Another obscure ship

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What brought these ships in my mind was they (the Haida and Onandaga) were both included in CHS but as Taney Class (Secretary Class really). I knew they weren't that so I went looking and found out what type they really were. The Haida had some serious anti-sub armament it appears. CGC Onandaga was not so impressive. Incidentally the photo of Haida is labelled as being from 1945 but it's not. By then the 5"/51s were gone and it had 3"/50 AA guns in their place.

[jwxspoon]

Seems like I recall in CHS the Haida has some ungodly amount of armor, like 500 rating or something.
 
jw

[kilowatts]

ORIGINAL: jwxspoon

Seems like I recall in CHS the Haida has some ungodly amount of armor, like 500 rating or something.

jw

500! that'd be better than the Iowa! No not quite that high, but very impressive : 50 deck, 90 belt and 100 tower. So about the same as an Atlanta class CLAA.

[DuckofTindalos]

Its armour ratings are correct in scenario 155 at least...

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The Secretary Class cutters were built with 3/4 inch shell plating (double than your typical DDs shell plating), shipboard legend having it that this was a Rooseveltian effort to promote the US steel industry.  I know that the ones I served on had an easier time in sea ice because of the extra steel but I can say for sure that it was all mild steel and there was not one mm of armor anywhere on the ship except in the old flak jackets we had for some of the .50 cal crew.

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: spence

It was never the USS OWASCO. It was always the USCGC OWASCO. Beaucoup guns for a CG Cutter (4 x 5"/38, 8 x 40mm, 8 20mm, 4 Y-guns, 2 DC racks). The class never quite made it into the War coming on line in the latter half of 1945. Shortly after the war most of the armament was removed.

As far as I could find, the Owasco commissioned in May, 1945. Hmmm... If only I could find some more complete data... and a ship side...

[spence]

Try this...info on every CG cutter ever at CG Historian site. I suppose Owasco and her sisters would have been available had Japan held out a couple of months more.

http://www.uscg.mil/history/WEBCUTTERS/Owasco_1945.html

[DuckofTindalos]

Thanks... I think I'll include her, just for kicks. Doesn't say anything about armour here, so can we assume that it didn't have any?

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No armor I'm sure...doubt it even had the double thick shell plating of other purpose-built CG cutters but I'm not absolutely positive about that. 

[DuckofTindalos]

Hmm, didn't it say it was designed for ice ops? Oh well, that probably doesn't qualify as armour. It'll be 0/0/0.

[DuckofTindalos]

Damn, this can is going to have an ASW rating of 9! If only it was a bit faster...

[DuckofTindalos]

Here she is. I was wondering what sort of radar set I should give her; WitP doesn't exactly come with the radars she carried, and I'm disinclined to spend device slots on them...

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From the photograph I can see a surface search (SG would probably serve best), an air search and a Mk 52 Fire Control Director for the 5"ers.

[DuckofTindalos]

The site you referred me to listed SU and SR radars. Hence my confusion... I'll probably go with the SG, although I've been considering introducing them earlier. The Owascos only commissioned so late because the priority on their construction was low. They'd probably have gone to the Atlantic if they'd arrived earlier, though...