Man in Motion Rules and Gameplay Issues

hack153 · Post by **hack153** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:01 am

here's to JIM!!!

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if you need any playbooks, there are a bunch of us on here than can get you some.

Great White · Post by **Great White** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:50 pm

ORIGINAL: Jim1010

Hi all,

I have noticed the Tight End running through the Offensive Linemen occasionally, but not all the time. And as you said it does not effect the game, just looks funny so you're not the only one who has seen it. I am using the plays that have come with the game, I have not made my own (lack of time).

GW,

I do not post here much, I barely have time to play the game as much as I would like (Which I have found to be very fun).
I noticed you said in an above post that you own the First version of the game. If you already paid for the game once then you can download all the patches and you will have the latest release of the game. It does not cost extra to download the latest Beta patch. I can tell you that I have downloaded all the patch releases and the game is really a good Football Simulation.

So If you did already buy the game when it first came out then get the patches and play with the game some.

Ok I will be quiet now.

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not have trading and other features I demand from the FB Games.

tip of the iceberge Plus, I remove/uninstalled the original download copy, doubt I can still get downloads free; I will try, though. Just do not expect my interest to stay with so much missing, in what FBP '98 had, let alone some of EAS and ESPN. [/font]

timtellean1 · Post by **timtellean1** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:12 pm

GW-Install and run FBPro '98 on your damn computer and GO AWAY!!!!!!!
You offer NOTHING useful!!!!!!!!

hack153 · Post by **hack153** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:00 pm

it was Mr. Plum in the Maximum Football Forum, with the keyboard!
 
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here's to you tim!

DirkGildun · Post by **DirkGildun** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:07 pm

I wish everyone here for real discussions about MaxFB (and who already own the game) would realize that GW is a troll who claims that:

1) He's been a football coach even though he doesn't seem to know some basic football concepts and rules.
2) He's been a teacher even though he can't type a correct sentence -- spelling-wise, grammar-wise, punctuation-wise, or capitalization-wise.

He's just an agitator stirring the pot.

If everyone here who wants to:

1) Learn how to play MaxFB with all of its nuances,
2) Point out existing bugs to David for their eradications,
3) Make useful suggestions to David on improving the game,
3) Create helpful mods to increase enjoyment of the game,

would just click on the green "Ignore" button under 1 of GW's posts, we could all ignore him, and maybe he would go haunt some other forum.

Brockleigh · Post by **Brockleigh** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:01 pm

Wow... all of this just from a simple misunderstanding.

Great White · Post by **Great White** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:12 pm

[font="courier new"]Jim1010[/font][font="courier new"],[/font]
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[font="courier new"]*-Probably hoping it will go away, in enough time for them to fix it, without much negative attention.[/font]
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[font="courier new"]            Sorry, as about as good joke funny as I am at using the english language.[/font]

DONMVP · Post by **DONMVP** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:51 pm

Man , what a discussion , of course on my screen its one  side thats right .Since i have a block on , only see  the game owners side.  I wish all things  were as great as clicking  that dot .  Maybe one day i`ll design plays   or playbooks , for my teams , but now just glad some of you have shared with the rest keep it up and have  fun. Also  saw TE  running into line , no big  deal .

hack153 · Post by **hack153** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:59 pm

i think past games had the same problem so now that i know it's nothing, i'm not too worried about it. maybe it will get fixed, maybe it won't, not a major issue.

Great White · Post by **Great White** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:35 pm

Since i have a block on, only see the game owners side.

[font="courier new"]Just so, no members (that have yet to use the block button-green) become misinformed by this ignorant comment, in DONMVP's post, here it what the Block button does. All the block button does is block the particular user you no longer want to read posts from, receive PMs from, send PMs to or of course, put on your buddy list. It does not automatically weed out all the members who have not purchased MF and block them.[/font]

DONMVP · Post by **DONMVP** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:16 am

Glad i decided to click back and read some of your comments to go with this tread . First off my last post , if you thought what i said was ignorant maybe you should look at most of your post on this site . These guys have been trying to have a good conversation over some rules and you blew it out of the water as usual . Did`nt realize how much crap i missed from you attacking people on here . Seems like anytime someone objects to your ramblings you blast them here or in pm`s . Iknow your going take this as an attack so be it , its not meant to be .Iwas just imforming people that clicking that button , i could come to this board and with your comments blocked i could read others comment quicker . Since 99 percent on this board own the game , it enables me and others to chat and help them with stuff on here . keep this from being a flame war of words on here .

local8h · Post by **local8h** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:29 am

Anyhow back to the original question about man in motion player running to the otherside , well i use to see that a lot on the old build, but i havent seen that bug appeared on the latest Public Beta Patch.

Great White · Post by **Great White** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:32 am

[font="courier new"]Well, I guess if it is not in the newest version, not sure I believe it yet-too little buyers playing the game, we will see in a few months-, it would be a non-issue.[:)][/font]
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[font="courier new"]Also, I read people typing that it is other FB Gaming Games; I never saw it in FB Video Gaming Games (EAS's Madden and NCAA Football and ESPNNFL), I only saw it in FB Computer Gaming Game (FBP '98)*. People typing about how MF is not alone (not arguing that MF is alone, in having such problems), just should type next time (and a correction) that Off. and Def. FB Players only run into each other or run infront of OLmen (while performing presnap movements) in FB Computer Gaming Games.[/font]
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[font="courier new"]*-I am guessing it is consequence to being able to do sophisticated play editing and creations, and FB Gaming Games advances not enough to make players smarter about presnap movements.[:(] Unlike FB Video Gaming Games (EAS's Madden and NCAA Football and ESPNNFL)[:(], FB Computer Gaming Games (FBP '98 and MF) provide a lot better options in play editing and creating.[:)][/font]

hack153 · Post by **hack153** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:58 pm

we hit 3 pages of bickering because i asked a simple question.  happy holidays!

Great White · Post by **Great White** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:23 pm

[font="courier new"]Let clearify this.[/font]

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RE: man in motion bug??? - 11/28/2006 5:21:30 PM

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I understand, Hack. Thanks for posting the picture.

Normally, an end would have to step off the line, come over to the other side, and then reset. At the same time, the split end would have to step back, and the flanker would have to step up. This all has to be done prior to having all players in the set for a full second prior to the snap. Otherwise, it is a penalty for more than one player in motion.

A player cannot run along the line of scrimmage in motion in any case.

Maximum-Football does not really allow this kind of movement. It is easier to just flip the play.

< Message edited by Marauders -- 11/28/2006 5:25:23 PM >

Marauders · Post by **Marauders** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:42 pm

Let clearify this.

Post #: 22 (7-posts to understand the first-post never admiting he was wrong or sorry and incorrectly argue that TEs because the move in another direction/Insult anyone that has ever coached and played USAn FootBall or any one who really understands USAn FootBall, above High School-not most on here-which continued without stop)

I was in no way wrong. I was spot on from the start.

Ask anyone reading this forum other than you.

What you quoted from me was correct in every way. Do you need me to break it down for you?

A team must have seven players on the line of scrimmage at the snap.

A team may only have seven players on the line of scrimmage at the snap.

A team must have an end covering the tackle on each side at the snap.

If a player in the tight end right position wants to get to the left tight end position, the team must do the following prior to the snap: the player at the right tight end would have to step off the line, come over to the other side, and then reset. At the same time, the split end (on the left side because he was covering the tackle) would have to step back (the player shifted to tight end on the left, so there can be no split end, thus the receiver had to step off the line at least a yard to become a flanker), and the flanker (on the right side because he could not be a split end) would have to step up (he would have to set on the line to cover the right tackle).

This all has to be done prior to having all players in the set for a full second prior to the snap (because two players cannot be in motion at the snap and more than two players had to move at one time). Otherwise, it is a penalty for more than one player in motion (if they are not set one second prior to the snap, all three players are considered in motion even if all three are not actually moving at the time of the snap).

A player cannot run along the line of scrimmage in motion in any case (only players off the line of scrimmage can be in motion - running along the line of scrimmage is illegal).

Again, what part of that do you not understand?

- Marauders

Shaggyra · Post by **Shaggyra** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:02 am

I'm with you Marauders. 

Marauders · Post by **Marauders** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:22 am

A little tidbit has been forwarded to me from Brockleigh: in the CFL, a backfield player in motion at the snap may be within one yard from the line of scrimmage at the snap as long as he crosses the line of scrimmage farther than five yards from the offensive tackle.  That would allow a backfield player to being within the one yard buffer as long as they are moving forward at the snap.  They would not be able to be in tight coming from the wing, as that would be unfair in blocking on running plays, but it is helpful for flankers and slotbacks doing their downfield routes.
 
I would like to thank Brockleigh for passing that along to me, as it will help me in play design.
 
 

Great White · Post by **Great White** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:35 pm

ORIGINAL: Marauders

A little tidbit has been forwarded to me from Brockleigh: in the CFL, a backfield player in motion at the snap may be within one yard from the line of scrimmage at the snap as long as he crosses the line of scrimmage farther than five yards from the offensive tackle. That would allow a backfield player to being within the one yard buffer as long as they are moving forward at the snap. They would not be able to be in tight coming from the wing, as that would be unfair in blocking on running plays, but it is helpful for flankers and slotbacks doing their downfield routes.

I would like to thank Brockleigh for passing that along to me, as it will help me in play design.

Marauders · Post by **Marauders** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:13 pm

Yes, in the CFL.  What is your point?
 
I have already gone through the rules in American (as in United States and not North American as a whole).  This is an exception that is in Canadian rules that was worth going over for community members who may be designing plays for the Canadian ruleset.
 
- Marauders
 