Tearing down a stone wall...?

[Sheytan]

problem with the game currently is you can get multiple incarnations of LU's I started a game last night as confeds, 1861 july scenario and had 2 stonewall units in diff stats at game start and 2 of another LU elsewhere. mind you I wasnt complaining, and in my mind simply justified it as the principals IE Stonewall Jackson simply raised 2 birgades lol...but im sure this wasnt intended.

[Gil R.]

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

problem with the game currently is you can get multiple incarnations of LU's I started a game last night as confeds, 1861 july scenario and had 2 stonewall units in diff stats at game start and 2 of another LU elsewhere. mind you I wasnt complaining, and in my mind simply justified it as the principals IE Stonewall Jackson simply raised 2 birgades lol...but im sure this wasnt intended.

That's a bug. Could you please post it in the support forum, and hold on to the save-game in case Eric needs it?

I've never seen that happen before, and it never happened in playtesting. I think what might be happening is that we had talked of making particular LU's always appear in the Bull Run scenario, but if this was implemented then there wasn't code added to keep them from appearing randomly as well.

[freeboy]

ok now I feel just silly... how do you buy an attribute for a unit?

[Gil R.]

When the unit is highlighted, click on one of those two vertically stacked blue boxes near the bottom of the screen, to the right of the unit's weapon. This works for brigades, forts, and ships.

[Hard Sarge]

click here and it will bring up a screen to pick from, if you what is needed to buy it

[freeboy]

ow, is this a training thing?

[Gil R.]

No -- you purchase the attribute, and it's there by the end of that turn.

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: Gil R.

When the unit is highlighted, click on one of those two vertically stacked blue boxes near the bottom of the screen, to the right of the unit's weapon. This works for brigades, forts, and ships.

this works for Inf, Cav, Arty and Forts, not Siege Arty, Gunboats or Ships

[freeboy]

Right, you purchase an attribut, simulating training?

[Gil R.]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

ORIGINAL: Gil R.

When the unit is highlighted, click on one of those two vertically stacked blue boxes near the bottom of the screen, to the right of the unit's weapon. This works for brigades, forts, and ships.

this works for Inf, Cav, Arty and Forts, not Siege Arty, Gunboats or Ships

You're right: not ships. My mind is going... Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer true...

[Gil R.]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

Right, you purchase an attribut, simulating training?

Sure, plus the purchase of appropriate equipment (and uniforms, in the case of Zouaves).

[moose1999]

Well, it's me again.
I've got another problem with Stonewall. He started moving - stopped being a wall and became a steamroller instead.
And he brought artillery this time. Two units.
These artillery units have just completely decimated my western army.
I lost 30.000 men in the last battle and at least half of them were from the two artillery units.
I tried charging them from all angles, flanks, back, front (well, I got desperate in the end) but no matter where the charge came from the charging unit was butchered. At one point one of my units were completely destroyed - lost 2900 men in one artillery barrage.[:(]
How in the world do I counter artillery...? [&:]
These two units seemed invulnerable - they were alone, no infantry support (they were busy elsewhere) and I had them completely surrounded. But they just butchered one unit after the other without taking any significant damage themselves.
I was powerless.
I didn't have any cavalry - I guess that would have helped.
But is using cavalry the only way to counter artillery?

[Hard Sarge]

ORIGINAL: briny_norman

Well, it's me again.
I've got another problem with Stonewall. He started moving - stopped being a wall and became a steamroller instead.
And he brought artillery this time. Two units.

2 Guns ? ohoh

These artillery units have just completely decimated my western army.
I lost 30.000 men in the last battle and at least half of them were from the two artillery units.
I tried charging them from all angles, flanks, back, front (well, I got desperate in the end) but no matter where the charge came from the charging unit was butchered. At one point one of my units were completely destroyed - lost 2900 men in one artillery barrage.[:(]
How in the world do I counter artillery...? [&:]
These two units seemed invulnerable - they were alone, no infantry support (they were busy elsewhere) and I had them completely surrounded. But they just butchered one unit after the other without taking any significant damage themselves.

were they dugin ?

I was powerless.
I didn't have any cavalry - I guess that would have helped.
But is using cavalry the only way to counter artillery?

LOL, I just lost my whole reply !!!!

ahh try again then

get some sharpshooter skills, you need to break the guns morale, if they were dugin, charge is going to be a blood bath and you may not break there morale before they break yours

get a rifle with a range of at least 4 (you can get a 3 range, but you want to be at max range, when you are going to be tradeing shots with Arty)

if you got a unit or two of snipers (you want at least two of these) let them fire from max range and try and break the Guns morale, once the morale gets down to 0, rush them with your other units and try to break them, Guns do not run good, and you got a chance to capture them

over all, it sounds like you got a good game going, enjoy the challenge of having something that plain numbers will not overcome

[Hard Sarge]

plus if they on the attack, you got a chance vs the guns, on the defence, they are even nastier

[Gil R.]

Also, presumably, having brigade artillery and horse artillery on your side wouldn't hurt... (Hard Sarge, do you find one of these more useful than the other?)

[Hard Sarge]

well, for me, I would reather have attached Arty for my Inf, then having it for my Cav, I want the speed

I like attached Arty, but not for trading shots with a Arty Bde, I would rather use snipers

[Bungo_Pete]

ORIGINAL: briny_norman

Well, it's me again.
I've got another problem with Stonewall. He started moving - stopped being a wall and became a steamroller instead.
And he brought artillery this time. Two units.
These artillery units have just completely decimated my western army.
I lost 30.000 men in the last battle and at least half of them were from the two artillery units.
I tried charging them from all angles, flanks, back, front (well, I got desperate in the end) but no matter where the charge came from the charging unit was butchered. At one point one of my units were completely destroyed - lost 2900 men in one artillery barrage.[:(]
How in the world do I counter artillery...? [&:]
These two units seemed invulnerable - they were alone, no infantry support (they were busy elsewhere) and I had them completely surrounded. But they just butchered one unit after the other without taking any significant damage themselves.
I was powerless.
I didn't have any cavalry - I guess that would have helped.
But is using cavalry the only way to counter artillery?

Why is stonewall a steam roller?.He was an average general at best,and a dam CONTEMPTOUS ONE AT THAT.

[moose1999]

Sharpshooters , eh? Sounds like a good idea.
Gotta get me some long range rifles too, obviously.
Stonewall was on the attack, so the guns were not dug in - the thought of dug in artillery is pretty scary, now.[X(]
But does this mean that cavalry is not especially suitable for attacking artillery - it would be nice to know as it would spare me another catastrophic mistake...!
 
And yes, you can be certain that I am enjoying getting my ass handed to me like this.
It is really great gameplay when the AI, after having beaten me back a few times, calls in reinforcements from the Mississippi and goes on the offensive to capitalize on my weakness, instead of just waiting for me to rebuild my forces and attack again as a stronger and wiser general.
I feel I'm really getting something for my my money, here [:)]
 
Bungo_Pete: I think Stonewall being a steam roller in this phase has a lot to do with my being a wall-to-wall carpet... [;)]

[Hard Sarge]

hmmm if the CSA was on the move, I do not see why you had trouble with the guns (I mean, they still going to be HARD to take, but they should of been takable)

Cav would help, but use them for there speed and to keep moving and getting on there flanks or rear, and if you have Dragoon Tactics, you can move in, fire and move out

are you firing or chargeing the guns ?, charges are dangerous

[moose1999]

I was charging a lot - and later I've found out that I was charging a socalled 'Richmond Howitzer'. At least that's what I think it was called, and the unit description called it the most devastating close-range artillery available.
So charging that was definately a risky strategy.
 
I've had better results since then, though.
In another battle I used Yate's Sharpshooters to rout an artillery unit (having just chosen 'telescopic sights' as an upgrade in the same round - so that was good timing...!). I lost the battle anyway - by in my latest battle I not only won but managed to capture two artillery units - among them the Richmond Howitzers that had given me such a headache. The battle was long and bloody and I won by a very slight margin, but it felt really good watching Lee run in the end.
We lost about 20.000 men each, but I won't miss mine as much as he'll miss his. [:D]
 
I took the guns by surrounding them and shooting them to pieces and though I got lucky with one them who got caught in some swampy terrain which hampered him alot, I still lost an incredible amount of men. I tried charging too, a few times, but as earlier the results were catastrophic - the artillery would loose 50-100 men while my infantry would take losses at around 1.500. So I'm not doing that anymore. [;)]
 
But as I said, now I've got his guns. So next time he comes at me he'll get a taste of his own medicine...![:D]
 
Great game, this is!