New Civil War Scenarios for Future Patches

[Artmiser]

One thing to keep in mind when doing that is you have to limit the size of field forces, the rail lines ect could only only supply so many men, this is one of the reason the North, later in the war,  was never able to bring massive armies to the field.  It was able to bring up reinforcements to keep the field forces up to Str.  Not sure how to simulate this.

[Maurym]

How about fictional "what if" type scenario's? Something maybe based on Newt's books...i.e. Lee win's Gettysburg (Union Mill); assault on Washington; Lee attacks Baltimore; Lee face's off against Grant at Fredrick; etc. 

[bubbak]

Total Victory
1861 post FS
1862
1863
1864
what if 1865 CSA winning.
 

[Gil R.]

Total victory is one of the new game options. (Implemented by doubling the number of victory points needed to win -- something only achievable by taking over most of your enemy's territory.) Plus we've got an option that lets you deactivate the rule that gives the South more victory points starting in 1865.

[christof139]

Sounds good. Der Fiend muss total gemush sein!!! Chris

[Gil R.]

ORIGINAL: Maurym

How about fictional "what if" type scenario's? Something maybe based on Newt's books...i.e. Lee win's Gettysburg (Union Mill); assault on Washington; Lee attacks Baltimore; Lee face's off against Grant at Fredrick; etc.

It's an intriguing idea. I haven't read Newt's book (though I should -- everyone on this and other forums seems to like it) so I don't know: roughly what would the post Gettysburg OOB look like?

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: Gil R.

ORIGINAL: Maurym

How about fictional "what if" type scenario's? Something maybe based on Newt's books...i.e. Lee win's Gettysburg (Union Mill); assault on Washington; Lee attacks Baltimore; Lee face's off against Grant at Fredrick; etc.

It's an intriguing idea. I haven't read Newt's book (though I should -- everyone on this and other forums seems to like it) so I don't know: roughly what would the post Gettysburg OOB look like?

A good series of books until the end. I don't want to give away the ending by saying anything else. If I recall corectly the confederate OOB was mostly the same with possibly a few reinforcements, The Union army was partly destroyed and large numbers of reinforcements from the west and newly raised units were added.

[Gil R.]

Maybe you could give away the ending beneath a spoiler alert?

Our (WCS's) top priority will be adding scenarios based on historical situations, but we are not averse to including some what-ifs. If someone out there wants to do up a Gingrich post-Gettysburg scenario and let people test it we'd include it if it passes muster.

[Maurym]

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If I recall corectly the confederate OOB was mostly the same with possibly a few reinforcements, The Union army was partly destroyed and large numbers of reinforcements from the west and newly raised units were added.
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Another difference is what Generals were available. It really depends where you pick things up...after Union Mills (Gettysburg) Meade is dead but Pickett & Co are all intact. After the fall of Baltimore Pickett is a shell (ala Gettysburg)...and so on.

If ya really want to get wild do the Turtledove stuff and bring in the time machine...[:D]

[Gil R.]

Sure, I read that, but was especially curious about which generals die in that book...

[sirduke_slith]

I think Gringrich's senario of a confederate victory at union mills is a excellent idea  for a secnario and should be used to see if the confederacy can win the war despite the ending of Gringrich's trilogy.

[Drex]

I like Marecone's idea about a scenario that leads to a battle like Gettysburg, or Antietam,Shiloh. I remember the old SPI games that I used to play for hours. I know Gil said it would take alot of programming but its an idea for an off-shoot game. would need accurate maps.

[Battleline]

ORIGINAL: Gil R.

Sure, I read that, but was especially curious about which generals die in that book...

Gil,
I don't know whether I was more upset Newt killed off Rodes in the first book or that he spelled him Rhodes.
Battleline

[Gil R.]

That's hilarious. Was it just once, or throughout?

I have to say, some of these generals' names are not easy to spell. Rosecrans is one that I find especially annoying.

[pzpat]

I agree--just ask Gildenstern.  (Sorry for the bad pun, just on edge waiting for the patch--update.)  Is there a readme file attached to the update? 

[Gil R.]

Soon after the update patch goes gold we're going to be turning to scenarios, and trying to provide several more during the spring and summer. Please remember to make suggestions for any scenarios not yet suggested here.

Once you have all had a chance to make suggestions, I'll probably start a poll thread or two to get a sense of which ones are most in demand, and we'll take care of those first.

[christof139]

Soon after the update patch goes gold we're going to be turning to scenarios, and trying to provide several more during the spring and summer. Please remember to make suggestions for any scenarios not yet suggested here.

Once you have all had a chance to make suggestions, I'll probably start a poll thread or two to get a sense of which ones are most in demand, and we'll take care of those first.

Bragg and Kirby Smith's 1862 Kentucky-Tennessee Campaign, maybe to include the earlier Fts. Henry and Donelson Campaign, and the latter Murfreesboro Camapign, with accurate tactical maps.

Since Matrix now has the rights to and is going to rerelease the old TalonSoft games, the TS Chicakamauga game has a good map of Murfreesboro, that wouldn't be hard to copy or convert to an FoF map, and also has maps of Prarie Grove and Wilson's Creek. Pea ridge has been modded for the TS engine, and a map of Pea Ridge is availble free for download at a couple of websites, but the map needs to have the Bentonville Detour road on the north side of Pea Ridge added so the CSA forces can actually make the forced march on that road on the computer screen, and the USA can attempt to stop that flanking movement if the USA player wants to or is aware of it, and in actuality USA forces did block that road with plenty of treefall, thereby slowing down the CSA forces and disrupting Van Dorn's plans.

Also, the 1861 to end of 1862 campagns in Arkansas, Missouri, and Indian territory would be interesting, maybe to mid-1863 when on July 4th, I believe it was, the South was disastorously defeated attempting to recapture USA held and fortified Helena, AK. Battles in this time period are Wilson's Creek, Pea Ridge, Prarie Grove, Fort Smith and area, Arkansas Post/Fort Hindman, and Helena.

Chris

[CeltiCid]

What about a fantasy scenario, where both side have the same number of provinces, cities, resources, incomes and starting forces and experience. No CSA runners or partisans/raiders.

Just like a chess game. Same posibilities to win. Very challenging for both sides i think.

[Gil R.]

So what would be different? Just the armies/generals?

This sounds more like an elaborate mod than a scenario, since I'm not sure how much demand there would be. Also, it would require redrawing the map, which involves countless man-hours. But one could mod the game so that a certain number of northern provinces and cities are given to France, and thus no longer USA territory, which would allow one to have equal numbers of cities and provinces on both sides.

[CeltiCid]

Yes, looks like more a mod than an scenario, since scenarios are true historical based situations.

Are there any kind of application to mod the game?