Andy Mac v PZB ....The Allies Fight Back

[Andy Mac]

I have about 15,000 all in I think LBA and Carrier

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I have about 15,000 all in I think LBA and Carrier

15000 pilots or 15000 fighters?

Don't know if i want to compare to PzB - that might be considered "spying"... (need smiley of blindfold guy against a wall, smoking a cigarette... [:D])

EDIT: i am not sure how one would even go about comparing pilot training, since the total numbers would depend on how many survived getting shot down. I.e., if PzB produced 29000 pilots, and lost 19000, and you produced 20000 pilots and lost 5000... (made up numbers)... you could outnumber him in pilots without outtraining him. i suspect this is NOT the case, but it would be a difficult and time consuming process to figure out who trained more, i think.

Total fighter production would be rather easier, of course...

[ChezDaJez]

Yes, well this is the problem that can develop in WITP - and it appears HAS developed in this particular game: Japan can outproduce the Allies in fighters and in trained pilots.

Aircraft, yes... trained pilots, no because the Allies have the ability to train pilots in the same manner as the Japanese. Andy chooses not to train his pilots that way and I respect that. But in general, the USAAF gets far more than the 30 trained IJAAF/IJNAAF pilots per month that the Japanese do so some on-map training is a must for the Japanese if he wishes to last through 1944. Now the USN pilot issue is a different animal. I agree with Andy here.... it is too low.

As to the earlier posts concerning the number of pilots the USAAF trained, I did some digging with the Air Force Historical Studies Office and found an article entitled "Training to Fly: Military Flight Training, 1907 to 1945." It is available as a PDF download but be advised it is a very big file (700mg+). It can be found here: USAF Flight Training

It is 690 pages and focuses mainly on the build up to and the training during WWII. Very comprehensive but with very few tables so you have to dig the data out. Very interesting reading, especially regarding the quality of that training. Here's an excerpt from a report by the 2nd Air Force in the summer of 1943:

"Not only is the Second Air Force require to take co-pilots and give them a very short transition period to first pilots, but all deficiencies in all crew members between training and combat must be made up by the Second Air Force... Likewise, the crew training problem is further aggravated by the fact that very often aerial gunners assigned to the Second Air Force have never fired guns in the air, radio operators have never operated a radio set in a B-17 or B-24, either on the ground or in the air, and aerial engineers have had no practical maintenance experience on a B-17 or B-24. At times, the situation has become so acute that individual crew members must be trained by the Second Air Force from available basic personnel."

As to pilot training, it basically says that between 1 July 1939 and 31 August 1945, 193,440 pilots graduated from Advanced Training with 74,000 of these pilots graduating in 1944 alone. Of those, 108,000 graduated from transition (operational/replacement airgroups) training between 1942 and 1945 and were made available for combat duty. Most of the others were assigned to instructor or bombadier/navigator duties, washed out, or were female.

60% percent of those graduating from transition training were trained as multi-engine bomber pilots. (Interesting note: of the 4 multi-engine training schools operating in 1942, only 1 had multi-engine aircraft assigned!) That leaves 43,200 pilots trained for single-egine aircraft of all types including recon, observation, dive bomber, fighter, fighter-bomber, etc between 1 January 1942 and 312 August 1945, a period of 44 months.

Breaking it down further yields a single-engine combat pilot monthly graduation rate of approx 982. Assuming the Pacific theater received 30% of these, that yields about 295 pilots per month. Now I don't know how many were assigned to fighter or fighter bomber duties but you can see that the numbers are not as great as one would think.

Anyways, food for thought. Not intending to start a debate or flame war.

Chez

[rtrapasso]

Aircraft, yes... trained pilots, no because the Allies have the ability to train pilots in the same manner as the Japanese.

Not in my experience. The Japanese can bomb the more-or-less-defenseless Chinese units for practice *almost* from day 1. They can expand so that the leave dot bases and bomb those. Not until relatively late in the game does the Allied player get the chance to bomb "dot" bases that can't be defended by LRCAP, etc.

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

Yes, well this is the problem that can develop in WITP - and it appears HAS developed in this particular game: Japan can outproduce the Allies in fighters and in trained pilots.

Aircraft, yes... trained pilots, no because the Allies have the ability to train pilots in the same manner as the Japanese. Andy chooses not to train his pilots that way and I respect that. But in general, the USAAF gets far more than the 30 trained IJAAF/IJNAAF pilots per month that the Japanese do so some on-map training is a must for the Japanese if he wishes to last through 1944. Now the USN pilot issue is a different animal. I agree with Andy here.... it is too low.

As to the earlier posts concerning the number of pilots the USAAF trained, I did some digging with the Air Force Historical Studies Office and found an article entitled "Training to Fly: Military Flight Training, 1907 to 1945." It is available as a PDF download but be advised it is a very big file (700mg+). It can be found here: USAF Flight Training

It is 690 pages and focuses mainly on the build up to and the training during WWII. Very comprehensive but with very few tables so you have to dig the data out. Very interesting reading, especially regarding the quality of that training. Here's an excerpt from a report by the 2nd Air Force in the summer of 1943:

"Not only is the Second Air Force require to take co-pilots and give them a very short transition period to first pilots, but all deficiencies in all crew members between training and combat must be made up by the Second Air Force... Likewise, the crew training problem is further aggravated by the fact that very often aerial gunners assigned to the Second Air Force have never fired guns in the air, radio operators have never operated a radio set in a B-17 or B-24, either on the ground or in the air, and aerial engineers have had no practical maintenance experience on a B-17 or B-24. At times, the situation has become so acute that individual crew members must be trained by the Second Air Force from available basic personnel."

As to pilot training, it basically says that between 1 July 1939 and 31 August 1945, 193,440 pilots graduated from Advanced Training with 74,000 of these pilots graduating in 1944 alone. Of those, 108,000 graduated from transition (operational/replacement airgroups) training between 1942 and 1945 and were made available for combat duty. Most of the others were assigned to instructor or bombadier/navigator duties, washed out, or were female.

60% percent of those graduating from transition training were trained as multi-engine bomber pilots. (Interesting note: of the 4 multi-engine training schools operating in 1942, only 1 had multi-engine aircraft assigned!) That leaves 43,200 pilots trained for single-egine aircraft of all types including recon, observation, dive bomber, fighter, fighter-bomber, etc between 1 January 1942 and 312 August 1945, a period of 44 months.

Breaking it down further yields a single-engine combat pilot monthly graduation rate of approx 982. Assuming the Pacific theater received 30% of these, that yields about 295 pilots per month. Now I don't know how many were assigned to fighter or fighter bomber duties but you can see that the numbers are not as great as one would think.

Anyways, food for thought. Not intending to start a debate or flame war.

Chez

These raw numbers correspond pretty well to the USAAF Statistical review that i referenced. i am not sure why you exclude multi-engined aircraft from the pacific as they were certainly used there by the USAAF, although i am sure the bulk of them went to Europe. AFAIK, all of the B-29s went to PTO/CIM, not Europe whch would be excluded by excluding non-single engine aircraft. Also, large number of multi-engine transports were used to supply China (which would be excluded by removing multi-engine types).

But the USAAF statistical review says a total of 80744 aircrew (i.e. - crew for 1 aircraft of the particular type if we accept Timtom's idea, which i think is correct) were produced in 33 months, an average of 2446.8 per month (this included co-pilots which are not considering as pilots for purposes of WITP). If we include HBs/ VHBs at 33% to WITP theaters, that is 807/month in Dec 42 - Aug 45 (note the first year of the war was not included in their table for some reason). Using 30% gives 735 pilots per month. WITP does not (of course) differentiate between single- and multi-engine pilot types.

However, 500 per month seems a "reasonable" compromise for USAAF as we average in the early part of the war. 200 per month for the Navy/USMC does not seem reasonable, however.

Please note, i am not trying to figure out how many FIGHTER pilots went to WITP-land, but how many TOTAL pilots (since the game does not differentiate.)

[ChezDaJez]

Not in my experience.

Nor in mine as a Japanese player because I try not to use on-map training. The only time I do is to soften up a target that is on my list of "things to elminate." I'll use my lowest exp units to do so, assuking their is no air opposition.

So far in my game with Andy (we are in Sep 42), my pilot exp remains fairly high but that is primarily because we have not had that much air-air combat during the past few game months. However, this lull may be ending as Andy is starting to bomb some of my airfields on a regular basis.

One note... My pilot exp levels have been decreasing slowly every month simply due to ops losses. I'm losing 3-5 pilots per day just through operational losses. Granted most of these are transport and patrol pilots, but they are preventing me from building a pool of trained pilots to replace ops or combat losses in my fighters and bombers. Once Andy begins his offensive(s), I will be hard pressed to maintain any semblance of pilot experience without resorting to on-map training.

I will eventually be forced to use it or concede the air to him. And that would spell defeat on a very rapid basis. Even on-map training of the magnitude that PzB uses isn't enough to delay, let alone stop, the allied advance, Granted, PzB has occasionally inflicted some telling losses on Andy's air forces, but he cannot stop them from coming.

Anyways,

Chez

[rtrapasso]

Nor in mine as a Japanese player because I try not to use on-map training.

My hat is doffed to you, sir... [&o] [&o] [&o] i haven't seen restraint this from most players (in reading over AARs, etc.)

[ChezDaJez]

Please note, i am not trying to figure out how many FIGHTER pilots went to WITP-land, but how many TOTAL pilots (since the game does not differentiate.)

Didn't mean to exclude the multi-engine pilots, I just focused on single-engine pilots.

60% of the 108000 pilots graduating from transition training were assigned to multi-engine units (note...not just bombers but transport, patrol, etc...), that yields 64800 pilots (includes copilots) trained for multi-engine duty.

If we assume 33% were sent to the Pacific, that gives a figure of 21384 during a 44 month period or an average of 486 multi-engine pilots per month.

Taking a look at it another way... 108000 pilots graduate transition training during a 44 month period (1 Jan 42 - 31 Aug 45). 33% of those are sent to the Pacific for a total of 35640 pilots. The majority of those should become available during 1944 (33% of 74000 trained = 24400). But as WitP doesn't provide for anything other than an average, it would yield an average of 810 pilots per month. Call it closer to 750 a month to account for any personnel issues. That would be a reasonable rate I think (though as a Japanese player, I would argue that there shouldn't be any increases until the Japanese pilot program is fixed also!!!)

Chez

[ChezDaJez]

My hat is doffed to you, sir...

Thank you, sir, but it is undeserving. I'm sure there are or will be other things I do that aren't so gallant (now where did I put that bombardment TF?... oh, yeah, its sitting in port, licking its wounds).

BTW, if and when I do use on-map pilot training, I will be sure to assign the units to that theater of ops... that's another thing I refuse to do... base units in a theater they are not assigned to.

Nice to have a discussion with no yelling or insults [&o]

Chez

[rtrapasso]

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez

My hat is doffed to you, sir...

Thank you, sir, but it is undeserving. I'm sure there are or will be other things I do that aren't so gallant (now where did I put that bombardment TF?... oh, yeah, its sitting in port, licking its wounds).

BTW, if and when I do use on-map pilot training, I will be sure to assign the units to that theater of ops... that's another thing I refuse to do... base units in a theater they are not assigned to.

Nice to have a discussion with no yelling or insults [&o]

Chez

Thanks again!

WITP per Matrix/3x5 is (i think) trying to make a balanced game.

RHS/CHS are supposed to try to make a realistic simulation rather than a balanced game if i understand it. i could be wrong. If they are sticking as a game rather than trying to create more of a sim - then my comments hold no weight about how many pilots should be showing up.

[Andy Mac]

OK the first of the trio goes down Khota is cleared of enemy troops my forces will begin to consolidate

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/07/44

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TF 17 encounters mine field at Kagoshima (58,43)

Japanese Ships
MSW Rikusen Maru
MSW Kaiyo Maru #1
MSW Bisan Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #5
MSW Toshi Maru #2
MSW Toshi Maru #1
MSW Toroshima Maru

Allied Ships
SS Blackfin, and is sunk

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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 124
N1K1-J George x 75
D4Y Judy x 9
B7A Grace x 34
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 96
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 69

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 252

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 309
J2M Jack x 27
D4Y Judy x 63
B5N Kate x 27
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 33

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 294

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 18

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x B7A Grace bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 26

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
J2M Jack x 27
B6N Jill x 3
P1Y Frances x 52
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 76
Ki-46-III Dinah x 5

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 95

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
P-47D Thunderbolt x 18


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 15


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 30

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 10
Spitfire VIII x 8


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 5
PB4Y Liberator x 6


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 43,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 23
B7A Grace x 56
Ki-102a Randy x 10

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 35th Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,49


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 34


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 26th Special Base Force, at 23,44


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 5
P-40N Warhawk x 65


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 30,56


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 25
B-25J Mitchell x 36


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC PC-56
PC PC-54, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PC PC-130, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
PC Nichi Maru #1
PC PC-132, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Ground combat at Georgetown

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7832 troops, 94 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 138

Defending force 1164 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 31

Allied max assault: 234 - adjusted assault: 100

Japanese max defense: 26 - adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 14 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Mersing

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 17677 troops, 140 guns, 210 vehicles, Assault Value = 413

Defending force 2051 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 12

Allied max assault: 720 - adjusted assault: 1053

Japanese max defense: 6 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 1053 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3586 troops, 0 guns, 169 vehicles, Assault Value = 104

Defending force 1070 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Allied max assault: 172 - adjusted assault: 164

Japanese max defense: 6 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 164 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
2119 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[jolly_pillager]

I won't use it in my game vs. wneumann...we'll see what happens to my aircrew after a year or two without.

***EDIT***

This is in response to the on-map pilot training discussion above [:'(]

[Andy Mac]

Heheh I never ban my opponents from using it I just dont do it myself and reserve the right to come to the forum and snivel and whine about it and of course pretedn I have the moral high ground all the time putting 400 a/c on a lvl 4 airbase........[:D][:D][:D][:D]
 
OK time is moving on Malacca has been cleared my subs following Speedy's advice are sinking a few tankers but to be honest I think its to little to late.
 
My forces are congregating ready for the show down 2 - 3 weeks before the amphibs are ready to load at pearl in the meantime resupply continues and I am transferring more troops to Malaya.
 
I have decided to try and pick off a few HK's so a 3 Carrier TF is heading north to try and pick em off .
 
 

[Speedysteve]

Glad I could help Andy. As mentioned the key is moving them and keeping an eye on things. Sounds simple I know[;)]

[Nemo121]

Heheh I never ban my opponents from using it I just dont do it myself and reserve the right to come to the forum and snivel and whine about it and of course pretedn I have the moral high ground all the time putting 400 a/c on a lvl 4 airbase........[:D][:D][:D][:D]

 
LOL!

[Andy Mac]

A few postings to put up I am a few days behind so rapid fire posting for a while

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/08/44

Bugger !!!! these HK groups will need to be dealt with I have a plan !!!

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Sub attack at 48,48

Japanese Ships
PC Oki
PC Ch 14
PG Daido Maru
PC PC-51
PC Shonan
PC Wakamiya
PC Mutsure

Allied Ships
SS Spot, hits 3

My bombers are bombing Singers now I have prepared for this by shipping in lots of supplies the next wave is going in with 100k more


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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 23


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
174 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 44

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
P-40N Warhawk x 27


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on 26th Special Base Force, at 23,44


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
F6F Hellcat x 5
Liberator VI x 6
Beaufighter VIC x 16
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
P-40N Warhawk x 67
P-38J Lightning x 11
B-25J Mitchell x 100
B-24J Liberator x 34


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:

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Time to kill some pests !!!!

Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84-Ia Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 27
B-25J Mitchell x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84-Ia Frank: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 8 destroyed
B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PC PC-56, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PC Nichi Maru #1, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
P-47D Thunderbolt x 18


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 18th/A Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses


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Ground combat at Georgetown

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7796 troops, 94 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 132

Defending force 918 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 29

Allied max assault: 224 - adjusted assault: 121

Japanese max defense: 24 - adjusted defense: 11

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
60 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Mersing

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 17678 troops, 139 guns, 210 vehicles, Assault Value = 414

Defending force 1745 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Allied max assault: 722 - adjusted assault: 399

Japanese max defense: 3 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 399 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
3640 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported


MERSING IS FINALLY CLEARED !!!!

[Andy Mac]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/09/44

ASW CONTINUES TO GO AGAINST ME

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ASW attack at 61,45

Japanese Ships
MSW Ranzan Maru
MSW Tamozono Maru #2
MSW Noshiro Maru #2
MSW Choun Maru #7
MSW W.7
MSW W.20
MSW W.11
MSW W.17
APD APD-34

Allied Ships
SS Trout


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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 20


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
170 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
Spitfire VIII x 5


No Allied losses


DECIDED TO DEAL WITH SOME PESTS THAT HAD REESTABLISHED HIMSELF AT TRUK

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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 12
P-38J Lightning x 8
F-5C Lightning x 5
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 6 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 43

Aircraft Attacking:



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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 81,84


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 23
P-40N Warhawk x 26


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:


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Day Air attack on 18th/B Division, at 52,81


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 26th Special Base Force, at 23,44


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 2
Liberator VI x 9
Beaufighter VIC x 16
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
P-40N Warhawk x 56
B-25J Mitchell x 111
B-24J Liberator x 23


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:

OUCH ANOTHER SUB GOES DOWN

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ASW attack at 59,62

Japanese Ships
PC Hiburi
PC Ukuru
PC Chiburi
PC Awaji
PC Iki
PC Manju
PC Amakusa
PC Kanju

Allied Ships
SS S-43, hits 7


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Ground combat at Georgetown

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7895 troops, 92 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 130

Defending force 839 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 25

Allied max assault: 222 - adjusted assault: 99

Japanese max defense: 21 - adjusted defense: 6

Allied assault odds: 16 to 1



Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported

THIS IS GETTING ANNOYING THEY ARE NOT GOING DOWN

[Andy Mac]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/10/44

HOOYA PIPEFISH GETS A KILL

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Sub attack at 27,53

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 10, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Pipefish

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FINBACK IS OK SHE WILL LIVE

Sub attack at 40,52

Japanese Ships
PC PC-18, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PC PC-25
PC PC-22
PC PC-21
PC PC-10
PC PC-1
PC Nomi
PC Tsushima

Allied Ships
SS Finback, hits 4

MY BOMBERS ARE NOT MAKING MUCH PROGRESS THE REAL OFFENSIVE FROM THE AIR WILL ONLY BEGIN WHEN BOTH GEORGETOWN AND KHOTA ARE READY WHICH WILL TAKE 2 WEEKS THEN I BRING IN THE REAL HEAVIES TO TAKE CARE OF THE TRAINING CAMPS IN CHINA AND SINAPORE

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 15
P-38J Lightning x 19
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 21
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 112

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 26th Special Base Force, at 23,44


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 9
F6F Hellcat x 4
Liberator VI x 7
Beaufighter VIC x 16
Mosquito FB.VI x 12
P-40N Warhawk x 60
P-38J Lightning x 14
B-25J Mitchell x 80
B-24J Liberator x 39


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
BASHAW GETS A KICKING FOR MISSING ABUSE FROM CENTPAC FOR THAT ONE
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Sub attack at 28,52

Japanese Ships
TK Gen'yo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Bashaw


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Ground combat at Georgetown

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7857 troops, 89 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Defending force 852 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Allied max assault: 216 - adjusted assault: 84

Japanese max defense: 22 - adjusted defense: 3

Allied assault odds: 28 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported

THESE ATTACKS ARE NOT WORKING THESE ARE STUBBORN GITS

[Andy Mac]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/11/44


OK THIS IS MORE LIKE IT FULL SUB ON FIRE

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Sub attack at 31,50

Japanese Ships
TK Gen'yo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Escolar

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MEDIUMS ARE HITTING SINGAPORE ROUND THE CLOCK

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 76
B-25J Mitchell x 55


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
254 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 92

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 10
Mosquito FB.VI x 10
B-25J Mitchell x 76
B-24J Liberator x 39


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 108
Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 13


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 8


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 5
B-25J Mitchell x 27


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 12
F-5C Lightning x 2
PB4Y Liberator x 10
B-24J Liberator x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 1 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 77

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 4th Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,50


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 30
P-38J Lightning x 4
P-47D Thunderbolt x 13


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D Thunderbolt: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
89 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 4th Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,50


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 9
TBM Avenger x 5
Beaufighter VIC x 3
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 3
P-38J Lightning x 17


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 56th/C Division, at 23,50


Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 49
TBM Avenger x 48
Boomerang II x 8
Spitfire VIII x 9
P-40N Warhawk x 8


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 2 damaged
TBM Avenger: 2 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 26th Special Base Force, at 23,44


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 5
Beaufighter VIC x 14
Mosquito FB.VI x 2
P-40N Warhawk x 60


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 28,67


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 9


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2084, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AG AG-5116, Shell hits 8, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 28,67


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 7


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2081, Shell hits 4, on fire
AG AG-353

Aircraft Attacking:
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OK BASHAW IS GIVEN A REPRIEVE FOR MISSING YESTERDAY

Sub attack at 28,51

Japanese Ships
TK Ayazono Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
MSW W.26

Allied Ships
SS Bashaw

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ASW attack at 28,51

Japanese Ships
MSW W.26

Allied Ships
SS Bashaw

[Andy Mac]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/12/44

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 30
B-25J Mitchell x 42


Allied aircraft losses
B-25J Mitchell: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Runway hits 71

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
B-25J Mitchell x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50


Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 11
Mosquito FB.VI x 10
B-25J Mitchell x 119
B-24J Liberator x 29


Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 1 damaged
B-25J Mitchell: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 148
Port hits 13
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on Truk , at 63,78

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 15
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 8
B-24J Liberator x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 1 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 78

Aircraft Attacking:

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Day Air attack on 4th Mixed/B Brigade, at 23,50


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 25
P-38J Lightning x 8
P-47D Thunderbolt x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th/C Division, at 23,50


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 5
SB2C Helldiver x 51
TBM Avenger x 37
Boomerang II x 5
Spitfire VIII x 9
P-40N Warhawk x 9


Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on 26th Special Base Force, at 23,44


Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 11
F6F Hellcat x 5
Beaufighter VIC x 14
Mosquito FB.VI x 2
P-40N Warhawk x 60
P-38J Lightning x 15


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 30,67


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 7


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2081, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AG AG-366, Shell hits 4, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
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Day Air attack on TF at 30,67


Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 7


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2082, Shell hits 4, on fire
AG AG-2095

Aircraft Attacking:
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ASW attack at 49,51

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 14
PG Daido Maru
PC PC-51
PC Shonan
PC Wakamiya
PC Mutsure
PC Oki

Allied Ships
SS Scabbardfish