MWiF Map Review - America

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Most of California and the Colorado River. Note that the great Salt Lake is incomplete only because of missing data.

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The NW corner of the continental 48 states.

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The Great Plains, including the Black Hills ("Thar's gold in them thar hills!").

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I wanted a screen shot of all the Great Lakes. There are map data problems here - they only affect the cosmetic appearance, not game play.

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Some of the western feeder rivers for the Mississippi. These are really famous if you have seen a lot of the western cowboy movies: Red, Brazos, Arkansas, Pecos, and the Platte.

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The western half of the US at zoom level 2.

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The eastern half at zoom level 2.

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12th and last in the series. The whole 48 contiguous states at zoom level 1.

We are now up to 4501 coastal bitmaps and the program runs fine. This means I will have to trim no more that 10 hex rows from the top of the map. Maybe fewer.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

The maps look great and I know the lake coast lines will be fixed soon by Patrice. I only noticed the following:
 
It's hard to see the river between some of the Great Lakes.  Especially between:
* Lake Superior and Lake Huron
* Lake Erie and Lake Ontario
 
These rivers are hidden by the country border lines.

[coregames]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

The western half of the US at zoom level 2.

This looks amazing! I would make small suggestions, but at some point I need to learn to keep my mouth shut. Good work

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen
The maps look great and I know the lake coast lines will be fixed soon by Patrice. I only noticed the following:

It's hard to see the river between some of the Great Lakes.  Especially between:
* Lake Superior and Lake Huron
* Lake Erie and Lake Ontario

These rivers are hidden by the country border lines.

Thanks.

I believe Patrice once asked me to draw the rivers on top of the country borders, but I never got around to it. It is an easy enough change to make and needed in the instances you noted. I'll make it universal.

Oh, it isn't that easy for coastal hexes, because the rivers are drawn onto the bitmaps for those hexes as part of a preprocessing routine (that saves a lot of CPU cycles when drawing the map during play). For now, I'll just draw the rivers on top of the country borders for non-coastal hexes.

[iamspamus]

Hey Steve and Patrice,

Good maps, though it is weird to see the US with no state lines!

Two issues:

1) I think that Portland is not correct on this map. It is bisected by the Columbia River (E -> W river) and the Willammette
(N -> S river). Both rivers flow through it. It just looks weird on the Willammette rather than the main thoroughfare of the Columbia.

2) I wonder if Portland should have a minor port. The Columbia was huge up to that point. See this website:
http://www.usmm.net/armycargo.html
Portland is listed as a "subport" for San Fran til 1944 and then Seattle after that. Just thought I'd point that out.

The website might help with other ports in the US.

Keep up the good work.

Jason

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

The NW corner of the continental 48 states.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

ORIGINAL: iamspamus
2) I wonder if Portland should have a minor port. The Columbia was huge up to that point. See this website:
http://www.usmm.net/armycargo.html
Portland is listed as a "subport" for San Fran til 1944 and then Seattle after that. Just thought I'd point that out.

Portland is an inland hex with no Pacific coast line. Therefore it has no port. E. g. there are several big ports
situated at one of the Great Lakes, but they are not on the map. The reason is that in WIFFE naval units can
travel along rivers from the coast to the lakes. So why have ports if there are no units to use them.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

ORIGINAL: iamspamus
2) I wonder if Portland should have a minor port. The Columbia was huge up to that point. See this website:
http://www.usmm.net/armycargo.html
Portland is listed as a "subport" for San Fran til 1944 and then Seattle after that. Just thought I'd point that out.

Portland is an inland hex with no Pacific coast line. Therefore it has no port. E. g. there are several big ports
situated at one of the Great Lakes, but they are not on the map. The reason is that in WIFFE naval units can
travel along rivers from the coast to the lakes. So why have ports if there are no units to use them.

I believe you meant "cannot travel along rivers".

[Peter Stauffenberg]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

ORIGINAL: iamspamus
2) I wonder if Portland should have a minor port. The Columbia was huge up to that point. See this website:
http://www.usmm.net/armycargo.html
Portland is listed as a "subport" for San Fran til 1944 and then Seattle after that. Just thought I'd point that out.

Portland is an inland hex with no Pacific coast line. Therefore it has no port. E. g. there are several big ports
situated at one of the Great Lakes, but they are not on the map. The reason is that in WIFFE naval units can
travel along rivers from the coast to the lakes. So why have ports if there are no units to use them.

I believe you meant "cannot travel along rivers".

Of course. A stupid typo. ...... [:D]

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

Portland is an inland hex with no Pacific coast line. Therefore it has no port. E. g. there are several big ports
situated at one of the Great Lakes, but they are not on the map. The reason is that in WIFFE naval units can
travel along rivers from the coast to the lakes. So why have ports if there are no units to use them.

I believe you meant "cannot travel along rivers".

Of course. A stupid typo. ...... [:D]

I thought about that, and there is one solution.
The solution would be simply to make the Portland hex technicaly "coastal" to the Pacific Ocean, and so, Portland hex could be a port, and ships based here could exit the port and sail the Pacific.
Any hex, even if not really touching the sea, can be made technicaly "coastal" to any sea area. Paris for example, can be made coastal to the Med if I want.

If the Portland hex is made coastal, then troops can also be loaded and unloaded from here to and from the sea area it is coastal to.
Invasions cannot be done on the Portland hex, because it lacks any all sea hexsides adjacent to any sea area, which is a condition for a hex to be invadable.

So IMO the decision is only a design decision to be taken, by Steve, whether making Portland a port of not.

[Froonp]

1) I think that Portland is not correct on this map. It is bisected by the Columbia River (E -> W river) and the Willammette
(N -> S river). Both rivers flow through it. It just looks weird on the Willammette rather than the main thoroughfare of the Columbia.

As I can't modify the drawing of the rivers, I moved the Portland city icon so that it is at the place where the "P" of Portland is written in the screenshot.

[iamspamus]

ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen

ORIGINAL: iamspamus
2) I wonder if Portland should have a minor port. The Columbia was huge up to that point. See this website:
http://www.usmm.net/armycargo.html
Portland is listed as a "subport" for San Fran til 1944 and then Seattle after that. Just thought I'd point that out.

Portland is an inland hex with no Pacific coast line. Therefore it has no port. E. g. there are several big ports
situated at one of the Great Lakes, but they are not on the map. The reason is that in WIFFE naval units can
travel along rivers from the coast to the lakes. So why have ports if there are no units to use them.

Hey Borger, thanks for the geography lesson on my home city!!! Not meant to be mean...

I figured that I was up against the "that's not the way that it was in Wiffe" syndrome. Which is ok. HOWEVER, on the original map the US was two boxes. On the expanded map it was still a smaller scale than the Pacific map. In the AiF, it was Pacific scale (I believe). So, we've already moved a bit away from "that's not the way that it was in Wiffe".

I disagree with no ships sailing up a river. I am at work, so could only quickly look stuff up. Here is a picture of the battleship Oregon in Portland Harbor.
http://photos.salemhistory.org/cdm4/ite ... 4355&REC=3

(Granted it is from 1910, but is not smaller than a WW2 destroyer, I would think.)

This site talks about the victory ships (connected with names of Kansas of all things) from Portland.
http://www.kancoll.org/khq/1947/47_2_henderson.htm

And the first site I put up talks about Porland being a secondary port for San Fran and then Seattle. So, I don't expect anything to change, but was just pointing out that it COULD.

ORIGINAL: iamspamus

Hey Steve and Patrice,

Good maps, though it is weird to see the US with no state lines!

Two issues:

1) I think that Portland is not correct on this map. It is bisected by the Columbia River (E -> W river) and the Willammette
(N -> S river). Both rivers flow through it. It just looks weird on the Willammette rather than the main thoroughfare of the Columbia.

2) I wonder if Portland should have a minor port. The Columbia was huge up to that point. See this website:
http://www.usmm.net/armycargo.html
Portland is listed as a "subport" for San Fran til 1944 and then Seattle after that. Just thought I'd point that out.

The website might help with other ports in the US.

Keep up the good work.

Jason

Good to quote myself, I guess. My first point still stands. The placement is INCORRECT on the map. It should be ON the Columbia River AND the Willammette, so 1 space NE. The lower branch should read Willammette as the Columbia is the branch that moves on to the Pacific Ocean.

Please, don't take anything I said as offensive or harsh. I didn't mean it as such. I am not so concerned with the port issue, but the placement is wrong. Thanks.

Jason

[Froonp]

As I can't modify the drawing of the rivers, I moved the Portland city icon so that it is at the place where the "P" of Portland is written in the screenshot.

My first point still stands. The placement is INCORRECT on the map. It should be ON the Columbia River AND the Willammette, so 1 space NE. The lower branch should read Willammette as the Columbia is the branch that moves on to the Pacific Ocean.

Isn't it ok as I placed it (where the "P" of Portland is written in the screenshot) ?

The Willammette label was put on the map too.

[Froonp]

And the first site I put up talks about Porland being a secondary port for San Fran and then Seattle. So, I don't expect anything to change, but was just pointing out that it COULD.

As I wrote in post #336, I can put the port (I'd make it a minor port), and it can work as a port, but I just need Steve feeling about it.
I for one am ok to put it.