ETA on the Patch

[Wahoo]

I seek no quarrel, may it be blatant or subtle, it is what it is. I agree with chritof139 when he states: Yes, it is a bit warped. So, don't go there, but don't make a big and stupid deal about it because there are all sorts of people of every race, nationality, and denomination in our little world that are a bit screwy. Nothing new there.
 
I thought I explained myself clearly b/f concerning the Confederacy.  Either way lets move on, no need for name calling, belittling others for there views/etc. or the like.  And agreed to the carpet baggers were bums as Andrew Johnson, wonder if Lincoln would have screwed up reconstruction? (history buffs' question. we'll never know)

[Curious]

So be it. If you have a special "gift" please use it wisely. Time to move on.

You do raise an interesting question: How would reconstruction actually have played out if Ol' Abe had been at the helm?

CB

p.s. This is a reply to Wahoo (regardless of what it says below here).

[chicago227]

Yeah, would a long occupation done the trick? I think he would have had a softer touch and the reunification would have been better.  I think the Andrew Johnson vs Congress battle did not help ease southern concerns.

[Jonathan Palfrey]

ORIGINAL: christof139
***"Wednesday, September 10: At 4 o'clock this morning the Rebel army began to move from our town, Jackson's force taking the advance. The movement continued until 8 o'clock P.M., occupying 16 hours. The most liberal calculation could not give them more than 64,000 men. Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in the number. . . . They had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc. They were supplied, in many instances, with knapsacks, haversacks, canteens, etc., and they were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederacy army. They were seen riding on horses and mules, driving wagons, riding on caissons, in ambulances, with the staff of generals and promiscuously mixed up with all the Rebel horde."

Interesting. These "Over 3,000 Negroes" were free men, presumably? Have you come across any other similar reports?

[Johnus]

Bact to the original subject of the thread. Eight weeks and counting on the patch.

[christof139]

Interesting. These "Over 3,000 Negroes" were free men, presumably? Have you come across any other similar reports?

Yes, I have quite a list of sources and exerpts, and yes some were free and more not. There was a battery of the richmond Howitzers at 1st BR that had quite a few AF-AM members, and they did fight and die.

Much has come to light over the years. many of the best info. on Black Confeds. comes from the research done by some very good AF-AM scholars.

I hope you aren't going sycophant and creating a 'you must be a biggott and support slavery type of thing' here.

Many Southern AF-Am's served in the Confed. Armed Forces, a few fought, thousands actually, and most served in support roles as teamsters, armorers, and engineers-pioneers. Estimates range up to 65,000 or so as being in the Confed. Armed Forces, and many recieved State pensions after the war and were quite proud of and loyal in their service to their homeland, the South. I do believe the Commonwealth of Virginia even gave pensions to those working in the war industry that may have not even been in the Confed. Armed Forces, and supposedly VA gave more war related pensions to Virginian AF-AM's than the USA Government did!!!!!

If you want I can post a lot of excellent info about this, including reports from Union soldiers that had to fight Black Confeds., and that was indeed an eye-opener for those Union troops, and the Press and people back home.

NB Forrest went to war with 44 or 45 of his Slaves, and when he realized the South was going to lose he freed them as he promised. During their service with Forrest these troops fought and some were part of his bodyguard/Escort. Forrest actively recruited AF-AM's into his units, and they did fight, and fight well, as many a Northen trooper has related too this.

You see, many AF-AMs considered themselves Southerners, and many Freedmen in the South before the war owned Slaves. A very complicated situation.

The US Civil War was indeed a Civil War amongst all our ethnic groups. There was also a famous AF-AM Southern Engineer that built many bridges in the South during the war and also helped build a couple of CSA Navy Yards, etc.

There is a plethora of accurate info. about all this that will give the unlearned much deeper insight into the US Civil War.

Just tell me and I can post a very large amount of info. concerning this.

Chris

[fortdick]

Back to the original message (although I do find the other discussions interesting), when can we expect the patch? I haven;t played the game in about a month because I have been waiting for the patch. Can't wait to get started again.

Any idea?

[Hard Sarge]

we still got a couple of issues we are working on, we nailed a major one last night, one or two more and it should be ready or close
 
there been a lot of work done and it is looking very nice
 
if nothing else, I would say to crank up a new game and work on some ideas or tricks to see how they work out and then be ready when it is ready

[fortdick]

thanks Sarge

[jack616]

like i wrote in another post...why?  why should i spend my time "practicing" strategy for an old version of  a game if the new version is completely uncompatible?  sorry....but thats not fun.  maybe it'd be more fun then waiting for patch for 30+ days....dunno.  heck, couldn't be less fun could it? 

sorry to sound bitter, but i am.  this has undoubtedly been one of the most frustrating experiences imaginable.  only one or two more problems to fix?  so based on the progress to date....i should have a finished copy of the game in what...another 30-60 days?  wow.  yippee.  glad y'all have my money.

[wzh55]

Ya know, I have games on my shelf that were sent out half-finished and no amount of pleading (if you could find someone

to plead to) EVER resulted in a patch, let alone listening to a bunch of whining idiots like us.

I applaud MATRIX and will continue to wait for the day when the patch with all the input received is ready to be released. So sit still and think good thoughts.

[Jonathan Palfrey]

Thanks for the interesting information. If you have more on the same subject, you might consider starting a new thread, as it's rather out of place here.

ORIGINAL: christof139
I hope you aren't going sycophant and creating a 'you must be a bigot and support slavery type of thing' here.

Who, me? Never crossed my mind. I'm just interested to find this aspect of the Civil War that isn't much talked about. Wikipedia's article on the CSA currently states merely that "The rank and file of the Confederate armed forces consisted of white males with an average age between 16 and 28. A few Black Freedmen also served in regular formations. Many thousands of slaves served as laborers, cooks, pioneers and in other non-combat roles."

[christof139]

Thanks for the interesting information. If you have more on the same subject, you might consider starting a new thread, as it's rather out of place here.

Seems someone else started this, not me.

Additionally, we can start a thread, and I have a good site with skads of documented info., also, and if someone wants to argue they can go there. I just go there to read the info. and get the sources.

Chris

[Jonathan Palfrey]

ORIGINAL: wzh55
I have games on my shelf that were sent out half-finished and no amount of pleading (if you could find someone to plead to) EVER resulted in a patch ...

I'd agree with this. Of course if would be nice if all games were delivered perfect at version 1, but they never are. As I see it, Western Civilization made an honest effort to give us a good game at version 1, and succeeded in some ways. It's now working hard to give us a better game.

Frankly, version 1 isn't what I wanted, and I'm not playing it. But I'll wait for version 2 and re-evaluate it. It is rather unusual for a company to be willing to make such substantial improvements to a game after release.

[christof139]

[quote]Who, me? Never crossed my mind. I'm just interested to find this aspect of the Civil War that isn't much talked about. Wikipedia's article on the CSA currently states merely that "The rank and file of the Confederate armed forces consisted of white males with an average age between 16 and 28. A few Black Freedmen also served in regular formations. Many thousands of slaves served as laborers, cooks, pioneers and in other non-combat roles." [quote]

Forget Wikepedia!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get real.

There is a ton of info. about this that Wikepedia and posting Wikepedians don't know about in the least bit at all.

I nor anyone else is saying the CSA Armed forces were in the main composed of AF-Am's!!! What is being said and pointed out with historical accuracy is that thousands of AF-Am's fought in the CSAAF, as well as mainly served in non-combatant roles, and without their contribution and the contribution of all the skilled and unskilled AF-AM workers that remained loyal to the South the Confederacy would not have lasted as long as it did.

Many of the AF-AM Southerners that remained loyal to the South, both military and non-military that worked in the armaments industry etc., were given pensions by the states they lived in and served. Awarding of pensions was quite prevalent in the South, seemingly more so than in the North. Most Northerners were not Abolitionists and could have cared less if the AF-Am's became free or not. Several Indian Inf. regiments mutinied when they learned that AF-Am troops were to serve in the same Army as they.

Chris

[Greyhunterlp]

Hmm, would people like to back away from each others throats? this forum seems on the slippery slide down into a TW forum. [X(]

[Curious]

Anything you say, boss.  We wouldn't want this to slide into a third world forum.
 
CB

[General Quarters]

ORIGINAL: Jonathan Palfrey

Of course if would be nice if all games were delivered perfect at version 1, but they never are. As I see it, Western Civilization made an honest effort to give us a good game at version 1, and succeeded in some ways. It's now working hard to give us a better game.

Yes, that is my attitude. After a game is released, the designers receive vastly more input than they can prior to release. So there is some efficiency in just making it as good as they see how to do, release it, and then improve it in light of feedback from a lot of players, all of whom have different likes and dislikes. So far, I like what I see of the changes.

[christof139]

Reply to those that started the sanctimonious and unkowledgeable do-do, not me.

Thank you, Chris

[bubbak]

(Jack616) sorry to sound bitter, but i am.  this has undoubtedly been one of the most frustrating experiences imaginable.  only one or two more problems to fix?  so based on the progress to date....i should have a finished copy of the game in what...another 30-60 days?  wow.  yippee.  glad y'all have my money.
 
 
I've got an idea they could send a copy of a game they are think of releasing to everybody that has purchased a game, then we could send in our feed back they could do a reworking on the game send us they reworked game and if we approve they could release it.[&:][&:][&:][&:][&:][8D]