I would get my Vegan Cake to, if there is no yardage allowance, in all League's versions.[;)][/font]
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[font="courier new"]1. The NFL-once a OLman&nbsp;passes 2-yards&nbsp;then it is a pentality, [/font]
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[font="courier new"]2. The NCAA/Div. 1A-once a OLman&nbsp;passes 1-yard (while not blocking)&nbsp;then it is a pentality or The OLman&nbsp;passes 4-yard (while not blocking)&nbsp;then it is a pentality and [/font]
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[font="courier new"]3. CFL-During Laterals&nbsp;and Backward Passes, if a OLman&nbsp;passes 2-yards&nbsp;then it is a pentality; however, no such pentality for Forward Passes.[/font]

[Marauders]

Unbalanced lines have been used in football for a century.&nbsp; They are nothing new.
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Football plays, like recipes and movie titles, cannot be copyrighted.

[Great White]

[font="Courier New"]If you read my post right this time, you will understand that no one had done those formations before Univ. of Miami; thus they are not just simply unbalanced lines. Unbalanced lines do not include formations where TE or FBs are next to either one of the OGs or OC.[/font]

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[/font][font="courier new"]Did you notice the new thing in The NFL[/font]?[font="courier new"] Moving LOT, LOG to Right Side of The OC or vise versa; Univ. Miami Start that two-seasons ago and it is legal as long as the TEs take their place and there still are only 7-players on The LOS.

Too bad FB Gaming industry has not caught on yet. Badly needed feature of any Play editor.

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[firebirds]

I beg to differ on a couple of points unless something has changed reciently in American High School, NCAA and the NFL that I'm unaware of.&nbsp; I understand the "7&nbsp;man rule" to be that there must be a minimum of 7&nbsp;players on the LOS, not a maximum.&nbsp; You are able to have more than 7 players on the&nbsp;LOS.&nbsp; Regarding eligible receivers, players are first deemed eligible by position then&nbsp;by number.&nbsp; In a conventional&nbsp;7 player LOS formation the two outside (uncovered) players are eligible receivers by position while the 5 interior linemen (covered) are ineligible receivers.&nbsp; The 2 outside players must also wear a jersey number&nbsp;from 1-49 and 80-89.&nbsp;&nbsp;In this conventional formation the 4 remaining players&nbsp;in the backfield (usually QB, RB's slot/flanker) are also eligible and must&nbsp;wear a jersey in the number ranges&nbsp;above.&nbsp; If a player intends to line up in the position of an eligible receiver yet does not have a jersey within the number ranges given above the player must report to the head official and state&nbsp;his eligibility&nbsp;by&nbsp;position and make note of his jersey number.&nbsp; You could put 8, 9 or 10 players on the LOS&nbsp;and the same rules of position and jersey number apply, the 2 outside&nbsp;(uncovered) players are the only ones eligible by position&nbsp;on the LOS plus those lined up off the LOS.&nbsp; I have never heard a penality of "Too many men on the LOS".&nbsp;&nbsp;Usually what happens is a&nbsp;wide out&nbsp;lines up on the LOS&nbsp;when he should be off the LOS&nbsp;thus he is&nbsp;covering the TE.&nbsp; The TE, even though eligible by number is ineligible by position because the wide out is on the LOS, goes out for a pass and causes the ineligible player down field penality.&nbsp; The other thing that happens is the wide out is supposed to be the 7th player on the LOS&nbsp;yet lines up off the LOS thus only putting 6 players on the LOS.&nbsp; This&nbsp;is an illegal procedure type penality.&nbsp;&nbsp;Unbalanced lines are not as common as they used to be but they&nbsp;to are subject to the same rules.&nbsp; During my officiating days I was&nbsp;a line judge.&nbsp; Every play I worked with the linesman in counting players on LOS and knowing who the eligible receivers were prior to the snap both by position and by number in addition to calling ineligible receiver down field (there were other responsibilities of course).&nbsp; During my coaching days I had a formation called "The Lonesome Polecat" where my center was&nbsp;an eligible receiver by position&nbsp;and&nbsp;by number after reporting to the ref.&nbsp;&nbsp;The remaining 6 players lined up split out to the left on the LOS.&nbsp; I had 2 wide outs split wide right off the LOS and my other wide out directly behind the other 6 players on the LOS.&nbsp; My QB was in shot gun formation.&nbsp; We had 6 plays out of this formation.&nbsp; The QB would read the defense and&nbsp;call the appropriate play via hand signals.&nbsp; This formation requires&nbsp;knowledge of&nbsp;all the LOS/eligible receiver rules, including the one about the maximum distance a player may be split out from the ball.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

[Great White]

[font="courier new"]firebirds[/font][font="courier new"],[/font]
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[font="courier new"]           I do not have enough time to post about every point to made (let alone read them all) MIAMI DOLPHINS KICKING SOME ASS! YES! The NFL on.[/font]
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[font="courier new"]           Hopefully, I understand every point I read in your post and realize I have no idea how Canadian rule is, as  I reply to them in my future posts, that follow. In all USAn FootBall Levels ONLY ALLOWED Two-Extra Players (including the necessary 5-OLmen) on THE LOS (7-men on LOS). Plus, MUST be one on each side of the OL. You can make those ONLY ALLOWED Two-Extra Players, any player you like, as long as if they do not

wear a jersey number from 1-49 and 80-89.

, then the referee must be notified, for head referee to notify everyone (fans, Defense and referees). Not a recent rule change, at most 60-year rule.[/font]

       

[firebirds]

Wow is my face red. I couldn't let go of this without further research. I just found a snipit on line that says, in effect, that in the NFL you must have 7 and no more than 7 players on the LOS. Maybe it is just the NFL, in the US, and not high school or the NCAA. I'll keep looking though.

[Great White]

[font="Courier New"]firebirds,

No problem; we are all human and all make mistakes (I make a ton; appreciate your humility).

Do not waste your time and trust me, it is there and only USAn leagues/associations without it play with less players. In most cases, only less player required maximumly on The LOS, ARena and Flag FootBall.[/font]