Which AFV is the king?

Saviola · Post by **Saviola** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 5:41 pm

Which AFV(except Maus) do you think is the most powerful available during WWII?

JagdTiger
King Tiger
Elefant
JS-3
or others...?
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M4Jess · Post by **M4Jess** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:01 pm

M4A3E8 "easy 8" oh yeah baby!!!

M4

Dogmeat · Post by **Dogmeat** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:23 pm

As long as the flame rockets do as much damage as they do, like flamethrowers and other napalm weapons, a few of those attached to ammo carrier squads, you got a rolling wall of death.

Another one from the Czech OOB is the 12.8 Pz Sfl V. With the 128 mm barrel, good speed and relative small size, this was one mean mother for ambushing. Call it a King Marder.

Marc von Martial · Post by **Marc von Martial** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 6:23 pm

Jagdtiger: way too unreliable, limited tactical value, big gun but bad concept

King Tiger: way too unreliable, bad engine, way to heavy, way to slow, big gun but bad concept

Elefant: all of the above

JS3: didn´t even saw action

FNG · Post by **FNG** » Tue Mar 19, 2002 9:13 pm

KV-8. Toasts just about anything (especially with a squad of Tankos on the back).

NaKATPase · Post by **NaKATPase** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:10 am

Of the ones you listed, JS-3...

It seemed to have the most influence on post wwii tank design...
Therefore, there must have been something good about it...

Fallschirmjager · Post by **Fallschirmjager** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 7:57 am

Why wouldnt it? It had a good engine, thick armor and a big ass 128mm gun that could tear thourgh the Hornets hull.

Daniel Oskar · Post by **Daniel Oskar** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 8:48 am

I've gotta go with the T-34 or M-4. Quantity has a quality of its own. Besides, the big german cats may have been technically impressive, but if its broken or out of gas, its just a pillbox.

parusski · Post by **parusski** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:34 am

In SPWAW I find the Jagdtiger to kick butt. It had it's limitations but I use it when it becomes available. Knocks hell out of everything.

risto.nikula · Post by **risto.nikula** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 1:05 pm

Originally posted by Marc Schwanebeck

JS3: didn´t even saw action

about that...

I'm not sure were they uset in other fronts, but there was one used in finnish front,. this particular js3 was destroyed by single shot from lahti at-rifle. The wreckage was investigated, and apparently the bullet went throug the drivers driver's hatch(what is the correct word for the small view hole?) and the riccocet killed everyone inside.

and the tanks:

ot34/85,firefly,hellcat, late stugs and panthers.

Saviola · Post by **Saviola** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 1:09 pm

FNG, is there a KV-8?

T-34, M4 are good, but maybe their armor are too thin, totally outclassed by any of the tigers...jagdTiger doesn't seem to be as slow as Koenigstiger(By,SPWaW)

skukko · Post by **skukko** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:49 pm

stug is good. Ask from my pbem opponents.

but I would say it is Plain Tiger in this poll. It has enough ammo and survives most first shots. Used as it was used in actuall battles, it is killer. In war only JABOs were its problem. (Jagdbombers)

KV-8 is good also and I do like to use KV with 85mm gun...

Allied had Firefly and tankdestroyer Jackson which is in this game real pain in AXIS ass...

mosh

FNG · Post by **FNG** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:58 pm

Originally posted by Saviola
FNG, is there a KV-8?

It's a KV-1 chassis with a 45mm main gun and a flamethrower (2 hex range). Fantastic for breaking through infantry formations and ambushing tanks (the FT gives you a chance to kill anything).

Saviola · Post by **Saviola** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 5:18 pm

Thx,FNG.

Penetrator · Post by **Penetrator** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 5:49 pm

Not this crap again!

wargamer · Post by **wargamer** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:12 pm

The Panther G! No doubt. Fast, reliable and the most effective 75 mm gun tht could take out anything but the heaviest russians. The germans also had the best tank commanders and tank doctorine.

screamer · Post by **screamer** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:34 pm

heheh i mostly use TD's especially hetzers and JPZ4 in support of infantry to kill tanks?? in the open another tank in woods urban or shatterd woods ENGINEERS!! a satchel or flametrower and they go BOOOOM

Gen.Hoepner · Post by **Gen.Hoepner** » Wed Mar 20, 2002 10:59 pm

Well,for me the panther.It's perfect:fast,reliable,easy to handle,even easy to product(with Albert Speer on your side^__^),and its 75mm long barreled gun is one of the best gun of the war.Probably in the western front this was the King of the field

rlc27 · Post by **rlc27** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 12:26 am

Which is the best? Hard to say--each AFV is meant for different circumstances, and each will perish if not accompanied and supported by infantry and artillery.

If I had to pick an overall favorite given favorable armor terrain like steppe, I'd say the Panther A or G, combining as they did many good overall characteristics, including speed, firepower, armor. For defensive battles, give me the keys to a King Tiger any day. Jagdtigers are good on defense but reload rather slowly and carry limited ammo--I think I'd rather have a Ferdinand or an Elefant; better yet a Jagdpanther, which looks cool in addition to being able to take care of just about anything it runs into.

I'm also a big fan of KV-1, which was really Russia's Tiger before there was such a thing. Like Matildas too, they're just so sssslow and the main gun stinks.

V-man · Post by **V-man** » Thu Mar 21, 2002 4:06 am

Originally posted by Saviola
Which AFV(except Maus) do you think is the most powerful available during WWII?

JagdTiger

King Tiger

Elefant

JS-3

or others...?
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Panther, late model, say the "D" model...

Fast, reliable, *good* gun...

Which AFV is the king?

Which AFV is the king?

The PZ 39H RAK from the Czech OOB rules!

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