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HarpoonPages invites you to vote for the 2006 Pooner and Lifetime Pooner.

The big news is that this is the 10th Anniversary of the first Pooner vote (Tom Wenck won back in 1996 for his pfedit program). Thanks to yours truly, Don Gilman, Larry Bond, Chris Carlson, and Brad Leyte (Pooner 2005) the award this year includes adoration & thanks of the Harpoon community and more.

The 2006 Pooner will receive a first edition hard cover copy of Red Storm Rising, in Very Good condition (if not fine but I'm no book dealer) signed not only by Tom Clancy, but Larry Bond as well!

The 2006 Lifetime Pooner will receive a copy of Dangerous Ground signed by Larry Bond and Chris Carlson!

To vote and view the past winners, visit http://www.harpoonpages.com/poonervote/pooner-Intro.php

If you have any difficulties voting, please send an e-mail to pooner@harpoonpages.com with your name, e-mail address, and your vote for Pooner and Lifetime Pooner and I will enter them manually.

Please post this message on any forum/list/newsgroup where Harpoon players reside so that we can bring in as many votes and cudos as possible to those who sustain Harpoon.
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It has been mainly a Harpoon 3 kind of year, both of my choices for 2006 Pooner awards exert much of their effort (but not all) on the H3 side of the fence.

For 2006 Pooner I chose Jan-Paul Köster. His support work, bug verification and ranking, and his work on the AGSI wiki bring him my vote.

For Lifetime Pooner I chose Darrel Dearing. He has programmed the Harpoon games off and on for a very long time, efficiently, with skill, and with an ability to sideskirt the nasty public confrontations some of the rest of us just cannot always let pass. In my opinion he has supported the game in the spirit of a lifetime Pooner.
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Here we are, day three of voting and only 9 votes entered!  When I see 40+ thread views on this forum alone it tells me a lot of people should have voted that haven't yet.  Please come vote, it only takes a few minutes and a short trudge thru your spam mail bucket (well, that's where the verification message ends up for most of us).  Now is the time, make your statement so that others can see your choices have votes!
 
 
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Hm... I guess people remember last year's voting, when you Tony had taken over the voting process after Ed. The voting rules changed no less than *three* times, and every time they were changed to give a 'certain' group less chance of winning. And in the end, the winner somehow turned out to be your buddy Brad. In the votes cast on the HarpoonHQ, your buddy wasn't even mentioned once, yet he mysteriously went ahead and won the whole Pooner Award thingie. Pretty strange...
 
I won't vote this year. And I don't think that many others will either...
 
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Correct on one point :), last year the voting process was handed off from Ed Ladner to myself.

Last year the rules changed exactly once, before the voting began. I don't think any rule changes before last year can or should be blamed on me. One of the changes I made was to limit the award to individuals, no groups allowed. I stand by that change and if I had to give up my Pooner as part of the HC Gold team to make you happy, I would.

If you had read the voting rules, you would have seen that only votes entered at HarpoonPages count towards the winner, no votes were made at HHQ (impossible since only votes at the voting site count). Now if more of you come vote this year I'm sure HHQ, being the largest power block can win sweep the Pooner awards for many years to come.

There is no mystery about the voting, strict logs are made, every form submission logged and the status (average 8 log entries per vote) as well, just to disprove any challenges of unfair voting. As Mike has found, even manual votes sent to pooner@harpoonpages.com get counted as long as you send the details listed at the opening message of this thread (and if there are missing details I ask for them, the vote isn't simply abandoned).

I hope this clears up any confusion and gets everyone back to voting.
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One of the changes I made was to limit the award to individuals, no groups allowed.
Why?
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Hm... I guess people remember last year's voting, when you Tony had taken over the voting process after Ed. The voting rules changed no less than *three* times, and every time they were changed to give a 'certain' group less chance of winning. And in the end, the winner somehow turned out to be your buddy Brad. In the votes cast on the HarpoonHQ, your buddy wasn't even mentioned once, yet he mysteriously went ahead and won the whole Pooner Award thingie. Pretty strange... I won't vote this year. And I don't think that many others will either... ...well, except Herman Hum and his 40+ fake internet personalities...

I'm going to ask nicely just this once that you please refrain from trying to discolor the Pooner awards with conspiracy theories and personal attacks. Its a community tradition thats bigger than any single personality or group around here, and it doesn't need to be drawn into more petty bickering. Just let it alone, please. Tony has taken on this responsibility with a great deal of integrity, and at no small amount of expenditure of personal time and money. People from HarpoonHQ have been recognised with the award before, and there's absolutely no reason to expect it can't happen again. I'm going to contribute as well to what will be a very nice prize. If you were the community leader you claim to be (and ought to be), you'd do the same, at least in word if not in deed.
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I also am voting for Jan-Paul Koester for Pooner of the Year 2006, and for Darrel Dearing for Lifetime Pooner. Well done, gentlemen !
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There is no mystery about the voting, strict logs are made, every form submission logged and the status (average 8 log entries per vote) as well, just to disprove any challenges of unfair voting. As Mike has found, even manual votes sent to pooner@harpoonpages.com get counted as long as you send the details listed at the opening message of this thread (and if there are missing details I ask for them, the vote isn't simply abandoned).

Well well... we all know what happened last year Tony. The winner had been decided on even before the voting began. But some heavy maneuvering and rule-changing was necessary to produce a half-credible result, vote-vice.

BTW, before you start counting any votes I assume that you check the originator IPs to avoid duplicates. As you already know there are certain mental 'kokos' out there who own 40+ fake internet identities/e-mails and sees absolutely nothing wrong with giving themselves 40+ votes. I'd also advice that you to delete votes that come via proxies... The kokos are known to also use those for trolling purposes. Oops I hope I didn't just spoil anyones 'creative' voting plans hehe [;)]

As for personal integrety, both you Tony and Brad (CV32) tend to hang out with those very same kokos a lot...

So lets see what happens this year... [8|]
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There is no mystery about the voting, strict logs are made, every form submission logged and the status (average 8 log entries per vote) as well, just to disprove any challenges of unfair voting. As Mike has found, even manual votes sent to pooner@harpoonpages.com get counted as long as you send the details listed at the opening message of this thread (and if there are missing details I ask for them, the vote isn't simply abandoned).

I hope this clears up any confusion and gets everyone back to voting.

Well Tony to be honest I just found it as this is the first indication that my vote was counted unless I missed something (which is possible).
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Well Tony to be honest I just found it as this is the first indication that my vote was counted unless I missed something (which is possible).

I sent a reply to your @yahoo.com address 12/1 9:02am that you used to vote with the row of the database showing your vote.

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I sent a reply to your @yahoo.com address 12/1 9:02am that you used to vote with the row of the database showing your vote.

Jeez Tony..hehe..I gotcha though

Just checked and have nothing in my box. It could very well been something on my end. Thanks for putting the time in though and thank you for letting me know. Probably not a great example of stuff going that smoothly though amigo. Live, learn and mooove forward. [:)]



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Oh I didn't mention here but:

Voted for JP for Pooner of the Year. Guy really had done alot for all of us and does so modestly.

Voted for Darrel D to get a Lifetime. Very nice guy who has given his time and talent to Harpoon for years.
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One of the changes I made was to limit the award to individuals, no groups allowed.
Why?

Because I believe the circumstances of voting for groups came into being in poor circumstances (I just returned from reading the Dec 2003 HULL archives). General agreement before 2003 said voting for groups was not allowed, I did not support voting for groups in 2003 and voiced my concerns (apparently not on HULL in public <hint hint>).

Before the 2005 voting I chatted with Ed and others broaching the idea of returning to Pooner being a single individual. Nobody whined or complained, there were no glowing "oh yes, limit it to individuals" calls either, just a general response that either approach was reasonable. It wasn't a unilateral decision but it was my call to make and I have zero regrets about making the call and do not for one second believe that anyone is being cheated except those reading what started as a pure thread thanking those who work hard for Harpoon!

Reading thru the HULL archives reinforces my belief that Pooner as an individual is correct and by the looks of the votes that came in, Bruce Fenster would have won overwhelmingly if the HC Gold team hadn't won. I think your real beef is that the Harpoon 3 crew didn't win, 2004 looked like the opportunity, or 2002 if group voting would have been possible then, either way it wasn't under my watch where the rules for voting have been static.


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Oh I didn't mention here but:

Voted for JP for Pooner of the Year. Guy really had done alot for all of us and does so modestly.

Voted for Darrel D to get a Lifetime. Very nice guy who has given his time and talent to Harpoon for years.

Thanks Mike, that is what the Pooner vote is about [:)]
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ORIGINAL: emsoy
There is no mystery about the voting, strict logs are made, every form submission logged and the status (average 8 log entries per vote) as well, just to disprove any challenges of unfair voting. As Mike has found, even manual votes sent to pooner@harpoonpages.com get counted as long as you send the details listed at the opening message of this thread (and if there are missing details I ask for them, the vote isn't simply abandoned).

Well well... we all know what happened last year Tony. The winner had been decided on even before the voting began. But some heavy maneuvering and rule-changing was necessary to produce a half-credible result, vote-vice.

BTW, before you start counting any votes I assume that you check the originator IPs to avoid duplicates. As you already know there are certain mental 'kokos' out there who own 40+ fake internet identities/e-mails and sees absolutely nothing wrong with giving themselves 40+ votes. I'd also advice that you to delete votes that come via proxies... The kokos are known to also use those for trolling purposes. Oops I hope I didn't just spoil anyones 'creative' voting plans hehe [;)]

As for personal integrety, both you Tony and Brad (CV32) tend to hang out with those very same kokos a lot...

So lets see what happens this year... [8|]

Hmm, I don't think your post is really worth responding to, but for the few new accusations you make I'll reply this time and likely ignore any future baseless accusations you make...

Nobody has voted for himself so far this year, didn't happen last year either, hmm.

Last year the winner was decided when the last vote was placed, late Dec. 31st, and I quote from the log (with e-mail address removed to protect the voter):
163 someaddress@aol.com 172.137.162.8 Vote - Vote successful. Dale Hillier Ed Ladner 2005-12-31 18:30:36

There was no conspiracy to win Brad the award, he won it by getting the most votes via one vote per voter.

No two votes came from the same IP address last year (nor so far this year). In fact every vote in 2005 was from a separate Class B address (i.e. multiple Comcast votes from 24.xxx.yyy.zzz but no two from 24.xxx). Same deal so far this year.

Actually 2005 saw a very close vote on the individual Pooner award, Brad won, Herman was 3 votes behind, Dale and Ed were each 4 votes behind. Not rigged and not a landslide (well, Ed did whip Herman hands down for the lifetime Pooner win).


As for kokos (I generally know who you mean but have no need to avoid naming them), at the #harpgamer IRC channel most are welcome, I welcome everyone including yourself but some of my more realistic partners (HarpGamer has 4 co-founders, Brad, Bruce, Fred, Tony) will kick a few people without much question, for past antics. Anyway, this has nothing to do with the voting but I will support and stand up for anyone defending and furthering Harpoon. Herman gets my support at times and my scowl at times [&:]. He comes to #harpgamer looking for multiplayer games and has brought more people into multiplayer H3 games than anyone else. I really do wish others would take advantage of the server I offer up and the facilities for meeting other players HarpGamer provides. Herman has the time and makes the effort, I have the computing resources and not the time, the resources will support more new players and Herman can always use help in introducing people to the game. Nothing says that anyone from HHQ can't come and initiate new players on the Stratsims server and I have made it known on IRC that I hope you do make use of the server.

Frans shows up now and again mainly looking for a multiplayer game at 1:1 compression... Frans has taken his beatings at #harpgamer for criticisms of the USA and certain WWII events as well but he isn't banned, even disagreeable stances are okay here with few restrictions (no camping unless you are an op, no swearing, no wildly off topic banter when there is an on-topic conversation).

Maybe Brad is a koko too in your book, he just slaves away at HCDB and helping others with databases (Rene included, who quite excellently is doing a dandy job of getting us all as much HCCE as possible for release).

I may as well be a koko as well, after all, I stand up for the little guy who defends the game in the face of an onslaught, sometimes that crosses paths with you, and sometimes it agrees with you (times which you'll note we don't hear about in public, making HC database structure changes for Ragnar, H3 dbEdit changes for Dale, playing nice <most of the time, Mike has a way of getting to me> with Mike when he helps with HC bug verification and entry). Not to mention when no one is looking I'm supporting AGSI by answering code inquiries, feeding step by step fixes to the coders, answering support questions that don't get answered by others, etc. Shame on me for playing and supporting both games, I must deserve a special place in purgatory for that?

Any kokos I missed, perhaps you favor Reckall, sadly haven't seen him in a while, everyone comes with a different perspective and I like that. Pete Maidhof, amazingly stand-up guy, frequent visitor, has led me to learn more about H4 paper than I would have made it thru alone, and he tests for Stratsims, plays our Harpoon scenarios, and would probably offer up his kidney if most anyone needed it. Pete is one of those guys who could win a Pooner if more people saw all of the work he does. I assume Brains (aka Frank) isn't a koko. He is the void which sucks up all chatter on channel and spits out brilliant observations every now and then.

Some of us dare offer an alternative to HHQ and the turn this thread has taken makes it apparent why.
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playing nice <most of the time, Mike has a way of getting to me> with Mike when he helps with HC bug verification and entry).

Zhou talking to me? You flaming me mang??? Say hello to my little frien...er..

I have a way of getting to everybody so don't feel too special Tony:)

In terms of all this stop it guys. Things have a way or working themselves out.

If you don't like the rules make another award. Preferably maybe at another time though. Tony you're into alternatives, choices and down with the struggle against the onslaught little man whatever.. This would be a good idea right?

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Hmm, I don't think your post is really worth responding to, but for the few new accusations you make I'll reply this time and likely ignore any future baseless accusations you make...

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Okay since you say that you still have the voting logs from last year, then maybe you would be kind enough to send them over..? Don't forget to include dates, e-mail addresses and IP addresses [;)]

...and then we can see if last year's voting can handle the light of day.

Oh, and Tony, don't pat yourself too hard on the back, buddy...
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In terms of all this stop it guys. Things have a way or working themselves out.

If you don't like the rules make another award. Preferably maybe at another time though. Tony you're into alternatives, choices and down with the struggle against the onslaught little man whatever.. This would be a good idea right?

Ah yeah okay I'll stop it. Strike my last post. Depending on what happens this year we might or might not set up a seperate Pooner Award next year.

Anyway, good luck with the voting Tony, it will be interesting to see who 'wins' this year...
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Ah yeah okay I'll stop it. Strike my last post. Depending on what happens this year we might or might not set up a seperate Pooner Award next year

Unbelievable!!!

The guy shows up again, directly starts a flame full with accusations, naming people, etc. etc. etc.
And at the end playing mister innocent with the bleeding nose!!!

Zum kotzen!!![:@]

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