Stldiver US vs Zemke4 Jap Nik Mod Modified

[stldiver]

I bombarded to check Ichang two days ago and Patrick responded with a Shock attack. We damaged his troops very well. 60 miles SW of Ichang he pushes my division out with his division. All else is pretty quiet except usual poundings at Akyab area, PI.

His Submarine bagged a DD on the australian coast.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/18/42
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Day Air attack on 83rd Chinese Corps, at 46,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 8
Ki-30 Ann x 11
Ki-51 Sonia x 73
Ki-21 Sally x 20

Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 40 One would hope they would have done more damage vs 8 Tojo's

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 4 destroyed, 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
123 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Day Air attack on 21st UK Mtn Art Regiment, at 30,28

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 9
G4M1 Betty x 59

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 7th Armoured Tank Brigade, at 30,28

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 6
G4M1 Betty x 27

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 4

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Day Air attack on TF, near Adak Island at 98,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
A6M3 Zero x 7
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 20

Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
PG Aso Maru

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Sub attack at 47,109

Japanese Ships
SS I-32, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD John D. Edwards, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Sunk
DD Whipple
PG Swan
DD Edsall
DD Alden

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Ground combat at Ichang

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 64399 troops, 762 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1338

Defending force 70379 troops, 438 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1863

Japanese max assault: 1366 - adjusted assault: 233 [:D]

Allied max defense: 1936 - adjusted defense: 1337

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
2914 casualties reported [;)]
Guns lost 131

Allied ground losses:
197 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9371 troops, 71 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1711

Defending force 72029 troops, 650 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1185


Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3167 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1356

Defending force 244102 troops, 2508 guns, 600 vehicles, Assault Value = 4952


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/19/42
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TF 8 encounters mine field at Adak Island (98,36) These mines were just dropped off the day before

Japanese Ships
DD Yayoi, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage [:D]

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Day Air attack on 20th Chinese Corps, at 52,28 This is Chengting

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Day Air attack on 11th PA Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 10
Ki-21 Sally x 30
Ki-49 Helen x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 14 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 8 damaged


Allied ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on 31st PA Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 2
Ki-21 Sally x 25
Ki-49 Helen x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on 7th Armoured Tank Brigade, at 30,28

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 18
G4M1 Betty x 86

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
404 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 16

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Day Air attack on TF, near Adak Island at 98,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
A6M3 Zero x 4
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 15

Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Norfolk Island at 60,119

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 18
G4M1 Betty x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
ML Krakatau, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
ML Rigel, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Sinks

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Ground combat at 47,34 60 miles SW Ichang

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 17125 troops, 188 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 353

Defending force 8050 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 202

Japanese max assault: 378 - adjusted assault: 198

Allied max defense: 202 - adjusted defense: 46

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
321 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9413 troops, 71 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1720

Defending force 72048 troops, 655 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 1190



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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3187 troops, 73 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1363

Defending force 241335 troops, 2520 guns, 603 vehicles, Assault Value = 4967

[Zemke]

I modified the Nik mod, thus the name, as I have posted before.  I did so because I felt the plane maneuverabiltiy ratings were not accurate, nor have I seen any of the mods that I think got it right.  I am basing this own my own flight sim experience flying IL-2 Pacific Fighter online, which frankly I think has an excellent flight model, its not perfect, but very good.  From that I used a data miner program that has all planes from IL-2 PF maneuverabiltity in radius of turn per sec at best speed, top speed at all altitudes, climb rate at all altitudes, max dive speed and so on.  I took the best speed at one altitude for all planes and used that data, I took the best turn rate per sec, and lacking a real reference I doubled the number for each plane and used that for manueverability.  I feel the Zero was vastly more maneuverable that any comtemperory fight of the day.  American fighters designers were not as concered with maneuverability as they were with durability and speed.  I may have set the maneuverabiltiy too high, but if dropped below 37 for the Zero, then all planes would come down also.  I could do a little math and adjust the ratings of all planes down proportionally, but, I don't think anyone else will be playing my mod, it is not out on any public website and was done for my own enjoyment. 

I think he lost so many planes because of pilot experence, and the Zero is more maneuverable than a Hurricane.  I did lose almost everyone, so I was hurt far more than he was in the long run.

Other "modifications"  I rounded all transports to an even numbers, for example Nik has the Japanese small transports at 750, I made them an even 1000 to so I could add them up easier and faster.  I was not that concerned with accuracy as I was playabilty and I figured the stock small transports were higher anyway, so why not just make it easy to count, but still have them smaller than stock as was Nik's intent.  I increased the support in a Division a bit, as a Division is a self supporting "mini army" if you will.  I increased Allied fighter production, I decreased the number of Japan Pilots in the starting pools by 1/3 from Nik, I increased pilots for some of the Allied nations, while decreasing the starting experience of the Dutch, China, Commonwealth Pilots, and Indian Pilots.  I changed the bomb accuracy of level bombers, I increased the number of bombs a level bomber holds back to stock.  I changed the Japan Air Support Base units a little, adding a security element and more support.  Anyway I did a lot, it was a lot of work, and now we are playing it.  I would be happy to send a copy to anyone who wants it.  If you like Japan you will like most of the changes, if your are an Allied fan you may not, just be warned.

As for the War, errr game China is a pain, but not my main effort never has been, so we continue to get pushed around there some.  Never seen China so strong.  PI conquest is under way, stopped all bombing, and will move the air else where, need to rest all my air.  My Carriers are hurting badly from the HI attack, lost too many pilots hitting HI again, for little result.  They also need rest in port, as they have been on operation almost the entire game, with brief stops in port.

The Alaskian Campaign is winding down, and it makes a great area to stage raids on his shipping lanes, and I am sure is forcing him to garrison the western US coast.  Burma is same, except he was kicked out of Akyab, frankly I think he wanted me to attack so he would be given a boot along the road back to India.  Why he attacked this early I have no idea, but it was expensive in AK and APs.  I have taken losses in AK and AP shipping, but frankly Japan has so much shipping that it would take five times those loses to cause any effect in my ability to move units or supplies around.  He continues with his sub mining my harbors operations, I find it a bit gamey, but oh well we never made a rule against it.  So I have tried it to, but just don't have that many subs to risk.  I am generally pleased with how things have gone so far.  The purpose of the Alaskian Operation was to estiblish a forward area to base CV from where I can raid American shipping and the west coast.  America is the biggest threat to Japan, and the more I can hurt or slow her down the better I will be.  Everywhere else the war cannot be won, nor likely to be lost.  Burma is not decisive to me as long as I can hold him where he is at, Austrialia is a Red Herring leading to lots of losses for no gain.  I have enought supplies, oil and resources to keep everything running.  Now it is a matter of preparing the islands for defense, and slowing the US as much as possible.  The US is down two Carriers so that will delay him more than anything, and trust me if I can find other US Carriers, I will do my best to sink them also.  But each day I can feel the Allies growing stronger and stronger, so we prepare for the Allied counter offensive with the goal to make each landing a nightmare! I am not finished with offensive operations, and will take advantage of oppertunities as they present themselves.

[Nemo121]

Zemke,
 
Yes I read of your use of Pacific Fighters ( I think you said you used IL 2 Compare, correct?) --- I'd be interested if you could give links on that as I got IL2 1946 for Xmas and have Pacific Fighters etc and would be interested in looking at the data--- and think it is a very interesting approach.
 
I think that in REALITY your approach would be perfect for arriving at relative performances. Unfortunately we have to work within the game code and in the game code there is a "knee" at 36 manoeuvrability. If you just take the highest manoeuvrability plane you have ( probably either the Ki-27 or Ki-43 but possibly the Zero ) and apply a K factor such that its manoeuvrability is brought down to 36 AND apply that K factor to every other plane in the game, consistently, then I think you'll have a flight model which works extremely well within the confines of the game also.
 
In addition the durability also has unanticipated consequences and you may want to reduce that significantly also... Are you suffering lots of ops losses?
 
This is offered in the spirit of constructive feedback as opposed to ripping your work to shreds... It took me a long time to figure out the weirdnesses of the game and, even still, recently we have found out a lot of info about slots used for radars and HOW upgrades work which hadn't been known by either the CHS or RHS teams... so all modders are on a continual learning curve.

[stldiver]

I am combining the last 4 days due to low level of activity.
On the 20th my PT achieved a mid sea intercept. I saw him heading NW and set for 120 miles to NW and it worked for a night attack. On the 21st the dutch sub SSXVII bags one AK heading to Rangoon, 15th BF fished out of the water.

The biggest news in PI on the 22nd he shocked attacked, it was 0 to 1 but knocked down the fort to 5.

In Burma he pushed my tired division out at 2 to 1 odds. I will be back [8D]. He has moved 5 units there and 3 more along the road 60 miles SW.

In China he marched 9 units to Hunan, and I have about 7 there. At Changsa still the same units there as before. At Ichang I pulled my divisions back from the city.
In Chengting he has moved units along the road from the SW towards Chengting and has moved 11 units NW of Peking. I am starting to send feelers out.

On the subs and minlaying I learned this from other AAR's and really did not consider it gamey as It was used in the war. Patrick has responded with a lot of MSW up with his forces now. If he feels strongly I will reduce it to just the minlaying subs. His call. I am easy going, although these super zeros are killing me and I think the durability should be lowered a bit. But alas one cannot truly tell till the war is fought out.

Patrick ran a group of DD's to Norfolk and caught a TF unloading, fortunatly the MSW Lithgow gaves it all, and ony 1 transport and some troops were really damaged. We need more brave soldiers like this. On the land my division doesn't seem to have the pop so I have changed its leader and will rest it the next 4 days.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/20/42
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Night Time Surface Combat at 42,52

Japanese Ships
AP Aikoku Maru
AP Hakusan Maru
AP Izumo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire Mid sea intercept

Allied Ships
PT PT-44
PT PT-48
PT PT-59
PT PT-60
PT PT-61

Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10257 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 330

Defending force 2744 troops, 11 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 77

Allied max assault: 196 - adjusted assault: 60 Low number for prepped and supplied division.

Japanese max defense: 64 - adjusted defense: 46

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
253 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/21/42

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Sub attack at 23,42

Japanese Ships
AK Glasgow Maru, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Sinks, surface strike

Allied Ships
SS KXVII

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9972 troops, 44 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 306

Defending force 2529 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 65

Allied max assault: 158 - adjusted assault: 56

Japanese max defense: 56 - adjusted defense: 21

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 Not sure why this division is not attacking better, but will rest for 4 day and begin again, have changed the leader

Japanese ground losses:
132 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/22/42

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TF 137 troops unloading over beach at Benkolen, 18,56


Japanese ground losses:
150 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 251432 troops, 2730 guns, 606 vehicles, Assault Value = 5159

Defending force 70657 troops, 524 guns, 105 vehicles, Assault Value = 1329

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Japanese max assault: 4931 - adjusted assault: 2633

Allied max defense: 1384 - adjusted defense: 7437

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 5)


Japanese ground losses:
4139 casualties reported
Guns lost 153
Vehicles lost 15

Allied ground losses:
2670 casualties reported
Guns lost 49
Vehicles lost 5


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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34543 troops, 250 guns, 205 vehicles, Assault Value = 770

Defending force 15773 troops, 136 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 179

Japanese max assault: 727 - adjusted assault: 462

Allied max defense: 173 - adjusted defense: 189

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
513 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
307 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/23/42

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Norfolk Island at 60,119 DD raid at Norfolk MSW Lithgow gives its all

Japanese Ships
DD Uzuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Hatakaze
DD Asanagi
DD Minekaze
DD Akikaze
DD Shiokaze

Allied Ships
MSW Lithgow, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AK Latouche
AK Empire Hunter, Shell hits 3
AK Empire Bell, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Talthibius, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Belawan
AP Le Maire, Shell hits 1


Allied ground losses:
230 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8342 troops, 289 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4812

Defending force 66990 troops, 411 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 1234


Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

[stldiver]

Well I would say little happened this turn but over 70 of my planes are down, for about 14 of Patricks, they died providing cover for the Landbased bombers from Anchorage, some ships were hit, some men are dead, but probably not worth 70 planes.

The good news is Patrick did two deliberate attacks vs Homan, the first was 1 to 1 and knocked the fort to 8, the second was 0 to 1. He probably won't be able to take it with the current forces.

Patrick also moved more troops across the River NW of Changsa and shocked, it was a 1 to 1 attack. I will have to address this.

Once again I am only showing reports of ship hits, or if heavy air to air, the minor stuff is just background noise.
In PI he still bombards.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/24/42
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Legaspi at 44,55

Japanese Ships
DD Inazuma
DD Yuzuki
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
PT PT-44
PT PT-48
PT PT-59, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
PT PT-60
PT PT-61, Shell hits 16, and is sunk

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 9
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3
B-17E Fortress x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Shojin Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Suez Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
A6M3 Zero x 9
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AP Ayatosan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
A6M3 Zero x 9
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 34
P-40E Warhawk x 16
B-26B Marauder x 11
B-17E Fortress x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 30 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 8 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 3 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Nissen Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Tatsutake Maru
AP Teizui Maru
AP Tatuta Maru, Bomb hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
AP Nissen Maru, Bomb hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
197 casualties reported [:)]
Guns lost 3
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
A6M3 Zero x 8
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 19

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Tacoma Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 132446 troops, 1712 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2773

Defending force 48066 troops, 346 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1210

Japanese max assault: 2769 - adjusted assault: 953

Allied max defense: 1286 - adjusted defense: 666

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 9)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 8 [:(]


Japanese ground losses:
4249 casualties reported
Guns lost 117
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
566 casualties reported
Guns lost 18

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/25/42

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 9
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 13

Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 18
P-40E Warhawk x 10
B-26B Marauder x 5
B-17E Fortress x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 5 destroyed, 3 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Nissen Maru #2
AP Tatuta Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AP Teizui Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
109 casualties reported [:'(]
Guns lost 5

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kodiak at 108,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 7
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 16

Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 5
B-17E Fortress x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Taki Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Yamagiku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 217934 troops, 2548 guns, 58 vehicles, Assault Value = 4899

Defending force 67131 troops, 427 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 1240



Allied ground losses:
220 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Homan

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 127053 troops, 1533 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 2789

Defending force 47281 troops, 325 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1198

Japanese max assault: 1611 - adjusted assault: 280

Allied max defense: 1267 - adjusted defense: 1311

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
3303 casualties reported
Guns lost 81
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
935 casualties reported
Guns lost 7


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Ground combat at 46,35

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 74585 troops, 875 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3619

Defending force 76490 troops, 359 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1622

Japanese max assault: 1752 - adjusted assault: 625

Allied max defense: 1682 - adjusted defense: 883

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 [:'(]

Japanese ground losses:
3508 casualties reported [:)]
Guns lost 67

Allied ground losses:
292 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

[Zemke]

HAPPY NEW YEAR

[Zemke]

Nemo,
I can do that, but I don't understand why if you INCREASE DURABILITY you get higher losses, can someone explain that?  I guess my next work over of this should be get Zero's or whaterver plane I see as the most maneuverable and set it at 36 and make that a base line then drop everything else proportionally down.  I can also drop durabiltiy back to original Nik Mod ratings.  I also think I am going to decrese level bomber accurracy more, maybe by half again, as I am seeing far too many level bomber hits on ships underway, which is completly unrealistic, as they were never designed to hit ships.  B-17 had to drop a 1000 bombs to get one on a factory, from records of bomber accuracy in Europe, so it certainly could not hit a ship moving.  If anyone has any data to support B-17s hitting ships underway I would sure like to see it, because if they did it was un-common or rare.  I think for my next game a good house rule would be a level bomber min cap of 10,000ft.  That would cut it down the hits also, while still allowing for some good effects on land bases.  But these games take so long to play it could be years before I play a new one.
As for IL-2 Compare 3.04 version, I got it off a flight sim buddy of mine.  I never could find it on line, but he did.  There are several versions of the same program, the author updates it when a new IL-2 patch comes out.  The data will most like not be perfect for the new IL-2 46, as the author usually takes some months to create the next version for each new patch, but I have heard from my flight sim buddies at 334th Squadron, (of which I am a member) that 46 is not much different except some new planes from 1946, the older planes are the same, so if you can find IL-2 Compare 3.04 it should be ok, or I can e-mail it to you.  Be advised that I am NOT flying on-line now, as I am deployed with the USA in Afghanistan, and the internet connection here is very slow.  But if you drop my name at the 334th web site they all know me, and should be happy to help.
http://334theaglesquadron.com/portal/

[Nemo121]

Zemke,
 
The closest I can come to an explanation is to just state that that is what gameplay and testing shows. It is obviously hard-coded and based on the durabilities given planes in the stock game in order to model ops losses and readiness ( particularly for four-engined bombers). When the durabilities change significantly in mods this hard-code begins effecting plane types it shouldn't. Beyond this I haven't looked.
 
 
As to accuracy: Actually accuracy has very little to do with whether the bomb will hit the target or not. Whether a bomb will hit or not is a hard-coded thing and for a level bomber at 6000 feet of 80 Exp works out at suspiciously close to 1% --- I ran over 51,000 sorties and ended up with something like 1.06% bomb hits with the 6000 foot level bombers.

What accuracy mostly does is effects how much damage a near miss does. Essentially with 100% accuracy far more misses will be so close as to still cause damage. This particularly nerfs attacks against ground targets.
 
I've fiddled around with accuracy for PGMs to create some very powerful PGMs which almost always get a near miss if they fail to hit and had to reduce the accuracy somewhat in order to prevent them being too devastating.

[stldiver]

Not much happened today, it the Naval war, Patrick bagged S-45 at Kwaleign, it was pounded quite frequently. One of its brethren SS Grayling hit a TK in the Aluetians with 2 torps (no duds) and some gunfire.

The main actions was two ground attacks. Once again NW of Changsa Patrick is trying to push those troops out. He achieves a 1-1 the first time but 0-1 the second. A lot of Japanese troops and guns are lost!

In Manila he deliberates again the first day at 0-1 but knocks forts down to 4, over 7k casualties for his troops. Nice one for the PI defenders, the second day he only bombards as the stuffing was kicked out of him initially.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/26/42

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ASW attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
PG Kaiun Maru
PG Ikunta Maru
PG Fukui Maru
PG Daido Maru
DD Hibiki
DD Oshio

Allied Ships
SS S-45, hits 1

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Day Air attack on Sasebo 5th SNLF, at 60,119


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 41 Had to bring the heavies to work Norfolk jungle defenders


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 140th IJA Base Force, at 86,112


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 9


Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Sub attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Sonan Maru #6
PC Sonan Maru #5
PG Toyotsu Maru
PG Nagata Maru
PG Kantori Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-45, hits 3

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ASW attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
PG Kaiun Maru
PG Ikunta Maru
PG Fukui Maru
PG Daido Maru
DD Hibiki
DD Oshio

Allied Ships
SS S-45, hits 5, on fire, heavy damage Sinks


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 247184 troops, 2570 guns, 594 vehicles, Assault Value = 4975

Defending force 67021 troops, 446 guns, 103 vehicles, Assault Value = 1234

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese max assault: 4726 - adjusted assault: 2308

Allied max defense: 1224 - adjusted defense: 5729

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 4)


Japanese ground losses:
7189 casualties reported[:D]
Guns lost 155
Vehicles lost 20

Allied ground losses:
2097 casualties reported
Guns lost 59
Vehicles lost 4


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Ground combat at 46,35

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 165279 troops, 1607 guns, 19 vehicles, Assault Value = 3435

Defending force 76185 troops, 353 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1603

Japanese max assault: 2613 - adjusted assault: 1522

Allied max defense: 1659 - adjusted defense: 1252

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
4527 casualties reported [:'(]
Guns lost 113
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
1953 casualties reported
Guns lost 39

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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 15412 troops, 98 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 333

Defending force 2056 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Allied max assault: 580 - adjusted assault: 227

Japanese max defense: 30 - adjusted defense: 5

Allied assault odds: 45 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported [&:]

Allied ground losses:
277 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/27/42

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Sub attack at 94,35

Japanese Ships
TK Ken'yo Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage [:)]

Allied Ships
SS Grayling

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Day Air attack on Sasebo 5th SNLF, at 60,119

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 35

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported


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ASW attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships These guys never quite, they pick on anther S boat
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Sonan Maru #6
PC Sonan Maru #5
PG Toyotsu Maru
PG Nagata Maru
PG Kantori Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-31, hits 3


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Ground combat at 46,35

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 159308 troops, 1448 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3147

Defending force 73689 troops, 300 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1555

Japanese max assault: 1750 - adjusted assault: 500 Ran out of supply probably

Allied max defense: 1600 - adjusted defense: 838

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
2855 casualties reported
Guns lost 55

Allied ground losses:
1051 casualties reported
Guns lost 22


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8426 troops, 290 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4466

Defending force 64525 troops, 379 guns, 98 vehicles, Assault Value = 1159


Allied ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Norfolk Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 15129 troops, 87 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 310

Defending force 1931 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 49

Allied max assault: 532 - adjusted assault: 176

Japanese max defense: 25 - adjusted defense: 8

Allied assault odds: 22 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
226 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


Yokosuka 5th SNLF Wiped Out at Norfolk Island by attrition!!! [:)]

[stldiver]

Another good day for the allies, even though 57 allied vs 44 Japanese planes are down, the British CV's went within 240 miles of Rangoon on a sneak attack and caught transports just outside the harbor, 3 went down and 2 more likely will. The return strikes from Rangoon all missed, but thats because only a few Kates and Vals launched, his betties he has been sitting, or moved (a chance I took) on the second day the CV's withdrew.

In China, Its really heating up NW of Changsa as Patrick moves another division across the river and shocks my troops on the second day. Of course they hold. I have moved some division towards the crossroad near Homan, he has 2 units in the way, I will bombard tommorrow to check who they are. His 5 divisions at Homan sit idle, must be a supply issue or disruption. Also I have moved some divisions 60 miles SE, then 20 miles NE of Wuhan where he has one unit. Tommorrow I will try and bounce it so I can cut his troops at Wuhan from the railline.

Newly laid minefield at Rabaul scores two hits. this was done by a O class dedicated minelayer, for all the grief patrick is getting I only have the 3 SS dedicated minlayers and about 6 other subs laying mines. All others on other ops, or repair.

He continues to pound Manila, and also some chinese units. He rules the skies.

All else pretty quiet.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/28/42

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TF 206 encounters mine field at Rabaul (61,88)

Japanese Ships
AP Daijukyo Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage [:)]
AP Kaijo Maru #2, Mine hits 1, on fire [:)]

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Day Air attack on 71st PA Division, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 10
Ki-49 Helen x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 6 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 71st PA Division, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 71st PA Division, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 58

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged


Allied ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on 31st USA Regimental Combat Team, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 45th PS Regimental Combat Team, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 42
Ki-49 Helen x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged


Allied ground losses:
198 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 45th PS Regimental Combat Team, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 7 damaged


Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 29,34 AM strike from 3 British CV's

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
A6M3 Zero x 4
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 13

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 30
Albacore x 20
Martlet II x 11
Swordfish x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane Ib: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Martlet II: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
Swordfish: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Konei Maru, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage Sinks Sinks
AK Sagara Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Hitora Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 25,33 Return AM strike from Rangoon

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
A6M3 Zero x 20
D3A Val x 8
B5N Kate x 12
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 33

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 3
Martlet II x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed
D3A Val: 6 destroyed
B5N Kate: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane Ib: 3 destroyed
Martlet II: 32 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Formidable
CV Indomitable
CV Illustrious

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Day Air attack on TF at 27,35 PM strike from British CV's SW of Rangoon


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 15


Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Burma Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage Sinks

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Day Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 29,34 PM strike from British CV's

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
A6M3 Zero x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 11
Albacore x 18
Martlet II x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane Ib: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Albacore: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Martlet II: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Italy Maru
AK Tyoko Maru, Torpedo hits 1
AK England Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage Sinks

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Day Air attack on TF at 25,33 PM return strike from Rangoon

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
A6M3 Zero x 17
D3A Val x 5
B5N Kate x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 28

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 2
Martlet II x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B5N Kate: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane Ib: 2 destroyed
Martlet II: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Illustrious
DD Encounter


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 61681 troops, 800 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 4900

Defending force 64168 troops, 385 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 1153



Allied ground losses:
427 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 57581 troops, 431 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1767

Defending force 72737 troops, 647 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1235


Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/29/42


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Ground combat at 46,35 60 miles NW of Changsa, another Jap division crosses river

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 25236 troops, 267 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3487

Defending force 72381 troops, 262 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1548

Japanese max assault: 568 - adjusted assault: 408

Allied max defense: 1489 - adjusted defense: 1187

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
654 casualties reported
Guns lost 18

Allied ground losses:
551 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 57762 troops, 430 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1777

Defending force 72752 troops, 648 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1241


Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3069 troops, 67 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1148

Defending force 264749 troops, 2603 guns, 598 vehicles, Assault Value = 4961


Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported

[stldiver]

The last two days of May 1942 are highlighted by ground combat and my LBA moving back to Dutch Harbor and playing with the local shipping.

I moved B-17's and B-26's back to Dutch Harbor and launched naval strikes. Nothing to change the war effort but scratch one APB, and one Ak, and several others damaged, Patrick has to supply forces around here, so I expect an attack on Dutch to try and neutralize this threat. He has over 106 ships at Kiska at the far end of the Aluetians.

Speaking of Kiska, the SS Argonaught (you know one of those minelayer subs) deposited a package the other day and while Patricks MSW sweep most of the field another AK hits a mine for Heavy damage.

Manila gets hit again with heavy air and the Japanese follow up with 2 days of Deliberate attacks, Day one 0-1 day 2 1-2 fort level is down to 3. The end is coming closer. But the defenders are very tough.

In China, 60 miles NW Changsa Patrick shock attacks and gets 1 to 1, he almost achieves 2 to 1, this is going to be close.

Near Wuhan, my division shock attack and only achieve 1 to 1 the first day vs the 22nd division but on the second day they get 4 to 1 odds and route the division to 60 miles SW of Wuhan. The road to Canton is almost open, but there are 2 other units know with that division, we shall see what his backup support is.

Near the crossroads of Homan, I bombard to only find one SNLF, and 1 tank, they will be pushed aside tommrrow. One disturbing development, Patrick has 2 units move back into Chengting, and 7 others 60 miles away. I will have to decide which direction to go, Cutoff his troops at Homan, or Defend Chengting, maybe both [:D]

A thurseday Island a fasttransport group, pulls of the 5th SNLF, It was a very tough little bugger but the 7th Aussie division is battle hardened now.

Here are the highlights enjoy, I am.
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/30/42

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TF 76 encounters mine field at Kiska Island (92,35)

Japanese Ships
AK Shingetsu Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage [:D] SS Argonaughts little presents

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Day Air attack on TF at 104,36 LBA moved back to dutch and hits shipping in area


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Tamagawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Adak Island at 98,36 LBA moved back to dutch and hits shipping in area


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 24


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
APD APD-31, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APD APD-33, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Adak Island at 98,36


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Koyu Maru
AK Malacca Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 97,35


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 4


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Kenzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 265730 troops, 2612 guns, 601 vehicles, Assault Value = 5013

Defending force 64106 troops, 404 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 1155

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese max assault: 4942 - adjusted assault: 3450 Close to 1 to 1

Allied max defense: 1103 - adjusted defense: 4285

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)


Japanese ground losses:
6509 casualties reported
Guns lost 106
Vehicles lost 27

Allied ground losses:
2312 casualties reported
Guns lost 69
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at 46,35 60 miles NW Changsa

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 180085 troops, 1549 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 3488

Defending force 71848 troops, 265 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1555

Japanese max assault: 2663 - adjusted assault: 2189 Close to 2 to 1 [:(]

Allied max defense: 1545 - adjusted defense: 1188

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
3396 casualties reported [:)]
Guns lost 56
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
2401 casualties reported
Guns lost 35


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Ground combat at Homan Testing his strength

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8090 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1217

Defending force 137818 troops, 1611 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 2691



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Ground combat at 43,39 On railline SE then 60 miles NE of Wuhan, vs 22nd division it holds

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 72346 troops, 558 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2154

Defending force 22054 troops, 255 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 471

Allied max assault: 4450 - adjusted assault: 1505

Japanese max defense: 502 - adjusted defense: 1149

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
410 casualties reported
Guns lost 13

Allied ground losses:
2335 casualties reported
Guns lost 72


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Ground combat at Wuchow

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 57872 troops, 430 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1787

Defending force 72838 troops, 644 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1248


Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Ground combat at 51,30 Checking defense, 1 tank, 1 SNLF should have shocked

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7951 troops, 57 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1647

Defending force 3752 troops, 12 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 125


Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1


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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2950 troops, 63 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1073

Defending force 256728 troops, 2368 guns, 573 vehicles, Assault Value = 4548


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/31/42

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Day Air attack on Sasebo 5th SNLF, at 60,119 He pulls unit out with fast transports at end of day


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 19


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 11th PA Division, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 32
Ki-49 Helen x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 12 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 15 damaged


Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Day Air attack on 11th PA Division, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged


Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 2nd PA Division, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 16
Ki-49 Helen x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 6 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged


Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

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Day Air attack on 2nd PA Division, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged


Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 31st USA Regimental Combat Team, at 43,52 Manila

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 9 damaged


Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Day Air attack on TF at 102,37 LBA from Dutch Harbor vs shipping in Aluetians


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Tamagawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 97,35


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 4
B-17E Fortress x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
APD APD-31, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage Sinks
APD APD-33

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Day Air attack on TF at 101,38


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Tokusima Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 97,35


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Malacca Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage Sinks
AK Koyu Maru

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Day Air attack on TF, near Atka Island at 98,37


Allied aircraft
B-26B Marauder x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Udo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire


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Ground combat at 46,35 Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 176372 troops, 1445 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 3306

Defending force 68798 troops, 224 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1511

Japanese max assault: 2013 - adjusted assault: 888

Allied max defense: 1524 - adjusted defense: 749

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
2363 casualties reported [:)]
Guns lost 103

Allied ground losses:
1473 casualties reported
Guns lost 35


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8288 troops, 279 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4612

Defending force 60332 troops, 301 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 1064



Allied ground losses:
163 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at 43,39 On railline SE of Wuhan the 60 miles NE, vs 22nd division it routs

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 69602 troops, 453 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1954

Defending force 21518 troops, 227 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 453

Allied max assault: 3282 - adjusted assault: 1558

Japanese max defense: 388 - adjusted defense: 339

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1


Japanese ground losses: 22nd division won't be combat ready for a few days
384 casualties reported
Guns lost 28

Allied ground losses:
737 casualties reported
Guns lost 28

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

[stldiver]

There were some bombings and some air battles but the two most significant actions was the Ground forces.

The Japanese attacked at Manila again at 0 to 1 and reduce the fort to 2 but at a high cost. For those non believers, defend Manila not Bataan.

In China on June 1st the Corps 60 miles from the crossroads retreat the SNLF and tank rgt at 15-1 odds.
On June 2nd the Japanese try to shock the Chinese moving 60 miles SE of Wuhan and suffer horrible losses, don't they know that most of the chinese troops are turning into battled vetrans!

The AVG proves pretty useless vs Oscars and Tojos, I believe thier manuverability is in the 40's I will post tommorrow the stats and position of forces for the last two months. I have also looked deeper into the changes that Patrick has made to the airplanes and its not good for the allies. Nates have manuverabilities close to 50. Didn't know they were that good in his computer simulation.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/01/42

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Night Time Surface Combat at 43,49 The Manila PT's are almost all gone, wrong mid ocean intercept

Japanese Ships
CA Kako, Shell hits 3
CL Isuzu
CL Natori
DD Maikaze
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
PT PT-44, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT PT-48, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT PT-60


Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36 He trying to neutralize Dutch

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 15
Ki-49 Helen x 48

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 6 destroyed, 36 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-26B Marauder: 2 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 1000 feet
18 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 1000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 1000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 1000 feet

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 259360 troops, 2412 guns, 582 vehicles, Assault Value = 4691

Defending force 60366 troops, 312 guns, 98 vehicles, Assault Value = 1068

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese max assault: 2901 - adjusted assault: 1426

Allied max defense: 957 - adjusted defense: 4393

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 2)


Japanese ground losses:
6406 casualties reported
Guns lost 85
Vehicles lost 24

Allied ground losses:
1802 casualties reported
Guns lost 39
Vehicles lost 3


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Ground combat at 51,30

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 54612 troops, 399 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1647

Defending force 3752 troops, 12 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 125

Allied max assault: 1582 - adjusted assault: 864

Japanese max defense: 129 - adjusted defense: 56

Allied assault odds: 15 to 1 [;)]


Japanese ground losses:
515 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 11

Allied ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/02/42

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Day Air attack on 55th Chinese Corps, at 46,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36
Ki-51 Sonia x 4
Ki-21 Sally x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 89th Chinese Corps, at 46,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 5
Ki-30 Ann x 7
Ki-51 Sonia x 57
Ki-21 Sally x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
145 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at 43,40 60 miles SE Wuhan, so 60 miles from Canton [:'(]

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 15276 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 824

Defending force 55979 troops, 351 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1519

Japanese max assault: 390 - adjusted assault: 3 [:D]

Allied max defense: 1564 - adjusted defense: 943

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
4099 casualties reported [:D]
Guns lost 85

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8368 troops, 285 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4329

Defending force 57238 troops, 258 guns, 97 vehicles, Assault Value = 1001


Allied ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Chengting

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8355 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1145

Defending force 75478 troops, 846 guns, 21 vehicles, Assault Value = 1654 We should hold vs this force

[stldiver]

Land combat once again dominates the last two days, with Manila suffering another 0-1 attack but fort levels come down to 1, the end is near.

In China, the Japanese Launch against Chengting and achieve 1 to 1 with a fort reduction on the first day, but 0 - 1 on the second, so it holds for the moment. I don't believe he has enough steam and you will see I have forces that tommorrow will cut off his retreat.

The SS Tambor hits a TK heading to Kiska, it was loaded with fuel, not much will arrive as it was burning. He has over 100 ships at kiska, I imagine they be wanting some fuel.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/03/42
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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 253632 troops, 2296 guns, 561 vehicles, Assault Value = 4386

Defending force 56447 troops, 256 guns, 92 vehicles, Assault Value = 999

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1 [:(]

Japanese max assault: 2745 - adjusted assault: 2024 Getting close to 1 to 1

Allied max defense: 885 - adjusted defense: 3641

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1)


Japanese ground losses:
3374 casualties reported
Guns lost 86
Vehicles lost 9

Allied ground losses:
2361 casualties reported
Guns lost 32
Vehicles lost 3


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Ground combat at Chengting

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 75456 troops, 846 guns, 20 vehicles, Assault Value = 1647

Defending force 48211 troops, 345 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1156

Japanese max assault: 1702 - adjusted assault: 1173

Allied max defense: 1233 - adjusted defense: 795

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1 [:(]


Japanese ground losses:
3804 casualties reported [:)]
Guns lost 98
Vehicles lost 4

Allied ground losses:
345 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/04/42

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Sub attack at 90,35

Japanese Ships
TK Moji Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire [;)]

Allied Ships
SS Tambor

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 14
Ki-49 Helen x 29

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 5 destroyed, 19 damaged

Allied aircraft losses


Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

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Ground combat at Chengting

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 70376 troops, 724 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 1426

Defending force 56244 troops, 405 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1440 Reinforcements, came just in time

Japanese max assault: 773 - adjusted assault: 412

Allied max defense: 1476 - adjusted defense: 614

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1) [:)]


Japanese ground losses:
3541 casualties reported [:)]
Guns lost 55
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
268 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8352 troops, 284 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4246

Defending force 52505 troops, 219 guns, 87 vehicles, Assault Value = 912



Allied ground losses:
229 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Chengting

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8292 troops, 68 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1430

Defending force 65368 troops, 627 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 1197



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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2889 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 908

Defending force 250948 troops, 2201 guns, 556 vehicles, Assault Value = 4246


Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported

[stldiver]

This is the current area, under Japanese control June 4th 1942

In the war so far, I gave up ground to early, as this is my second PBEM, I am learning. The only 2 stands that I held was Dutch Harbor in the Aluetians and Fiji Islands, both places he pulled his divisions out after they landed and were damaged. The air war is definatly in Patricks favor as he significantly upgraded all the Japanese planes, to compensate he increased production of early Allied fighters, but that just means more for him to shoot down, as even outnumbering him 2 to 1 with good experiance, I get thrashed. We will have to see how the later generation allied planes do.

In the Aluetians he controls all but Dutch, he even has Nome, I did not expect the force he brought into this area. This has allowed the KB to swing south silently and they caught the CV Enterprise and many transports. Since it has been several weeks, I will state that the CV Lexington was also within 5 hexes of the Japanese CV when the Enterprise was hit (not the same location) but was not detected luckily.

In the south seas, he captured thurseday island but I have since relanded a division and recaptured this little wasteland.

SRA is completly controlled by the Japanese, and all the PI but the Manila defenders barly hold on. They may not see the end of the week.

In Burma, my invasion of Akyab was repulsed. He flew in a division very quickly. He has not advanced on Mandalay yet.

In China, the ground battles have been fierce I have captured Nanchang, and lost it. He surrounded over 10 units, I rescued them. I then captured Chengting, he is currently trying to take that back. At changsa, he is trying to force his way around it to block the road, but the land war has been dragging out. He moved to Homan and knocked the forts to 8 but has not attacked since. In Wuchow its a stalemate, but I just recently sent troops to relieve the stress and they have bounced two divisions and tommorrow will try to push them back into Canton.

So overall both sides can claim success. In ships I have lost 2 CV's, (Enterprise, Saratoga) 2 CA's and some CL,s, while Patrick only has lost 1 BB Hyuga, and 1 CL. Most damage in shipping has been AP's and AK's The allies have lost 18 AP's, 74 AK's, Japanese have lost 35 AP's and 42 AK's. 8 allied subs and 13 japanese subs are also making permanent homes on the bottom.

A very enjoyable game so far, but I do believe the changes to the Japanese aircraft my be too much. We shall see.

[stldiver]

Here is the score June 4th 1942

[stldiver]

Here are the highest scoring ships sunk so far in the war.

[stldiver]

Highest losses so far. Remember Patrick has significantly upgraded the Manueverability and durability of the Japanese planes

[Zemke]

I increased all planes durability not just Japanese planes, and planes that had high maneuverability based on results of IL-2 Compare got increases, but not all, some planes lost maneuverability. I have the same results with kills in other games as this time frame. Frankly the Allies should not be doing as well as the Japanese at this stage of the war. The Allies will only start getting lots of kills with planes as their pilot experience increases and the last experienced Japanese pilots are slowly killed off, which if the Japaese player manages his pilots, can extentend that time out well into 42. Will better Allied plane models help, yes, of course, but in the end it is pilot experence that counts more than anything.

[Zemke]

Nates have manuverabilities close to 50. Didn't know they were that good in his computer simulation.

Yes Nates are that maneuverable realative to everything else. They are not fast or well armed, but they can turn very well.

[Nemo121]

I'd have to say that from what i've seen I'd agree with the relative ratings... I just think Zemke wasn't aware that he should apply a K value to ensure that the highest manoeuvrability would be 36 with all other planes reduced by the same K.
 
Don't forget that the Nate was quite possibly the tightest-turning plane in the Pacific Theatre with the possible exception of the Polikarpov biplanes. However, in-game the determination of whather or not you get into a firing position has more to do with speed and surprise/radar than it has to do with manoeuvrability.